r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • Jan 06 '25

Health After the US overturned Roe v Wade, permanent contraception surged among young adults living in states likely to ban abortion, new research found. Compared to May 2022, August 2022 saw 95% more vasectomies and 70% more tubal sterilizations performed on people between the ages of 19 and 26.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/06/permanent-contraception-abortion-roe-v-wade
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u/Tearakan Jan 07 '25

Yep. The African birth rate has been declining too.

Immigration wont solve these issues ultimately. Changing our economic system is required just to handle the birth rate changes. And that's if we survive the coming climate chaos which is gonna get really horrific.

We are above the worst case scenario models for CO2 based climate change.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '25

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u/Tearakan Jan 07 '25

With our current government and economic systems in place I don't see that happening without extreme violence.

I wish there was another way but it seems like we are doomed to horrific violence this century regardless of the path we choose.

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u/SeattleResident Jan 07 '25

This isn't true at all. Every country will reach an equilibrium with populations. Even if the population declined like in South Korea, they still don't have to bring on a lot of migrants.

This whole "bring in migrants to fix declining birthrates" is only imperative if extreme forever growth of capitalism is the goal which we know is inherently bad nowadays. Countries are far more likely to begin to automate more which means migrants will actually hurt their economy by sapping resources in these societies. It's more likely in the coming future for countries to be far more closed borders to migrants as a whole across the global north as automation continues to take over.

You also have the problem that mass migration has its own problems in and of itself. A lot of cultures simply can't coexist as peacefully together as others and it will cause friction. This friction will invariably lead to mass violence and more conservative leadership being put into place in almost every Western country. This just means even more closed borders.

I simply don't see any scenario where mass migration happens from the global south to the north that doesn't involve extreme violence and war.

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u/Commentariot Jan 07 '25

It will happen and there will be extreme violence. Not that complicated.

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u/osiris0413 Jan 07 '25

I'm glad you feel that way, but the administration we just elected and the supporters they have cultivated are anything but the "diversity is strength" type.

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u/ACertainMagicalSpade Jan 07 '25

You sound like AI. Use smaller words mate, people aren't going to care about what you say when you spew the dictionary at them.

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u/barontaint Jan 07 '25

Spew the dictionary? Not a single word is over five syllables or something your wouldn't find in Harry Potter novel in complexity.

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u/ACertainMagicalSpade Jan 07 '25 edited Jan 07 '25

Your phrases and choice of words makes your comment appear as a mass of information. Dumb it down a little if you want people to care.

I assume you do care, so this is actually advice not criticism.

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u/barontaint Jan 07 '25

I never made the supposed wordy AI comment, I was responding to you thinking it was weird. Check your reading comprehension.

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u/No_Jelly_6990 Jan 07 '25

... but what about European culture? Aren't savages going g to destroy euro-history? That would be unfair... said the right-wingers.

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u/MegaThot2023 Jan 07 '25

Yeah, no thank you. I'm not going to support accepting any more sub-saharan immigrants/refugees than we already are.

You might be willing to sacrifice the well-being and cohesion of your nation due to climate guilt and self-loathing, but I'd rather my children not live in that kind of place.

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u/CommodoreQuinli Jan 07 '25

You won't have a choice, they need labor to subsist their empires. If the kids won't come from their citizens, they'll import them like always. Make the proles rail hard against immigration then turn around and double H1B visas.

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u/BabySinister Jan 07 '25

Immigration has to solve it, or we need to change society to get back to the point where everybody is expected to have at least 2 kids. Free daycare etc will obviously help for those who want kids but can't afford it, but that doesn't cover the growing group of people who don't want kids even if they could afford it.