Judge gives US 3 days to bring mistakenly deported Maryland man home

[u/HeHateMe337]

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/judge-orders-us-to-bring-mistakenly-deported-maryland-man-home/3883968/

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[u/Clewles]

Ah. Checks and balances. Remember those?

[u/Eric1230321 → u/Clewles]

What can judge do if ICE wont bring him back home?

[u/m1j2p3 → u/Eric1230321]

He can and should jail DHS/ICE officials for contempt of court.

[u/we_are_sex_bobomb → u/m1j2p3]

In a just world they should be charged with kidnapping and human trafficking.

[u/guttanzer → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

That might be what he will do. There need to be consequences.

[u/MoodooScavenger → u/guttanzer]

Exactly this. It seems ICE have too much power in their hands and enjoying their ride of the self governing power.

[u/Small_Disk_6082 → u/MoodooScavenger]

Seriously impactful consequences need to take place here. Idk that much will be done, but I'm as hopeful as I can be these days.

[u/elconquistador1985 → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

Everyone involved all the way to the top should face those exact charges.

Make the grunts involved face consequences for the illegal orders they followed.

[u/moonandstarryeyes → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

It is literally this, since the Salvadoran president said they're getting paid for holding them.

They all need to be brought back, from what I read every flight was in violation of a court order.

[u/Minguseyes → u/m1j2p3]

He can issue a warrant or make an order, but the Court relies on the Executive branch to enforce warrants and orders. Usually the Executive branch complies with declarations or orders that affect it, because if they don't then it is a Constitutional Crisis and the voters will vote against the party in power. But the system is broken, and the voters don't care.

[u/Key-Leader8955 → u/Minguseyes]

Somewhat. The court can appoint people to enforce the will of the court.

[u/cellardweller1234 → u/Key-Leader8955]

I like the sound of that. Go on…

[u/Wenuwayker → u/cellardweller1234]

Gonna posse like it's 1899

[u/BrandonUnusual → u/Wenuwayker]

We’ve been spendin’ most our lives Livin’ in a fascist paradise. Bein’ disappeared by ICE Livin’ in a fascist paradise.

[u/SlumdogSkillionaire → u/Wenuwayker]

"What is the appeal of the posse?"

"The posse has tremendous appeal. Get away. from the job, camp out, you're with your friends... Come on, it's a. week-long game of hide-and-seek on horseback."

[u/curiousleen → u/Wenuwayker]

If only Prince were here, in western gear.

[u/DarthVerus → u/curiousleen]

And by western gear we mean assless chaps

[u/Miguel-odon → u/DarthVerus]

If they aren't assless, they're just pants.

[u/davy_jones_locket → u/cellardweller1234]

Usually US Marshalls Marshals is the arm of the Court. 

If DOJ directs US Marshalls Marshals to not enforce it, you can hope for a rogue marshall marshal. 

Or the court can deputize Marshalls marshals into service. 

Or the court can appoint special enforcement. 

[u/Extension_Silver_713 → u/davy_jones_locket]

Or just go ahead and arrest trumps mouthpiece and send her there since she went on to claim the judge would have to make those demands on the president of El Salvador and she didn’t think he could do that. Once her ass is sent there, tell the administration the same thing.

[u/shrekerecker97 → u/Extension_Silver_713]

Well homeland security managed to tour the prison and make a propaganda video so we know they can get there and bring them back. Send her there with explicit instructions that she cannot come back to the US without the person, otherwise she is in contempt and will sit in jail.

[u/Extension_Silver_713 → u/shrekerecker97]

Not THE person. All of them. They refused to give a list of names of people in those planes which means they knew and still know damn well there are people that shouldn’t have been on them

[u/Bigkillian → u/davy_jones_locket]

“I didn’t kill my wife”

“I don’t care”

[u/wilma_dikfit2416 → u/davy_jones_locket]

So basically we have to depend on cops to get an innocent man out of prison.

He's fucked

[u/TheBabyEatingDingo → u/wilma_dikfit2416]

No. The court is empowered to appoint literally anyone they want. Marshals, mercenaries, any willing random on the street, etc. It has never happened before because we've never had a constitutional crisis like this before, but the law allows for it in this situation. It will be interesting to see what the court does.

[u/ZubLor → u/TheBabyEatingDingo]

Where's the Transporter when you need him?

[u/KGBFriedChicken02 → u/wilma_dikfit2416]

That depends on how far the Judge is willing to take this. Theoretically, they could deputize anyone they want to enforce the will of the court if the proper authorities won't do their job. On paper at least, that could mean you or me or anyone else willing to stand up and put themselves on the line for this.

[u/captain_intenso → u/davy_jones_locket]

Minor gripe, but it's Marshals

[u/davy_jones_locket → u/captain_intenso]

Noted

[u/UThinkIShouldLeave → u/cellardweller1234]

Yes, where can we sign up?

[u/GhostofMarat → u/Key-Leader8955]

Oh so we can have an armed standoff and possible shootout between law enforcement officers representing different agencies.

[u/Key-Leader8955 → u/GhostofMarat]

Yes we could. Between federal and state as well.

[u/PlutosGrasp → u/Key-Leader8955]

Do you guys want to deputize some Canadians to help?

[u/Key-Leader8955 → u/PlutosGrasp]

To be honest. Yes that would be awesome. Can you guys accept some new territories

[u/PlutosGrasp → u/Key-Leader8955]

Not looking for new provinces right now. Too risky to introduce MAGA people to our federal elections.

[u/GhostofMarat → u/Key-Leader8955]

Given how things have been going I'm sure we'll get the worst possible scenario.

[u/pegasuspaladin → u/Key-Leader8955]

Until ICE picks them up and sends them to Dachau El Salvador because they claimed they were illegals and didn't let them prove otherwise

[u/Extension_Silver_713 → u/pegasuspaladin]

We have no clue how many Americans might have been on those planes

[u/Rough_Instruction112 → u/Extension_Silver_713]

Homeless americans would be really easy targets. Who would notice their disappearance?

And when it gets normal for people to get GitMo'd?

Maybe young women will get disappeared and they are nowhere to be found in El Salvador because they're become sisterwives somewhere in Utah.

Maybe you better pray you're not found to be a perfect match for some rich billionaire's failing organ.

[u/Extension_Silver_713 → u/Rough_Instruction112]

Right?? Because that’s exactly what we’re seeing and how many judges have already done their bidding?

Now they’re overturning elections for state Supreme Court judges because a dem gets in instead of one of their salad tossers? They want new laws and the constitution amended. The rules for republicans are always different.

[u/40StoryMech → u/Extension_Silver_713]

That's a feature. Shit's getting real.

[u/Extension_Silver_713 → u/40StoryMech]

This is why someone should start rounding up those in his administration.

[u/pegasuspaladin → u/Extension_Silver_713]

This is why I want dems to stop saying due process and habeas corpus. You think the triple trumpers who couldn't pass a 5th grade civics test knows what that means. They need to be saying "if even one person isn't given the chance to prove they are allowed to be here it could happen to you too."

This is WHY due process matters and why it applies to everyone.

[u/Jimbomcdeans → u/Minguseyes]

The US marshals are usually the enforcement branch but the courts can appoint whoever they like to do the job regardless of exec. It's just never happend before.

[u/m1j2p3 → u/Jimbomcdeans]

A lot of things that never happened before are happening lately.

[u/RamsHead91 → u/Minguseyes]

Technically the court can deputize individuals to carry out it's orders if the US marshals don't comply.

[u/FeelingKind7644 → u/Minguseyes]

Yeah the constitution and law are no longer a concern for the current administration.

[u/thermalman2 → u/Minguseyes]

Can also find civil contempt and start charging people $$ for not complying. This is much more likely to work than arresting/jailing them for contempt. It’s not going to require as much cooperation from the executive.

[u/Illustrious_Entry413 → u/Minguseyes]

If I'm not mistaken the court can deputize whatever body they want and issue the order to this deputy.

[u/Brisby820 → u/Minguseyes]

Don’t write it off yet.  We’re not at that point until he tries to ignore the Supreme Court 

[u/itsa_luigi_time_ → u/m1j2p3]

But, in reality, he will just keep giving them more time until everyone forgets about this or the guy dies.

[u/Yamza_ → u/itsa_luigi_time_]

Assuming he is still alive to be died.

[u/applewait → u/m1j2p3]

Other than the attorney (?) the people that could be held in contempt won’t show up in court and (especially) any ICE agents will just disappear

[u/kyngston → u/applewait]

they will be held in contempt, eventually handed a fine and jail sentence. trump will then pardon.

[u/jcomey → u/m1j2p3]

She, in this case.

[u/CappinPeanut → u/Eric1230321]

He can issue warrants for the U.S. Marshals to arrest ICE. Then lies the question if Trump will order the Marshals to stand down. Then we get to the conflict of the Marshals listening to their boss or upholding their oath.

[u/PlutosGrasp → u/CappinPeanut]

Oath breakers should face stiff consequences when in positions of power.

[u/nrfx → u/Eric1230321]

ICE: [after they've been given a demerit] Like, what does a demerit mean?
Judge: Let's put it this way. You do not want to receive three of those.
ICE: Lay it on me.
Judge: Three demerits, and you'll receive a citation.
ICE: Now, that sounds serious.
Judge: Oh, it is serious. Five citations, and you're looking at a violation. Four of those, and you'll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you're looking at a written warning. Two of those, that will land you in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior.

[u/kyngston → u/nrfx]

…after the disciplinary review, you will be handed a pardon, hailed as a hero by trump, and offered a spot on fox news

[u/IAmInTheBasement → u/nrfx]

Assistant to the district court?

[u/EntireFishing → u/IAmInTheBasement]

Assistant district court

[u/Eteel → u/nrfx]

Seems like retail workers are held to higher standards where 4 points get them fired.

[u/beemindme → u/Eteel]

Retail workers are held to a higher standard than the president.

[u/whatshamilton → u/nrfx]

How many Stanley nickels to a citation?

[u/Stringcheese_uwu → u/Eric1230321]

I hope they can start ordering police to round them up like they’ve been rounding immigrants up 🙆🏻‍♀️

[u/Lou_C_Fer → u/Eric1230321]

Contempt of court.

[u/GrandmaPoses → u/Eric1230321]

Nothing! Nothing will happen. No one will face any actual consequences.

[u/Few-Professional-859]

US Government under Trump administration is paying El Salvador to ‘host’ these inmates. Some of these people are not even El Salvador citizens. It’s mind boggling on so many levels that after deporting these people to a foreign country prison despite of the court’s ruling, now they are telling the Judge that they have no control over it to bring him back! Like what on earth? Do they take these judges and Americans in general for idiots? Is El Salvador doing this for fun? No, you are paying that poor country to run a prison AirBnB for you. You have no control but Kristi Noem goes to this prison and gets a nice photo op with the same prisoners? Suuure! https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/donald-trump-kristi-noem-abu-ghraib-el-salvador-1235308041/

[u/10yearsisenough → u/Few-Professional-859]

Agree but instead of Airbnb I'll just call it a concentration camp. Gulag. Torture center.

[u/Old-Rhubarb-97 → u/10yearsisenough]

Maybe they don't want to bring him back because he will tell people what it is like there.

[u/MarcoEsquandolas22 → u/Old-Rhubarb-97]

They don't want to bring him back because they want everyone else to be absolutely terrified about being sent there.

[u/eudiadochokinesia → u/MarcoEsquandolas22]

Right. They specifically sent the dog murderer lady there to tell us "what it is like there." The maltreatment of prisoners is the point.

[u/FallOutShelterBoy → u/MarcoEsquandolas22]

What we need is a judge ruling that the act of sending anyone to this prison, illegal immigrant or especially not, is cruel and unusual punishment in and of itself. I don’t think the administration would follow that order, but we’re at the point where that line in the sand needs to be drawn

[u/SnarkOff → u/Old-Rhubarb-97]

My first thought. They don’t want anyone in the USA to know how much it’s exactly like a concentration camp.

The other reason might also be because it’s exactly like a concentration camp.

[u/2pinacoladas → u/Old-Rhubarb-97]

Or he is dead so really challenging to bring him back and they don't want that news out.

[u/totallydawgsome → u/2pinacoladas]

Xinis found Abrego Garcia had a lawful order to remain in the U.S. that specifically said if the government were to ever remove him from the U.S., he should not be sent to El Salvador.

This is why he is dead. Originally from El Salvador, he was being threatened and recruited by the Barrios 18 gang. His family's lives were also threatened, his parents business was to pay "rent" to the Barrios where this all started. His family sent his older brother to the US. Shortly after they sent Garcia. Garcia likely tries to defend his family and didn't accept being recruited likely to take care of his own family, gang shit really gruesome shit. Whatever it was a judge granted Garcia a stay in the US. He was picked up by ICE because he was wearing a Chicago Bulls gear and claimed to be involved with a gang (false). So ICE had him on his radar. Now when it's "normal" to send gang members to El Salvador he gets picked up again. A judge looked at his case and marked him "free". ICE claimed an administrative error and sent him. They sent him to a prison notorious for housing Barrios 18. There is no way this man is alive.

[u/beemindme → u/2pinacoladas]

I think so too. People find out it's not just similar to Hitlers Germany, it's concentration camps are operating the same way? There are things worse than death.

[u/Glass_Communication4 → u/Old-Rhubarb-97]

That's exactly why they won't bring him back. Not to mention the number of American citizens that were "accidentally" deported

[u/PropofolMargarita → u/Glass_Communication4]

It's chilling that the US was so sloppy that they threw a bunch of women on the deportation flight as well and it took El Salvador to say "um, yeah this is too much."

[u/pyuunpls → u/10yearsisenough]

It’s an outsourced concentration camp. He’s even taking away American jobs /s

[u/Coherent_Tangent → u/Few-Professional-859]

This guy was an El Salvadorian citizen, which makes it even worse. He was seeking asylum here, and he was not supposed to be returned for his own safety.

[u/3MATX → u/Coherent_Tangent]

From what I’ve read, every single person who is being considered for deportation has a paper sheet explaining who they are and what they’ve supposedly done along with other important information. On this guys form, it explicitly stated that his only condition for deportation is he could not go to El Salvador. Multiple humans like you and I  saw this, ignored it, and put him on that plane knowing damn well it was going to El Salvador. 

This goes beyond an administration at fault. Each individual along the way that signed off and carried out this order must be held accountable. The “I was following orders” excuse can’t extend this far. It was no secrets. Everyone knew they were sending this guy back to the one place they couldn’t send him to. 

[u/Desruprot → u/3MATX]

the "I was following Orders" was used at Nuremberg, its far from a new one, it was not good then and is still not good now.

[u/newsflashjackass → u/Desruprot]

The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders#Nuremberg_Trials_after_World_War_II

[u/cuentaderana → u/3MATX]

If he received legitimate asylum, then he was either facing political prosecution (which meant he would be tortured and executed by the government/military, look up what El Salvador was doing to “protestors” starting in the 70s) or he was facing serious threats of gang violence. In which case he’s probably dead because they just threw him into a jail full of gang members who love to extort, rape, and kill locals for no reason other than they can. 

[u/pensezbien → u/cuentaderana]

Although he didn't receive asylum because he didn't apply for it by the statutory deadline of one year after arriving in the US, he did receive withholding of removal to El Salvador.

Basically, the judge recognized that there was credible fear of persecution of the type that could meet that requirement for asylum, but since the law didn't allow a grant of asylum that long after his arrival, the judge required that any deportation not be to El Salvador.

What did the government do? They deported him to El Salvador.

[u/TravelingCuppycake → u/3MATX]

El Salvador is only taking men and the US tried to send women too. El Salvador were literally the ones who said no and got the women returned to the US, the US was fully going to abandon 8 women to a horrible fate at CECOT if they could get away with it. Between that and what you’re saying this definitely isn’t incompetence, it’s intentional evil.

[u/MyDyingRequest → u/Few-Professional-859]

We aren’t paying them to house these people. We paid El Salvador to take them indefinitely. There was never a plan to ever go and bring them back. It’s a really fucked up photo op to scare the rest of the “illegals” out of our country. I really hope these innocent humans are still alive and can get their due process.

[u/UnmeiX → u/MyDyingRequest]

Nope. They may be held by El Salvador indefinitely, but the explicit terms of the agreement were X millions for a 1 year stay. I don't remember the exact number of millions offhand, but I do remember that the term was explicitly one year.

P.S.: While CECOT is usually a prison-for-life destination, imprisoning people isn't free, so they're only going to hold their own criminals indefinitely. They don't have the money to just hold random people prisoner for the US, El Salvador is not a wealthy nation.

Edit: 6 million. They were paid six million to hold the prisoners for a year's time.

[u/QuantTrader_qa2 → u/UnmeiX]

That's good info. But I think it's highly likely that gets renewed indefinitely at least in this administration, and it'll take a different party to come in and stop the madness.

[u/curiousleen → u/Few-Professional-859]

Exactly. Hey… we are the most intelligent and powerful men on the planet! Without us, people would be stranded in space! Also, how can we be expected to retrieve one guy we mistakenly sent to a concentration camp that we pay for? Too much hard to figure out.

[u/dbgtboi]

This is a very unreasonable timeline

Trump is currently busy destroying the markets and the economy, I don't think he is able to spend any time bringing this man back from an El Salvador prison

Also he needs his golf breaks

[u/FreelyIP109 → u/dbgtboi]

And his snuggle time with Elon.

[u/damnthistrafficjam → u/FreelyIP109]

It’s Loomer now. He switched back.

[u/BabySealOfDoom → u/damnthistrafficjam]

One man’s diaper is another man’s job.

[u/SnoozeDoggyDog]

Stephen Miller, Trump’s White House deputy chief of staff, on Friday called Xinis a “Marxist judge” who “now thinks she’s president of El Salvador.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/04/politics/judge-orders-us-government-return-man-from-el-salvador/index.html

How the FUCK does a judge ordering you to retrieve a person you wrongfully sent to a concentration camp make them a "Marxist"?!!!!!!!???!?!?!

Are US presidents the "president of China/Russia/North Korea" when they move to retrieve US citizens wrongfully held in those countries?

[u/pinksparklyreddit → u/SnoozeDoggyDog]

Marxism is when innocent people don't get sent to concentration camps

[u/OneInfinith → u/pinksparklyreddit]

Suddenly 80 million Marxists in the US.

[u/ComCypher → u/OneInfinith]

That's unironically what the MAGATs believe.

[u/tjwhitt → u/SnoozeDoggyDog]

One must realize that Stephen Miller is ambulatory ass cancer. Fuck what you think.

Then its easy to understand.

[u/bdsee → u/tjwhitt]

Stephen Miller looks like Roark Jr/Yellow Bastard from Sin City.

[u/97vyy → u/SnoozeDoggyDog]

If you hear a Republican say "Marxist" they are only using it as a buzzword and have no idea what it means. To them it just means bad or Democrat. They are so full of shit.

[u/introspectivejoker → u/SnoozeDoggyDog]

I guarantee he got this from listening to Jordan Peterson. He the only person I've ever heard give speeches about how the West is infected with Marxism

[u/Grone_Danone → u/introspectivejoker]

The belief that Germany must fight ‘Jewish Marxism’ was already prominent under Hitler, and the notion of ‘Cultural Marxism’ has been a neo-Nazi conspiracy theory for decades. This is not new. As a German, let me assure you that this is out in the open Nazi propaganda and follows the Nazi playbook.

[u/TheVaneja]

I actually believe they can't bring him home. They are so incompetent they probably can't identify him.

[u/kaeldrakkel → u/TheVaneja]

He has an obvious arm tattoo. He's quite easy to identify. His wife saw pictures of him in the prison, that's how she found out he was there. His forearm tattoo.

Rage inducing.

[u/damnthistrafficjam → u/kaeldrakkel]

Wasn’t it an autism tattoo? IIRC.

[u/kweathergirl → u/damnthistrafficjam]

That’s a different prisoner from Dallas.

[u/FuckGOPCunts → u/kweathergirl]

How awful is it that there’s even more than one?

[u/MeowsAllieCat → u/damnthistrafficjam]

No, the autism awareness tattoo is a case from Dallas.

There was also a makeup artist in California deported for a crown tattoo, which is a religious symbol in his home town.

[u/UnmeiX → u/damnthistrafficjam]

I do believe this is the same fellow with the autism tattoo that he got for his brother.

[u/TheVaneja → u/kaeldrakkel]

I wish I was being facetious when I say I'm not convinced that would be enough. They all exhibit symptoms of blindness.

[u/UnmeiX → u/TheVaneja]

The Salvadoran officials surely can identify him, he's the only Salvadoran native we sent to CECOT, so far as I know. He's probably the only one that they can certify the identity of.

[u/Imaginary_Art_2412 → u/TheVaneja]

Yep, they had this problem last time too, they couldn’t identify the kids that were separated from their parents so they could be reunited.

It’s because for them, it’s not about actually enforcing immigration laws, it’s more about a show of force and dehumanizing the immigrants.

[u/Inner_Honey_978 → u/Imaginary_Art_2412]

As of 2/23:

the Biden administration has succeeded in uniting some 600 children with their parents, about 1000 remain separated.

[u/teach_yo_self → u/Inner_Honey_978]

So there are still 1000 children being held?? That is so incredibly sad and fucked up.

[u/jellyrollo → u/teach_yo_self]

Beginning with the start of Trump's family separation policy, no records were kept by the Trump administration about which kid belonged with which parent. In many cases, their parents may be dead. Since they were trying to claim asylum at the border because they were fleeing violence, turning them back at the border was often a death sentence.

[u/Silent-Resort-3076 → u/TheVaneja]

They won't bring him home because then Vance will have to admit he was wrong!!

Someone tweeted:

Any comment on this, (Marco Rubio) How about you, (JD Vance, Elon Musk)

You just admitted to accidentally sending an innocent father from Maryland to a torture du...

Vance responded with:

My comment is that according to the court document you apparently didn't read he was a convicted MS-13 gang member with no legal right to be here.

My further comment is that it's gross to get fired up about gang members getting deported while ignoring citizens they victimize.

[u/TheVaneja → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

Funny how he proves he can't read because the victim was never convicted of being a gang member he was simply accused by an anonymous informant of being a gang member.

I see the Conservative sub cheering this without any consideration of the quality of the actual evidence behind the accusation. They're oblivious to the fact that their standard of evidence is literally the standard that was used in actual historical witch-hunts, and if they get their way they will all be subject to the whims of anyone they encounter and whether the US government decides to get them or get their accusor. Or maybe both.

[u/Silent-Resort-3076 → u/TheVaneja]

Exactly! I read via Snopes that this was disputed because there is NO record of him ever being arrested or charged for what Vance accuses him of doing!

And as someone else posted, how many others is this happening to? We already know of a couple from news reports, but what about the others who have no one to speak up for them!

[u/poco → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

I have it on good authority that Vance is an enforcer of a gang in El Salvador.

[u/ShermanPhrynosoma → u/TheVaneja]

The point is to round up and imprison people that Trump can pretend are the scary non-natives he’s been telling his followers about.

Trump’s strategies are seldom more complicated than they seem.

[u/Mylaptopisburningme → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

I usually avoid Facebook especially the news because of the evil toxic MAGA parrots. So last night an article about this person came up and a MAGA lady responded with pretty much F him and calling him a gang member.

So I mentioned that it was an anonymous call, I also googled that lady and posted her 2 old arrest records, leaving the scene of an accident with injuries and another for crack possession. I told her she is more of a criminal than the person they deported.

[u/Silent-Resort-3076 → u/Mylaptopisburningme]

Typical hypocrite MAGA!

Good for you for calling her out with proof!!

[u/Book_talker_abouter → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

“My further comment is whataboutism and dodging responsibility for the lives I’m ruining”

[u/cmiller4642]

Trump/Vance/Rubio: "Umm no"

Judge: "Oh well... darn okay..."

[u/lonestar-rasbryjamco → u/cmiller4642]

Trump/Vance yes. But a federal judge has the power to make life very hard for everyone else around them. But it’s very rare.

That said no president has tried to issue a pardon for civil contempt ruling…

[u/Emu_Fast → u/lonestar-rasbryjamco]

Trump could issue a blanket pardon for the entirety of his agency.

We're months away from roving state sponsored marauders. I mean we have them now, but shortly it will be targeted theft and wholesale abduction of US citizens

[u/Fun_Intention9846 → u/Emu_Fast]

I think you nailed it. We have them now, months from now they will be confirmed. Or sooner.

[u/redesckey → u/Fun_Intention9846]

I give it a few weeks, to be honest. They're set to make a decision on invoking the Insurrection Act on April 20th, which given the timeline of events so far I think is a foregone conclusion. 

[u/atriaventrica → u/lonestar-rasbryjamco]

Contempt is ongoing until the judges order is met. You could pardon someone at 12:00am and at 12:01 they're in contempt again. At least theoretically.

[u/cadomski → u/cmiller4642]

Yep. My very first thought when reading the title was, "Or what??" The orange shit stain has been allowed to do whatever he wants with zero repercussions so far.

[u/ergonomic_logic]

I like how they lied in court accusing him of being in a gang to try and not have to bring him home.

There needs to be consequences for that shit right there.

I hope they're able to safely get him back.

[u/damnthistrafficjam → u/ergonomic_logic]

Oh, I know. That lying ass press secretary up there talking about he’s an ms 13 gang member. It’s absolutely disgusting and criminal to do this, all to cover their own gross incompetency.

[u/Kerrigore → u/ergonomic_logic]

They like to brag about how they’re getting people Biden never could etc… the truth is likely that they’re simply willing to proceed on mere suspicion or with very weak evidence, or where there will be extremely high collateral damage. They no longer care about actual proof- in this case the mere accusation of gang membership, however tenuous, was enough for them.

[u/scytalis]

So what is the judge going to do when the Executive branch doesn’t bring the mistakenly deported Maryland man home? Write a strongly worded rebuke? What is going to be done when the current administration refuses to acknowledge the authority of the courts?

[u/kyriebelle → u/scytalis]

What I hope will happen (but totally won’t) is that all involved are put in jail until they get him back.

[u/Justifiably_Bad_Take → u/kyriebelle]

Put in jail by whom exactly? The pigs fucking love Trump

[u/delirium_red → u/scytalis]

Nothing, as the US citizens who voted him in just don't care. All those constitutionally protected guns to defend yourself from tyranny, yet now everyone is either cheering for it or writing semi-angry comments on social networks while democracy is dying and the rest of the world is being threatened.

[u/TopEagle4012]

And after the 3 days I'm going to get very very angry and put all those bad people in the corner for punishment.

[u/dereksalem → u/TopEagle4012]

This is literally an, “or what?” Situation.

Nobody is going to do anything to Trump, so they need to stop with their empty threats if they won’t.

[u/Gungnir111 → u/dereksalem]

Don’t judges have bailiffs they can let loose on people who don’t comply?

[u/nizzzzy → u/Gungnir111]

They have the US marshals, which are the OG federal enforcers and part of the judicial branch as opposed to the executive branch. They in theory are able to arrest anyone, anywhere in the US under a federal judges orders.

The issue is when the executive branch doesn’t comply with judicial branch, erases all checks and balances and creates the current constitutional crisis we are currently facing.

Edit: I was mistaken they are actually executive branch and report to the AG and department of justice. Their main and OG purpose is to protect federal circuit process. They are supposed to be who the judge can call upon. The point remains the same of the constitutional crisis.

[u/Dr_CleanBones → u/nizzzzy]

Actually, the US Marshalls are part of the Executive branch. Nevertheless, the judge can enlist any US police force she wants to enforce her orders.

[u/old_righty → u/Gungnir111]

Yeah and most senior government officials (cabinet level) have security or work in a building with security. So this could get ugly.

[u/Violet-Journey → u/Gungnir111]

The US Marshals are supposed to be the enforcement arm of the federal court system and could theoretically be sent after people who disobey court orders. The sticky fascist part of that is that they are still in the Executive Branch under the DOJ; and under the Trump regime, the DOJ no longer operates independently of the president.

[u/AcidaliaPlanitia → u/dereksalem]

Have the US Marshalls throw the prosecutor in jail.

[u/damnthistrafficjam → u/dereksalem]

I’m not really sure what’s to stop them from jailing Bondi, Noem, or Homan though. They’re all accessories to this.

[u/so_it_hoes → u/TopEagle4012]

Can we “slam” them too? I want to read another article about a democrat “slamming” someone. That way I can sleep soundly knowing how utterly “slammed” those pricks are.

[u/Mosaic78]

So what happens when the Trump administration ignores this ruling in 3 days? Who goes to jail?

[u/No-Falcon-4996 → u/Mosaic78]

Nothing happens. Republicans are the opposite of conservative. They dont care about following laws, having order, ethics, doing the correct thing, or democracy.

[u/BlueTreeThree → u/No-Falcon-4996]

This really isn’t a “business as usual” situation, we’re talking the end of the United States..

Like, prepare for the worst because if the judiciary can’t bring them to heel, shit is about to go off the rails. Like only a few steps further down this road and writing comments like these will be enough to make us targets.

[u/BagelandShmear48]

The press secretary saying the administration made an error but also has no intention of bringing him back tells us everything we need to know.

[u/scarykicks]

All I'm saying is just imagine a Dem wrongly deported someone to a Salvadorian jail.

Dems don't hit hard enough on these issues.

[u/mindfu]

The complete and total silence on this issue by so-called libertarians like Rand Paul and Megan McArdle, should tell you everything you need to know about how serious they actually are about individual freedoms and protecting people from government tyranny.

They do not give a fuck.

[u/Opening-Ad-8793 → u/mindfu]

Small government my ass

[u/slowmo152]

Or what? They'll just ignore him.

The judge doesn't have many effective methods of enforcement. Congress, lol. US Marshals, Pam Bondi will fire anyone who follows the judge. They could deputize a third party in theory, but the Supreme Court will probably strike that down.

[u/Darkelysiumm]

My fear is he is already dead. They could have brought him back quickly and quietly otherwise. Unless something nefarious is going on there the government doesn't want the public to know.

[u/zillion_grill]

I'm going to guess the reason why they "can't" bring people back is that most of them are just being executed, maybe the rest into forced labor. Why would they want to pay for more and more prisoners indefinitely?

[u/Limberine → u/zillion_grill]

Because the US is paying $6 million for the prison to incarcerate them for the next 12 months but that’s renewable according to Bukele so it’s in their interests to keep them alive to get more money next year and ongoing.

[u/10yearsisenough → u/Limberine]

What's wild to me is that they have been kicked out of the country but not convicted of crimes....so why are they being held in prison?? They aren't detained pending further hearings.

We were taught that America was great because it was NOT like this.

[u/Plzbanmebrony → u/Limberine]

"Alive" he only needs to live on paper. Trumps most likely fine having the US pay to make his enemies disappear.

[u/syzygialchaos → u/zillion_grill]

As stated by others - it cannot be overstated how much they do not want someone coming back to sit in front of a camera and give a vivid testimonial about what’s going on down there. This “prison” situation is as one-way as the Nazi camps were.

[u/Boomshtick414 → u/zillion_grill]

The two primary reasons they can’t bring folks back.

1) The US can’t enforce our laws on someone else’s sovereign soil.

2) Bringing him back offers a witness to talk to the court and the media about what’s going on down there.

If he was an American citizen, it would be easier to demand they give him back. As a citizen of El Salvador, it could be a very high price and they’ll likely just refuse.

Now, El Salvador wants to stay in Trump’s good graces and if the admin wants this guy back, they almost certainly can make it happen, but what’s most likely to going happen is a charade. El Salvador knows Trump doesn’t want him back, so they will publicly refuse, DOJ goes back to the judge and says “Well, we tried…nothing else we can do.” And the judge can’t exactly order a military operation to rescue this guy, so at that point he can sanction the DOJ a little bit that’s about it.

[u/LimberGravy → u/zillion_grill]

And if they aren’t the Trump admin desperately don’t want to have someone who can put an innocent face on this and describe the horrors he went through.

Fox keeps showing 1 lone picture of him that looks like a mugshot.

[u/G3tsPlastered4Alvng]

I have a feeling they are destroying all records of where they are sending people and they couldn’t find him if they wanted to. They did it when they separated families.

[u/invalidpassword]

I bet they can't do it because, as an effeminate gay make-up artist in a prison notorious for cruelty and torture, he's probably no longer among the living. He must have been so scared — it makes me want to cry. If he's miraculously alive, I hope he's awarded a huge settlement. ICE needs neutered — preferably without anesthesia.

[u/Fernweh14 → u/invalidpassword]

No. That’s a DIFFERENT guy. They rounded up a bunch of people and sent them to a concentration camp in another country without due process and this is the result- people who are likely to be killed were recklessly sent there. I’m sure there’s plenty more besides the handful we’ve heard about in the news.

[u/Trixer55555]

Trump voters still in denial and will justify this deportation just like the tariffs, Epstein files etc…

[u/thrillybizzaro]

Deportation is when you tell someone they have to leave the country and go back to the one they are a citizen of right? Wtf is it called when you kidnap someone and send them to a prison in a random country? Can we stop saying deported for this stuff please, it is incorrect

[u/Framnk]

ffs… i feel like someone can make an argument to me WHY we’re deporting all these people (even if I don’t agree) but what’s the urgency? Why can’t we at least be sure we’re not inadvertently deporting people with a right to be here? Most of these people have been here and are not an imminent threat

[u/Herebec → u/Framnk]

The urgency is they don't want due process

[u/positivecynik → u/Framnk]

Do you really not know? The answer starts with an "r" and ends with an "ism".

[u/Unique-Coffee5087]

I fear that guy will only come back in a box

[u/NeelaTV → u/Unique-Coffee5087]

And they knew what they did when they did it... they simply didnt care...

[u/Elegant_One_3224]

Ignoring a federal judge’s orders can result in contempt against the government and sanctions on the DOJ attorneys. Next step is the Supreme Court, where hopefully they will reverse their error in judgement when they ruled president’s have full immunity for acts committed as president.

[u/MsFloofNoofle]

Reading his wife and daughters statements is heartbreaking. I hope he is returned home safely and that those responsible are held accountable. This is horrifying.

[u/LaboratoryRat]

Innocent people sent to concentration camps.

Love people seeing just HOW stupid, sloppy, bigoted and fascist Trump and the rest of his moronic, selfish, ugly, pathetic, unworthy of being loved cronies will act when they get the power.

I hope the next turning of the wheel turns towards equality and a ceiling on individual consolidation of power.

[u/NewEngland0123]

Why does the news say mistakenly ? There was no mistake they intended to do what they did. Why not say what it really is I think the word you are looking for is illegally …

[u/dreamstillwouldawon]

These details are tragic…

“His wife spoke to him by phone when he was in the U.S. and tracked his location using ICE’s online detainee locator tool. But when he was flown out of the country, he vanished from the online system and she had no idea where he had been taken.

Finally, she recognized him in a video El Salvador’s president posted to X, showing men in white uniforms being frog-marched and having their heads shaved. In a photo of detainees, she recognized his tattoos.”

[u/FreddieJasonizz]

Or what? What can the judge do if they don’t comply?

[u/Alarmed_Barracuda847]

They can’t bring him back if he’s already dead. Hate to say it but I think he’s likely been killed by the gangs he was seeking asylum from. Plus if he is alive they cannot risk him coming back head shaved, beaten and bruised having lost extraordinary amount of weight in short time looking like he was in a gulag. And then telling the truth of the place to the American public. So if he isn’t dead the US branch that caused this will slip another million to the El Salvador prison officials to make him dead so he can’t come back. 

[u/CMG30]

Start putting official in jail for contempt with the condition that their contempt be lifted once they fix their mistakes. In this case, the return of the man.

[u/Mediocre-Housing-131]

So like… what do they plan to do in 3 days when Trump definitely doesn’t get that man back? Send another strongly worded message to him?

[u/ibflaubert]

I can see the excuse on Monday: Was that 3 business days? Or 72 hours from the order?

[u/Suzilu]

He came here to escape death threats from the cartel. They put him in a jail full of cartel people. My guess is this man is no longer with the living.

[u/0nlyhalfjewish]

The fucking SHAME every Trump supporter doesn’t feel right now makes me beyond irate.

[u/Fitz_2112b]

They're gonna come up with some excuse to let this poor man fall through the cracks and never be seen again

[u/nonlinear_nyc]

ICE has quotas, and everyone makes money per person. They DGAF about false positives.

It’s imperative that false positives are ABSURDLY COSTLY to these monsters since currently they have zero incentives to be honest or fair.

[u/Coniferino_hano]

The administration is a criminal organization at this point. The next president will give full pardons to the people who storm the capital and remove this president and his cabinet.

[u/FallOutShelterBoy]

They sent people to El Salvador because judges here don’t have any jurisdiction over a foreign country to bring anyone back. The White House literally said that yesterday. They don’t care, they’re out of the country so it doesn’t matter what happens to them now is what they seemingly think

[u/Impressive-Put1332]

They probably say they can’t bring him home because they either don’t know where he is at this point and don’t care to find out or he’s already dead

[u/Vast-Recognition2321]

I'm not one to immediately jump to a lawsuit, but I hope like hell he and his family sue the government and Trump. The pain and suffering is unimaginable.

[u/khalamar]

Now look at them rushing to do nothing.

[u/Purrade]

Or else what?

[u/SinfullySinless]

Or what? You’ll write a rather perturbed letter?

Let’s not pretend this isn’t the point of the program- just deport brown skin people regardless of status.

The El Salvador prison is perfect because the courts hold no jurisdiction for any “whoopsies” and Trump’s legal team will basically just say “sorry didn’t read your letter until the plane was in the air”.

Trump is just going to continue to ignore the courts and the courts have zero power to stop him because Republicans also want this outcome as well.

[u/Political__Theater]

Guess we’re able to find out what happens when an immune and impeach proof Executive completely ignores the Judiciary

[u/the_ssotf]

Or what? No one has had any reprecussions within the past 20 years

[u/southernmagz]

Can they bring him home? Yes. Will they bring him home? Probably not, I think. This is exactly the litmus test the current administration wants. A (relatively) low-stakes challenge to examine the response of the judiciary and the public at-large. This is just testing the waters for more substantial violations in the future.