r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Uncertain_Ty 1d ago

it is unless you're a donor state

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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

No. People are stronger together. Isolationism is a trap.

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u/BoxOfDust 1d ago

When half of the country wants to move towards isolationism anyways, then what's the actual choice here? Stick together as a whole country in isolation? Or try to reach back out to the global world?

I don't disagree that an actually fractured America is a bad thing, but asking how independent the states should act at this point are very valid questions to ask at this point. Finding the point in the spectrum of staying whole as a country, but individual states form international trade agreements, seems thus far a moderately acceptable choice.

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u/zzazzzz 1d ago

by going solo on trade you invite the feds to come and take over. or doyou really think they will just let that happen? do you really think trump will accept getting spat in the face? this is playing with an armed land mine. and there will be no winner only more losers.

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u/BoxOfDust 1d ago

Trying to carve a path out of historically proven economic trouble, vs just sitting down and accepting the loss? States governments have their own responsibilities to protect the interests of their own constituents as well, don't they?

Yeah, I'd take the gamble.

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u/zzazzzz 1d ago

its not a gamble, its putting yourself against the wall and telling trump to shoot.

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u/BoxOfDust 1d ago

Which he's already done with the tariffs anyways.

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u/zzazzzz 1d ago

at least you still have your state govt being able to write state laws and policy. if you go thru with this the fed will take over and install whoever they want to lead ca. and how do you think they will shape policy?

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u/Malaix 1d ago

Red state voters are like people bitten by zombies. In which conditions it is not actually beneficial to have them in your camp.

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u/kittenTakeover 1d ago

I completely disagree. Embracing isolation is embracing a world of conflict. You'll note that historically ages of conflict are never considered golden ages. The sooner that people can find their way back to unification the better for everyone. The key is to not abandon diplomacy. Work through the issues by outreach and engagement rather than retreating to to individualism.

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u/Malaix 1d ago

Only way I’d completely accept being bound to the south is if they agree to fulfill reconstruction and surrender their congressional seats until it’s complete. They can’t handle such responsibilities in their current form.

I assume that’s unacceptable to them so dissolution is the middle ground between me and them at this point. I’m not isolationist. I’m the opposite. I’m eager to reach out to sane countries and build relationships to accomplish common goals for the greater good of humanity.

I just think red state voters are suicidally stupid and I’m tired of losing rights and money because I’m expected to be the electoral jailers for people who want me dead.

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u/Drain01 1d ago

Half of the country actively thinks of me as the enemy. I already am trapped, balkanization may be the key to find safety.

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u/Nihilistic_Mystics California 1d ago

Right now we have an orange anchor tied to us and we're drowning. In staying as we are, I see no other outcome than economic destruction. So our options are to do nothing and wait for our inevitable destruction or try to do something about it. I'm not going to give up and die as you propose. Leaving is our only chance at saving some people.

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u/Summer_Chronicle8184 1d ago

We're doing isolationism right fucking now

I can guarantee an independent west coast is a more outward looking and international place than the US as a whole - not even considering the fact that we wouldn't install insane tariffs

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u/rolfraikou 19h ago

People can't be together. One small group is in charge of everything.

The laws/courts, the military, the politicians have let them take control of the whole thing.