The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

[u/Murky-Site7468]

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal

[u/evasive_dendrite]

That's not what the constitution says. It specifically applies to anyone who visits the country.

[u/bigdumb78910 → u/evasive_dendrite]

Moreover, if legal migrants do not have due process, then no one is guaranteed due process, because without due process, there's no way you can assert that you are or aren't a citizen.

[u/Hondros → u/bigdumb78910]

And to that they all say "well don't break the law". Like what do we do when this country is hell bent on destroying itself

[u/whoopashigitt → u/Hondros]

And political speech isn’t breaking the law. The goal posts are always moved with no logic at all. 

[u/whoopashigitt → u/bigdumb78910]

They will assert you are or aren’t a citizen only on the basis of skin color or maybe if you aren’t speaking ‘like an American’

[u/[deleted] → u/bigdumb78910]

Except this IS due process since ICE was founded

[u/Hondros → u/evasive_dendrite]

I don't disagree with you, at all. What I'm saying is that conservatives don't give a shit.

[u/RelaxPrime → u/evasive_dendrite]

The constitution doesn't say anything about this. Thats the problem. Its all hinging on supreme court interpretations and rulings from the early 1900s. Just like Roe v Wade, this conservative packed SCOTUS will be willing to interpret the constitution differently.

[u/evasive_dendrite → u/RelaxPrime]

Might as well just rip the constitution apart at this point. None of what it says matters.

[u/Abedeus → u/evasive_dendrite]

It's the same way for EVERY NORMAL COUNTRY. You enter the country, you are subject to its laws, regulations, and privileges as well. I can't think of a first world democratic country where only some people get all the rights, and others get only SOME of them.

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/evasive_dendrite]

But that's not what the laws say. And there's a cute workaround that makes it constitutional: deportation is not a punishment for a crime and therefore it needs no due process or criminal conviction.

[u/evasive_dendrite → u/CherryLongjump1989]

That notion is insane when you know they'll end up in an inhumane slave labor prison.

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/evasive_dendrite]

The laws don't account for that and as far as I can tell neither does the constitution.

[u/evasive_dendrite → u/CherryLongjump1989]

That makes it no less evil and it makes the US look no less like a banana republic.

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/evasive_dendrite]

We are a banana republic with a bunch of monkeys running the show.

I just want to point out, not in a celebratory way, that the citizen counterparts of the demographics that this is happening to: voted for Trump, voted for Jill Stein, or sat out the election.

We're getting exactly what the populace asked for. I held my nose and voted for Harris even though my own best interest would have been better served by a Bernie or an AOC. But I voted for Harris to protect all of these rubes, who themselves felt that she was conducting a genocide in Gaza or ruining the economy or whatever. Now all I can really say is, well, I told you so. Don't look at me, this shit isn't my fault.

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Nope, supreme court has repeatedly ruled you can deport for harmful views, including terrorism

[u/evasive_dendrite → u/[deleted]]

The first amendment does have it's limits.

But point me to the SCOTUS ruling that allows you to deport people without a chance to defend themselves in court in direct violation of a court order.

Trump is destroying civil rights and it can not be excused.

[u/[deleted] → u/evasive_dendrite]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/24/briefing/immigration-trump-constitution.html

[u/evasive_dendrite → u/[deleted]]

This literally says that Trump abuses the law.