The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

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https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal

[u/Ozymandias12 → u/[deleted]]

The Civil Rights movement of nonviolence would like a word.

[u/Defiant_Elk_9861 → u/Ozymandias12]

Civil Rights had tons of violence, that was what MLK knew would happen during the protests and he knew it would draw the attention of the nation.

Violence works both ways. MLK weaponized hatred. 

[u/Ozymandias12 → u/Defiant_Elk_9861]

The violence was perpetrated on the civil rights protestors though. Did the protesters at Selma fight back? MLK didn't weaponize it, white racists did.

[u/Defiant_Elk_9861 → u/Ozymandias12]

No you’re missing the point. 

MLK knew that the only way change was going to occur was to draw out and display the horrific affects of racism.

Yes the perpetrators of the violence are responsible for it, but MLK and the other kids doing sit-ins knew there would be violence, they trained how to remain passive and how to protect themselves from blows.

They knew this would draw the anger of the broader public.  So they used violence, just not in the sense we usually assume like a rebellion or terrorism 

[u/Ozymandias12 → u/Defiant_Elk_9861]

Right, I agree with that, you're sayng that the only reason change happened was because racists were violent and that violence against peaceful protesters turned many into allies of the civil rights cause, fine. But that was extremely unclear in your initial response, and could easily be misinterpreted by government watchdogs, so I wanted to clarify that no one in this thread is actively calling for violence.

[u/Defiant_Elk_9861 → u/Ozymandias12]

Agreed, I was thinking more of the idea of violence being a tool. 

Still, I think history shows that the biggest changes usually come through force, in the US change through democratic means, unless there are tremendous tidal shifts in our politics, seems impossible. The constitution will never be altered because having that many states agree on anything is impossible .  We’re seeing the limits of a 250+ year document under the weight of modern realities the founders couldn’t have imagined.

Hope I’m wrong. 

[u/Snowing_Throwballs → u/Ozymandias12]

This is unprecedented. These are fascists, they will deal with peaceful protest with violence. The mechanisms of democracy that allow protests to work do not functionally exist. The next step would be a massive general strike. Halt all economic activity for a prolonged period of time. Force them to the table. After that violence will probably be the only remaining option.

[u/Defiant_Elk_9861 → u/Snowing_Throwballs]

The problem is, most won’t risk anything until it happens to them and the ‘them’ in the USA would need to be very large because the country is very large.

Half of this country would not mind Trump occupying cities in blue states. I think marshal law of some sort will be declared, I highly suspect an internal terrorist act - that is, sanctioned terrorism maybe using foreign assets who maybe don’t get caught but instead it’s Putins victims who’re told they’ll be the fall-guys and maybe they do it or their families die .

I’m just spitballing 

[u/Snowing_Throwballs → u/Defiant_Elk_9861]

Yeah. Never said it would be easy. Best thing we can hope for is that all of the tariffs and trade uncertainty crash the economy and forces enough conservatives to turn on Trump. People are already hurting, and another crash may push it over the edge without relying on people to collectively stop going to work. Whatever happens, buy guns, ammunition, and foodstuffs now while you can. Start organizing community defense, especially in cities. Pretty grim scenario but here we are.

[u/DubWyse → u/Ozymandias12]

Boston Tea Party, the action itself, was also nonviolent. One guy knocked himself out by accident and more than one person got beat up for stealing the tea instead of destroying it, but the act of "domestic terrorism" itself was nonviolent in that there was no loss of life. Just saying, non-violent protest is one of the things Americans have historically done well.