After the US overturned Roe v Wade, permanent contraception surged among young adults living in states likely to ban abortion, new research found. Compared to May 2022, August 2022 saw 95% more vasectomies and 70% more tubal sterilizations performed on people between the ages of 19 and 26.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/06/permanent-contraception-abortion-roe-v-wade

[u/Tearakan → u/[deleted]]

Yep. The African birth rate has been declining too.

Immigration wont solve these issues ultimately. Changing our economic system is required just to handle the birth rate changes. And that's if we survive the coming climate chaos which is gonna get really horrific.

We are above the worst case scenario models for CO2 based climate change.

[u/Tearakan → u/[deleted]]

With our current government and economic systems in place I don't see that happening without extreme violence.

I wish there was another way but it seems like we are doomed to horrific violence this century regardless of the path we choose.

[u/SeattleResident → u/[deleted]]

This isn't true at all. Every country will reach an equilibrium with populations. Even if the population declined like in South Korea, they still don't have to bring on a lot of migrants.

This whole "bring in migrants to fix declining birthrates" is only imperative if extreme forever growth of capitalism is the goal which we know is inherently bad nowadays. Countries are far more likely to begin to automate more which means migrants will actually hurt their economy by sapping resources in these societies. It's more likely in the coming future for countries to be far more closed borders to migrants as a whole across the global north as automation continues to take over.

You also have the problem that mass migration has its own problems in and of itself. A lot of cultures simply can't coexist as peacefully together as others and it will cause friction. This friction will invariably lead to mass violence and more conservative leadership being put into place in almost every Western country. This just means even more closed borders.

I simply don't see any scenario where mass migration happens from the global south to the north that doesn't involve extreme violence and war.

[u/Commentariot → u/SeattleResident]

It will happen and there will be extreme violence. Not that complicated.

[u/osiris0413 → u/[deleted]]

I'm glad you feel that way, but the administration we just elected and the supporters they have cultivated are anything but the "diversity is strength" type.

[u/ACertainMagicalSpade → u/[deleted]]

You sound like AI. Use smaller words mate, people aren't going to care about what you say when you spew the dictionary at them.

[u/barontaint → u/ACertainMagicalSpade]

Spew the dictionary? Not a single word is over five syllables or something your wouldn't find in Harry Potter novel in complexity.

[u/ACertainMagicalSpade → u/barontaint]

Your phrases and choice of words makes your comment appear as a mass of information. Dumb it down a little if you want people to care.

I assume you do care, so this is actually advice not criticism.

[u/barontaint → u/ACertainMagicalSpade]

I never made the supposed wordy AI comment, I was responding to you thinking it was weird. Check your reading comprehension.

[u/No_Jelly_6990 → u/[deleted]]

... but what about European culture? Aren't savages going g to destroy euro-history? That would be unfair... said the right-wingers.

[u/MegaThot2023 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, no thank you. I'm not going to support accepting any more sub-saharan immigrants/refugees than we already are.

You might be willing to sacrifice the well-being and cohesion of your nation due to climate guilt and self-loathing, but I'd rather my children not live in that kind of place.

[u/CommodoreQuinli → u/MegaThot2023]

You won't have a choice, they need labor to subsist their empires. If the kids won't come from their citizens, they'll import them like always. Make the proles rail hard against immigration then turn around and double H1B visas.

[u/BabySinister → u/Tearakan]

Immigration has to solve it, or we need to change society to get back to the point where everybody is expected to have at least 2 kids. Free daycare etc will obviously help for those who want kids but can't afford it, but that doesn't cover the growing group of people who don't want kids even if they could afford it.

[u/djinnisequoia → u/[deleted]]

I look at it a little differently. If a woman has one child, she has replaced herself. In order for a man to replace himself, he must convince a woman to have a second child, and many men aren't being too convincing.

[u/conquer69 → u/[deleted]]

Women in poor countries have lots of children because it's their "wifely duty". It's not their choice. All those countries are misogynistic.

Importing a bunch of sexists and hoping they keep up their sexism is not how a progressive country should hope to improve fertility rates.

[u/invariantspeed → u/[deleted]]

1. Most places with high fertility are still declining.
2. The top end projections on when the human population peaks tend to just ask when we run out of enough food. We have a limit on us like yeast in a fermenting jug of grape mash.

[u/Roflkopt3r → u/invariantspeed]

The top end projections on when the human population peaks tend to just ask when we run out of enough food. We have a limit on us like yeast in a fermenting jug of grape mash.

The more reasonable estimates peak out at about 10 billion some time in the later half of the 21st century. So not that big of a change from our current 8 billion.

Estimates for how much population our resources could support are much more volatile. I believe typical estimates are at about 12-20 billion if we were reasonably efficient. Even now, the biggest issue is inequality/bad distribution/waste rather than total quantity after all.

[u/invariantspeed → u/Roflkopt3r]

Even now, the biggest issue is inequality/bad distribution/waste rather than total quantity after all.

True, but the devil is always in the details. That’s why the US exported tons of food to the Soviet Union even though its farms produced more than enough. Much of their food rotted in fields, unable to get across the country.

It’s also worth pointing out that a lot of our food waist comes from safety regulations, and there’s also just Americans eating more than is necessary to support them, but American farms would probably just produce less food if either of those were reduced. Food gets delivered to where it’s paid for.

[u/Roflkopt3r → u/[deleted]]

In comparison, South Korea has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world. As of 2024, the TFR was reported at around 0.72 to 0.81, significantly below the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman. China and Japan's TFR are estimated to be approximately 1.1 and 1.2, respectively.

Yeah the bottom 3 are South Korea, Hong Kong, and Singapore.

Wealthy but highly conservative and hierarchical societies with high economic competition between workers. Being a parent or a child is absurdly stressful there with the amount of educational competition and social expectations.

While all highly developed countries have low birth rates, those that offer more benefits and freedom to parents definitely have done better. It's just that even the Scandinavian countries aren't quite as "socialist" as many assume.

[u/DarkwingDuckHunt → u/[deleted]]

Carrot or the Stick

If you want your populace to have more children, you'll get more children by offering "carrot" policies then "stick" policies.

Carrot Policies being free healthcare, free daycare, more taxbreaks, more paid leave.

[u/jfrost378 → u/DarkwingDuckHunt]

Are there any evidence that supports this? 

[u/Canjie_Pheasant → u/[deleted]]

How many of the children survive to adulthood?