California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

[u/sweatycat]

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414

[u/MIT_Engineer]

Right, you're saying we all have to follow the "law" that isn't a law and didn't go through the proper channels to be law.

No, what I've repeatedly said is the law isn't even something you "follow" in this case. It's something that happens with you as a bystander in this instance. If as a bystander you ignore it, then the law doesn't mind. It doesn't need your participation.

We're not ignoring a law.

To quote you:

Is it really breaking the law to ignore a brand new unconstitutional law?

See where there might be some confusion as to whatever it is you're trying to say?

It's not a law.

OK, sure, whatever you say. Let's call it a 'government action.' But whatever it is, a state like California is a bystander to it.

There are steps you have to go through to make something law, that haven't happened here.

That's nice, and something you can bring up in court, but it doesn't expand California's options here any.

What has happened is a president attempting to wield power he doesn't have

And you can take that up with the courts.

and you're saying we have to abide by the power he doesn't have.

The legal power you can contest in courts. The actual power is hard to get around, and he definitely has it. They collect the tariffs directly, they don't need compliance from the California state government.

EOs don't create law.

Neither does Newsom. So not only does he lack the actual power to stop the collection of federal tariffs, he lacks the legal authority as well. 0 for 2.

EDIT: He blocked me, so here's the response.

You say that Newsom lacks the power and legal authority to stop the collection of these tariffs, while glossing over that Trump lacks the power and legal authority to start the collection of these tariffs.

No, I didn't gloss over this at all. What I did was explain in detail how he absolutely has the power, and if you want to contest the legal authority you'd need to do so in a court of law. The idea that you're going to stop the collection of tariffs by federal agents is a non-starter on practical grounds.

You are literally saying that if Trump does anything, even if he didn't go through any of the proper channels to do it, everyone has to act like he did go through all the proper channels.

I said nothing at all like this, it's entirely a figment of your overactive imagination.

The courts will be involved. That doesn't mean everyone going to act like Trump actually had the authority to implement these tariffs until the slow court process occurs.

Right, but they ARE going to have to accept that he has the power to do so, despite your raving insistence that he somehow doesn't.

You keep conflating legal authority with the ability to exercise power, and it's completely disabled your ability to think or even comprehend what you are being told.

[u/Zakaru99 → u/MIT_Engineer]

You're right that I shouldn't have said we were ignoring an unconstitutional law, because it's not a law. It's the president trying to wield power that he doesn't have.

You say that Newsom lacks the power and legal authority to stop the collection of these tariffs, while glossing over that Trump lacks the power and legal authority to start the collection of these tariffs.

You are literally saying that if Trump does anything, even if he didn't go through any of the proper channels to do it, everyone has to act like he did go through all the proper channels. That Trump gets to unconstitutionally wield power that he doesn't have, and everyone has to let him, until the slow court process weighs in.

The courts will be involved. That doesn't mean everyone going to act like Trump actually had the authority to implement these tariffs until the slow court process occurs.