r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/wankbollox 1d ago

If Texas can ignore the federal government and make its own immigration policy, then I guess California can make its own trade policy. Seems fair. 

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u/TinFoilBeanieTech 1d ago

States setting their own trade agreements is totally unconstitutional, but we haven't been following that for a while now anyway. I'm hoping the whole west coast can form it's own trade coalition.

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u/jesuisapprenant 1d ago

Tariff powers don’t belong to the executive branch, the executive branch cannot defund programs unilaterally without Congressional approval, felons cannot run for office, the list goes on. 

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u/TinFoilBeanieTech 1d ago

At least SCOTUS has been consistent in deciding what is constitutional: it's whatever Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation want it to be at the moment.

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u/UpperApe 1d ago

I was wondering how long into the Trump presidency until states start considering seceding the union.

I did not have early April on my bingo card.

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u/rataculera 1d ago

I have been saying for years that Trump is going to cause the west coast to form their own state. Eastern oregons movement to join Idaho is a kick starter

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u/TinFoilBeanieTech 1d ago

Wait until they find out how dependent Idaho is on the blue states.

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u/sn34kypete 1d ago

Pan handle Idahoans are already reliant on eastern WA for medical care. They flooded Spokane's hospital during covid and now that their hospitals are losing OBGYN and delivery teams, people are having to drive for hours to get proper medical care just to have a kid safely.

Of course when confronted with this, they're very proud of how smart they are for finding a solution for themselves, not a moment's introspection on how they got into this mess.

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u/Repulsive-Row803 1d ago

I work at a hospital in Spokane. It's incredibly frustrating. We would never want to deny care based on ethics alone, but it's hard to listen to people shit on where you live while also taking advantage of the resources you provide that they vote against.

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u/TehMephs 1d ago

While also rejecting the advice of those same doctors, denying they have a disease that’s very obviously the disease they have, and then thanking GOD for getting them through it so they can go back home and fantasize about murdering all those “corrupt liberal doctors” that saved them

Why don’t we deport these loonies instead? They refuse to live in the same reality as everyone else

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u/ostligelaonomaden 18h ago

What's their skin color? There's your answer

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u/QueenCity_Dukes 23h ago

The hypocrisy is the thing. They want services for themselves but not for anyone else.

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u/Sunbunny94 1d ago

Sounds like the typical rude American traveler.

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u/daaave33 Virginia 1d ago

Can we come too?

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u/little__wisp I voted 11h ago

We would be better off forming our own bloc with Maryland and Delaware. California wouldn't be able to enforce borders on the other side of the continent.

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u/glenn_ganges 1d ago

This is exactly what conservatives want. People don’t get this. They want governments to fail so we can return to a kind of feudalistic society where corporations have control.

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u/Emilia_Violet 1d ago

People do get it, it just doesn’t matter. Certain members of the regime may want states to break apart so they can try to take control, but that doesn’t mean they actually get control. If the west coast broke off to ally with the rest of the sane world, I don’t think that puts the ones causing problems in a good position to seize control.

I’m not advocating for or against secession, but rather making the point that people are aware of what you’re saying, they just may not agree that the outcome will be the bad one.

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u/Ptricky17 1d ago

I am also not convinced that a secession plan would be the worst thing for North America.

It’s clear that there is a deep divide in America, and honestly the roots of it go back hundreds of years. Half the country wants to be a religious (Christian) state with a return to segregation and 1950’s equivalent gender roles. The other half wants to live in the 21st century with an advanced, technology and service based economy, a tolerant multicultural society, and strong education.

Rather than continuing to fight with each other over the disagreement, it kind of makes sense to just split up so both sides can be happy. Of course, I predict that “Red America” will quickly become jealous when they realize they are poorer than “Blue America”, and that will only get worse the more they shun education in favour of religion, but hey “thoughts and prayers” right?

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u/Dogllissikay 1d ago

Cities are blue in pretty much every state, so dividing states would leave a whole lot of “Blue America” trapped.

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u/Catgeek08 1d ago

As a person that lives in Boise, one of the many reasons I want to move is this. I don’t want to be trapped here when Oregon is tired of Idaho’s fuckups.

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u/rgaya 1d ago

I'm sitting here in Miami thinking fuck that shit

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u/Syntaire 23h ago

It is what they want, yes. It will not go how they dream it will. Reality is not a fantasy novel or video game where you can just say "I claim this land in the name of Dipshittia" and suddenly become a fully functional city-state accepted and respected by the world at large.

Their entire fantasy plan is fundamentally flawed in just about every possible aspect. They will probably get as far as dismantling the US, but that's where they'll slam face first into reality.

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u/Infinite-Speaker286 1d ago

The Northeast and West Coast, along with Canada, can surround the other states, and push them all into Florida

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u/BikingThroughCanada 1d ago

And then we get Bugs Bunny to handle the rest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTa7OHEpyns

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u/thequeenzenobia 1d ago

Well, but the eastern Oregon thing wasn’t trump related. They’re super conservative and want to be connected to red Idaho instead of Oregon

Edit: and have been trying to join for years and years

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u/absentmindedjwc 1d ago

Cries in Illinois.

I would love it if we were to join the NCR, but there are too many dumb states between here and there. Maybe Michigan, Wisconsin, and Illinois can all just join Canada. (assuming they'll have us)

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u/AlarmingAffect0 1d ago

Pah, I suspect the Western Oregonians are just fine with all the racism at least.