r/politics • u/Silent-Resort-3076 America • 1d ago

Soft Paywall Obama and Harris publicly rebuke Trump’s second term actions

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/04/politics/obama-harris-rebuke-trump/index.html
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u/Just_Side8704 1d ago

As she should.

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u/Anti_shill_cannon 1d ago

I would just like to go ahead and thank all the "both sides exactly the same" protest non-voters

Great job guys

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u/creamweather 1d ago

Who could have seen this coming!?

Insert appropriate quote from 50 or more years ago that describes this exact situation happening.

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u/TheCovfefeMug 1d ago

I’m not saying she should, but if she runs again in 2028, “I told you so” is a hell of a campaign slogan

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u/OmegaKitty1 1d ago

Shame she ran such a bad campaign, ontop of Biden fucking things up hard.

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u/Just_Side8704 1d ago

She had a great campaign. There was nothing wrong with the campaign. The difference between her and Trump was very clear. Americans failed.

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u/juiceboxheero 1d ago

I voted for her and I think she ran a shit campaign. The core of it was 'Im not Trump' with no notable policy to get excited for (think 'Obamacare') Throw in some inability to denounce Israeli genocide and doubling down on milquetoast neoliberalism, and here we are.

Fuck the protest voters, but I refuse to let the Dems rewrite the history of this MASSIVE bungle.

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u/UnquestionabIe 1d ago

I'm in full agreement here. I voted for her the same reason most did, damage control. I understood she was the same kind of neo-lib shill the Democrats have forced on us since it first worked in the early 90s. That they spent so much time pursing the mythical "undecided voter" and paraded around with GOP members who didn't bend the knee showed exactly what she was.

And they're not going to learn from this at all. The DNC would rather a hundred years of Trump rule than risk having anyone remotely progressive represent the party. They're going to move further right as a result and think it will suddenly appeal to the politically ignorant GOP voters.

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u/Mynuszero 1d ago

She didn't parade around with the GOP. She did a couple of campaign rallies with Liz Cheney because she sacrificed her career to vote to impeach Trump.

I also find it funny how the same people that continuously bring this up had exactly zero problem with Bernie going into conservative spaces. Funny that.

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u/WilliamPoole 1d ago

I was excited for a lot of her policy positions. Including "not Trump."

Her economic positions, "not Trump" , tax positions, helping first time home buyers, "not Trump," foreign policy and NATO positions, the fact that she wasn't Trump, liberal judge appointments and the fact that she wasn't Trump.

That's off the top of my head. But it was all good. Especially not being Trump. That was literally the most important position.

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u/juiceboxheero 1d ago

Great position, I agree, but it's a shit campaign strategy. It only seems to work when he's in office

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u/WilliamPoole 1d ago

Yeah youd think The electorate had a memory better than a goldfish.

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u/Mynuszero 1d ago

This is a demonstrably false lie about her campaign. If she wasn't on a podcast or in an interview talking about her policies, she was at a record-breaking rally talking about her policies. She laid out her policies at the debates. She talked about 6k for newborns, 25k for first time home buyers, 50k for new small businesses. I don't know why y'all come on here to lie like this.

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u/juiceboxheero 1d ago

My heart genuinely sank during the first debate. It was word salad with some decent sounding policies peppered in. She 'won' because Trump was that much worse, but again 'Not Trump's seemed to be the foundation of the campaign.

Regardless, you can't seriously think that a first time housing credit is analogous to the political momentum Medicare-for-all had. I saw that and thought oh good, housing prices will go up 25k, hoo fucking ray.

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u/Mynuszero 1d ago

You didn't watch that debate. That "word salad" accusation is a giveaway. Your need to lie about her to make yourself seem righteous is apparent. The debate is still up! Her interviews, streams, and podcasts are still up! You can't lie about reality.

First time housing credit is transformative to people that were historically locked out of home ownership. I know that your privileged view prevents you from seeing that. M4A never had political momentum. Again, lying about reality. Got any proof that housing prices will go up?

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u/juiceboxheero 1d ago

Why you trying to gaslight me? I watched the debate, you don't get to dictate my opinion.

I'm barreling towards 40 and have yet to own a home, seems like I should have been the prime audience to get excited, but here I am.

Since you asked credits appear to drive up the cost of housing, but not to the full extent to the credit. So a benefit, yes, but not a real exciting campaign pillar. You will recall I voted for Harris, right?

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u/Mynuszero 1d ago

I don't get to dictate your opinion, but your opinion doesn't dictate reality. The reality is you're lying. We can watch the debate right now! People have been posting clips from the debate all over to show that she warned us about Trump. There's no "word salad" there.

Your "excitement" or lack of doesn't diminish the policy or the people that it would help. Why you're not excited is your own personal cross to bear.

So they said that it "may" increase housing costs, but nowhere does it say that it will rise by 25k, as you have walked back yourself. I'm sure that this theory is also based on current housing supply, which is a fair assessment. You should also recall that in the debate that you claimed to have watched that she proposed a policy to build more housing, which should help alleviate some cost raises. Yes, I'm glad that you agreed that it's a benefit, but just because it's not "exciting" to you does not mean it sucks. Yes, you claimed to have voted for her, I'll just have to take your word for it.

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u/juiceboxheero 1d ago

Blame the voter, not the campaign, and triple down on 'safe' neoliberalism in 2028. I'm sure it'll go great.

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u/JayKay8787 1d ago

Her campaign was the same shit Hillary tried and failed. She sought out republican voters with Liz cheney instead of using Tim walz to reach younger voters. She stuck to TV interviews and avoided open platforms like podcasts where people under the age of 50 actually pay attention to. The Trump campaign went after that voter base hard, and it massively paid off. As a Midwesterner in my 20s, almost all my peers either voted Trump or stayed home, because Kamala actively avoided trying to reach them. She had momentum early on because she was the first candidate in a decade to not be senile, and the whole weird thing was working incredibly, yet they tossed that away immediately. She took every wrong step and just stuck with the failing tactic of saying "orange man bad" and thinking Republicans didn't want Trump.

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u/Just_Side8704 1d ago

Hillary was the better option in 2016. Americans failed then too. Her campaign was better than his. Americans chose hate. The far left can thank themselves for what they are about to experience.

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u/JayKay8787 1d ago

fuck that, she did everything she could to ensure trump was the rnc nominee and ran a god awful tone deaf campagin that lead us into the belly of the beast. If you want leftists to vote for your candidate, consider appealing to them rather than going after the republican vote and acting all huffy puffy when that doesnt work

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u/Just_Side8704 17h ago

The far left is why Trump won. The only thing the far left has ever accomplished in the US, is getting Republicans elected. She was the better option. Raging at her just makes you look silly. You can enjoy everything Trump does with the knowledge that you have to make it happen. You earned this.

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u/JayKay8787 16h ago

I don't know how many times democrats need to hear this:

you do not deserve votes. You have to earn them. They aren't a consultation prize for not being a republican, you have to reach out to your base and do everything you can to get them. Going on talk shows that no one under 59 watches with Liz cheney isn't earning the lefts vote. Going after republican voters isn't earning theirs, because Trump already has that secured. The left only has a few people in congress rn that actually represent their values, the democratic party keeps shoving them away, so they don't vote. It's cause and effect

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u/Just_Side8704 12h ago

Good luck with that. It will get you just as far as it already has. For the foreseeable future, it will either be a Republican or a Democrat.

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u/JayKay8787 12h ago

no it wont, it will be republican and diet republican

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u/ChocolateHoneycomb 1d ago

She should have opposed genocide. She didn't. That was a critical error. Her nomination speech made it sound like Israel was the victim when their response to Hamas was immensely over the top and extreme.

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u/Zombie_Fuel Florida 1d ago

And so, of course, the only acceptable alternative is the dude that promised to fast-track genocide.

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u/Just_Side8704 1d ago

Bullshit. She was the only candidate to demand a ceasefire and a two state solution. Enjoy what Trump does. The never Harris dolts, made it possible.

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u/OmegaKitty1 1d ago

She was head of the Democratic Party. Her platform and website under “who we serve” does not have a section for white people. Nor does it have a “men” section, yet it has a female section.

She focused more on trans issues than male issues. Frankly the Democratic Party is outright hostile towards white males, blaming them for so many things. Whites and males in general are simply ignored by the Democratic platform.

Ignoring and often being hostile towards such a huge voting block is the opposite of running a great campaign. Harris and the democrats basically handed over the male population to the republicans who atleast address them, acknowledge they exist, have problems and speak to those problems they have.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

This sounds like something a scared, insecure, and paranoid white male would say. One who hasn’t realized it’s not all about you and it never was. White males, like myself, just need to get over it. Let everybody have their chance to be the asshole.

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u/OmegaKitty1 1d ago

Until the democrats stop ignoring white males/males in general and often being outright hostile towards them then the republicans will continue to have a good chance to win elections.

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u/bootlegvader 1d ago

White males haven't voted majority for Democrats since 1964. It is hardly a Harris thing.

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u/RSFGman22 Michigan 1d ago

I'm a male in my 20s, you can fuck right off with that argument. Every one I've ever met with the "males issues" argument are the most insufferable assholes I've ever met. Bad politics for sure, but those dickheads deserve to be sad and lonely. And as long as they vote republican they'll be sad and lonely poor people as well

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u/meganium-menagerie Kansas 1d ago

She absolutely ran a bad campaign, but for none of the reasons you're describing.

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u/Unoriginal- 1d ago

She should fade into obscurity after wasting so much donation money at least Obama won his Presidency

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u/Just_Side8704 1d ago

She offered Americans a clearly better option. That was her only job. It is the American voters who determine who wins. Americans failed. By your logic, Trump won ran a great campaign. So spewing hate and telling lies is the right way? Nope. Americans failed.

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u/axebodyspraytester 1d ago

You clearly forgot talking about his buddy Arnold Palmer and his massive dong and his smooth softball sized nuts. He won the election just talking about his buddies dick. Now that's a campaign.