r/singularity • u/[deleted] • 5d ago
AI Well, my entire software engineering team was just laid off because of AI.
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u/ClubAquaBackDeck 5d ago
Insane to trust AI for banking software and I use Ai tools to dev every day of my job.
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u/sothatsit 5d ago
To be fair, they fired this one team under the assumption that other teams can pick up the slack. This assumption seems to be based on the other team using AI.
I would not trust AI itself today, but I would trust engineers using AI. Especially if they are following strict review practices that are commonly required at banks.
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u/Additional-Bee1379 5d ago
This is what so many software developers are in denial about. If AI can double the productivity of a dev then you can fire half the devs.
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u/Single-Weather1379 5d ago
Exactly. It seems the industry is in denial "but but this increase productivity means the company can invest more and augment our skillset" it also means they can invest less, hire less, and fire more. If AI is already that good now imagine 5 years from now with aggresive iterations how good it will be. The future looks very dystopian
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u/LilienneCarter 5d ago
I don't think it'll be dystopian at all.
White collar work will go, of course. But there'll still be plenty of physical jobs to move into while general robotics takes some time to catch up — indeed, with AI rapidly accelarating R&D and hypothesis generation, there should be a ton of factory jobs available for everyone.
Eventually we'll get proper humanoid robots too, though, and they'll be better at the factory work. The good news is that there'll still be plenty of things they can't do: working on difficult terrain (say you have a farm on a steep and eroded hillside; many of those in Asia!), making handcrafted goods that people will still value... etc.
But that'll still be work! You'll spend your days plowing the fields, maybe sewing a little, maybe cooking a potato stew with the crops you grew... a really wholesome life. What's not to love?
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u/PEACH_EATER_69 5d ago
But that'll still be work! You'll spend your days plowing the fields, maybe sewing a little, maybe cooking a potato stew with the crops you grew
you have 110% never worked on a farm, especially not in difficult terrain
unless your comment is cynical sarcasm, in which case it's pitch perfect
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u/LilienneCarter 5d ago
Yeah, the joke is that the life of a feudal peasant would still be available :) Ty
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u/PEACH_EATER_69 5d ago
thank god sorry, when it comes to AI I find it really hard to distinguish irony from non-irony, there's so much cult mindset shit going on these days
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u/gordandisto 5d ago
I was also confused when neither he or the other guy addressed the irony. Well played.
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u/Single-Weather1379 5d ago
This has to be one of the best comments i've seen in my life. Your friends are lucky to hang out with you
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u/CautiousRice 5d ago
There will be work but it's a hard fall going from software engineering to McDonalds.
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u/Dashmundo 5d ago
But it can't, since so much time is spent having to review the many many mistakes AI makes? This is a completely inflated bubble to sell CEOs on pure bluster, and it's going to pop.
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u/DumpsterDiverRedDave 5d ago
The new gemini model can one shot many coding problems. If you just stick your head in the sand, you are going to be really surprised.
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u/EGarrett 5d ago
If AI can double the productivity of a dev then you can fire half the devs.
Or make your division twice as productive for the same cost. It is possible that some companies will try doubling their output instead of halving their costs.
Of course this is totally unpredictable and people should prepare to be laid off.
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u/Jah_Ith_Ber 5d ago
Suppose you do double your output. Who do you sell to? You're just stealing market share from a competitor and they are the ones that fire their staff. Just because it's out of your companies sight that doesn't mean it's not happening.
Do you think the market is just going to double its demand?
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u/Jah_Ith_Ber 5d ago
And then you can slash the salary of the remaining devs because there is suddenly a line outside HRs office begging for a job.
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u/Toren6969 5d ago
Depends on what the team did. There Is difference between Core infrastracture that Is run on basically same code base for 30 years And no one dares to mess it up and some small application for bankers which Is wrapped in React/Angular or some small app used in the big bank app.
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u/mxforest 5d ago
Banking softwares have insane QA requirements. Nothing can get past them. I have worked for leading firm for deployment at a leading bank. It took 5 yrs for minor customizations to the core product and deploying even with a team of 100 people. You can get away even with incompetent coders because the issue will be caught somewhere among the dozens of intermediate steps. And even within code, they have multiple validations even for a single transaction.
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u/shikaishi 5d ago
They also have Quality Engineers/Testers to catch any defects in the code. Five years to make minor changes to a Core Banking system on the other hand is very far from the norm for banking systems and suggests significant other issues like a codebase that has evolved over decades with poor carried forward understanding of how it all works. Using AI to map it though is a very real solution to that particular problem.
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u/mxforest 5d ago
5 yrs was not just for the changes. The deployment also takes time because you need on site engineers to deploy, then test, then get it certified. Then they pay white hat hackers to try to break it as well. It is a very extensive process and every minor detail is documented. Then you have to train the staff also. Once deployed the product is used for 20-25 yrs. When i worked there, we upgraded the system that was put in place in mid 90's.
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u/pigwin 5d ago
Bank? AI? I don't think so. Your jobs are probably being offshore-d. Management is just using AI as an excuse.
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u/IHateLayovers 5d ago
They didn't layoff the entire eng org and replace them with AI. They had 10 eng teams and laid off 2 out of 10 expecting the other 8 teams to do the work of 10 teams with the aid of productivity tools. Obviously made up numbers to illustrate the point.
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u/daking999 5d ago
Don't worry social security will soon be running on AI coded software read over by one 19yo.
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u/CookieChoice5457 5d ago
Worked FAANG tha past years... Manager of a dev team at a bank... "Didn't see AI coming". No severance?
Sorry but this story seems like it's written by someone who's never worked in tech. Let alone in middle management.
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u/StackOwOFlow 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah, honestly it doesn't sound like the mindset of someone who could make it into FAANG, which tends to favor those who are intellectually curious and into building new things. Nobody I know at FAANG is oblivious to the implications of AI on coding. Many are actively figuring out how to leverage it in their own projects.
also it's April 1st. I forgor
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u/Pyros-SD-Models 5d ago
"Didn't see AI coming"
Imagine paying a dev 180k and this dev "didn't see AI coming". Very good investment of those 180k.
I don't know a single good dev who doesn't see AI coming. Some may against it, but all understand the technology and its progress good enough to understand what it means.
It's kind of a litmus test. I would argue someone who doesn't see AI coming can't be a particularly good dev. People who are not good in their job sometimes get fired.
If OP's story is even true it means he didn't even bother learning things like Cursor or Copilot or Cline or similar coding agents and probably just got outperformed by every other in-house time by far. Very good dev. OP is still working with punch cards, while everyone is coding. OP just didn't see real programming languages coming.
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u/Interesting-Yellow-4 5d ago
You'd think so, but I'm the only one in my team taking AI seriously and demanding to be put on any AI project coming our way. The rest od my team is still brushing AI off and citing 2021 quality image generation as a good reason to ignore AI.
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u/Redducer 5d ago
You should check the comments under AI articles at ArsTechnica.
You’ll find the new generation of visionaries that used to paint web 2.0 and cloud as fads/vaporware in the mid naughts on Slashdot.
Most of them a majority of geeks. It’s baffling really.
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u/FlynnMonster ▪️ Zuck is ASI 5d ago
What?
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u/Redducer 5d ago
It's non stop angry ranting about how AI is worthless, or what not. There are very few people who can read the writing on the wall, or many who pretend not seeing it, or both. The contrast with the rather well balanced and informative articles is striking.
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u/luke23571113 5d ago
Sounds like a troll post. FAANGs are not as bad as OP described.
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u/BK_317 5d ago
today is april 1 yall
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u/denkleberry 5d ago
April 1st is supposed to be fun. He made a similar post on another sub on a different account. This guy just has a thing against AI. Probably got him laid off 😱
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u/kimaust 5d ago
Something tells me this post is a lie.
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u/freudweeks ▪️ASI 2030 | Optimistic Doomer 5d ago
I mean, he posted complaining about FAAANG a month ago, and 9 days ago. It's a pretty involved LARP or April fools if it is one.
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u/Longjumping_Area_944 5d ago
Yeah. Looking at his previous post and comments I'd say it's legit.
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u/butitsstrueuno 5d ago
this is good bait
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u/Artforartsake99 5d ago
Yeah banking is the last place that’s gonna be filled with AI coding
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u/ok-milk 5d ago
The chefs kiss is that it was very likely written by AI
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u/Warpzit 5d ago
100%. You know how you can tell? No writing errors, perfect grammar.
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u/KangarooCuddler 5d ago
That's not true. There are multiple instances of missing commas, such as in "Honestly I feel physically ill" and "Yes I made tons of money."
There are also several run-on sentences and fragments, such as "Genuinely no clue what I'm going to do." It's probably human-written.
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u/SmellsLikeBanEvasion 5d ago
As a software developer, can confirm. Not a single LLM that can actually write viable code in a production environment without significant handholding.
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u/Crawsh 5d ago
But does that handholding require the same number of people as does humans doing all the coding?
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u/thescarabalways 5d ago
I use AI at least weekly and have never gotten executable code...I ALWAYS have to tweak. It helps, but never is the final solution... yet
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u/rickyrulesNEW 5d ago
Fanfiction
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u/ClickF0rDick 5d ago
Something fishy is going on indeed, they have 26,000+ karma and just two comments and a few posts lol
Seems like they erased the entire account history for some reason
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u/dirtyfurrymoney 5d ago
A lot of us do this on a regular basis for privacy reasons.
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u/BigGryph 5d ago
Yeah this is nonsense. Name drops Amazon, Meta and Google, goes to work for “a bank”. Big time software engineer, never looked into AI, thought it was a “fad”. Manages to work software engineering in three of the biggest companies but still says things like “want to make coding my entire career”.
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u/jason_bman 5d ago
I was expecting more details on what “AI” specifically means here. What software product came in and took all the jobs? What specific work does it do that OP’s team used to do? Etc.
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u/Tkins 5d ago
Now is the time to start using AI. Sucks you lost your job. I feel for you. You and I both know you now need to focus on what to do next.
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u/Nervous_Brilliant441 5d ago
I’m willing to bet that many such layoffs will end in total disaster or rehirings because some idiot CEO pulled the trigger way too early and AI isn’t there yet.
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u/Hekantonkheries 5d ago
Yeah, AI being adopted quickly doesn't mean it's advancing quickly, just a lot of people jumping onboard party out of their own greed, and partly from the greed of snake oil salesmen selling blackbox algorithms for things they weren't made or properly trained for.
It's like how radiation and jet engines and so many other things were thrown in or adapted for everything post ww2 because "it was the future", only for a decade later 90% of those uses to get dropped because "oh the science isn't there yet/oh this just outright sucks for usecase"
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u/tichris15 5d ago
What like the using X-rays to size shoes (which actually lasted 50 years on the market)
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u/Tkins 5d ago
I don't think so anymore. Agents are working and CEOs are getting demos of the next iteration. Microsoft was showing them to my boss back in August. They have made strides since then.
At this point I think it's time to stop denying it and start adapting.
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u/HorseLeaf 5d ago
Using Cursor has already doubled my speed. But only in the 10% of my job that is actual programming.
I think it's because at that point I already have the whole code planned out and then it's just typing in characters.
I am impressed by the agents, had a use case where it changed something for me in 3 different files and even updated the tests. It forgot the 4. Place though and I haven't yet had a case where it was faster using agents then doing it myself, but compared to just 1 year ago... Wow.
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u/Madgyver 5d ago
Using Cursor has already doubled my speed. But only in the 10% of my job that is actual programming.
Oh, I am writing AI Applications for our company that speeds upt the other 90% that is bullshit paperwork.
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u/sadtimes12 5d ago
Using Cursor has already doubled my speed.
I am curious, has the 100% increase in speed also lead to a 100% increase in salary? I feel like everything gets better and faster, but none of the profits actually reach the people doing the work.
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u/HorseLeaf 5d ago
It hasn't doubled my output, since coding was never the big time consumer.
But I did switch jobs at the same time and went from $70k -> $105k a year.
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u/delicious_fanta 5d ago
How do you adapt to being unemployed? It’s not like learning ai is useful, you’re still unemployed.
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u/Ruskihaxor 5d ago
Branding yourself at work as the guy who's obsessed with ai tools and has his finger on the pulse of ai in your industry space will be valuable
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u/HorseLeaf 5d ago
Using Cursor has already doubled my speed. But only in the 10% of my job that is actual programming.
I think it's because at that point I already have the whole code planned out and then it's just typing in characters.
I am impressed by the agents, had a use case where it changed something for me in 3 different files and even updated the tests. It forgot the 4. Place though and I haven't yet had a case where it was faster using agents then doing it myself, but compared to just 1 year ago... Wow.
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u/Glittering-Panda3394 5d ago
I hate how redditors are making fun of artists losing their jobs, until they are getting hit as well. This tech is coming for all our jobs and no coping will stop it...
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u/Azelzer 5d ago
Digital artists tend to be…vocal, in a very particular way. You don’t see translators/interpreters saying that we need to shut down translation software because they want you to pay them and they don’t want you having free tools. And translators were hit by this much earlier than digital artists were (real world artists still haven’t been hit, for what it’s worth).
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u/RitchieRitch62 5d ago
Lots of people casually do digital art, so those hobbyists are all also in the mix of anti-AI protestors. There aren’t many hobbyist translators is my guess
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u/sartres_ 5d ago
Translation also doesn't get included in the cultural idea of Arts, even though at the high end it is one.
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u/AccomplishedIgit 5d ago
I mean digital art was the start of the AI phase, anything that can be generated by a computer can be … generated by a computer
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u/final-draft-v6-FINAL 5d ago
They're not more vocal, there's just a hundred times more commercial creatives than there are translators, so that will produce considerable volume. Software developers could come close to that but they won't complain till it's too late because most of them think they will be one of the few who will come out on top.
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u/Douf_Ocus 5d ago
Manual translation (for books and formal business scenario) is still largely needed. Low-end translators did get hit bad.
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u/longstr1der 5d ago
If AI comes for all of our jobs then who will have money to buy the stuff the AI is producing?
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u/Yuli-Ban ➤◉────────── 0:00 5d ago edited 5d ago
Shitty thing is, AI isn't even good enough yet to justify this. It's certainly competent on some level, but getting rid of an entire professional team the moment AI could code some programs kind of okay is exactly the kind of managerial shortsightedness that could bankrupt them.
Similar reason why I don't join the 'jerk about AI image gen. Not a cool thing to celebrate and gloat about people losing something they're passionate about, especially when the replacement is imperfect and the safety net is nonexistent.
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u/mertats #TeamLeCun 5d ago
I don’t think they got rid of all of their programmers. They had other teams of programmers working on applications, and with the efficiency gains from AI. This team got redundant.
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u/roofitor 5d ago
New grads are going to have one HELL OF A TIME finding work.
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u/mertats #TeamLeCun 5d ago
Unfortunately, I wouldn’t recommend new students to go into CS unless they love CS.
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u/Silver-Chipmunk7744 AGI 2024 ASI 2030 5d ago
Even if they love CS i'm skeptical it's good idea to go in there right now. It's ALREADY very hard for juniors. So if you get your diploma in 3 years i think the prospect will be really awful. At this point a lot of workers will be laid off and will be competing for the few jobs left. Juniors won't stand a chance is my guess.
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u/Redducer 5d ago
On the assumption that the OP’s story is legit, that’s very likely the actual story here. My previous employer did a round of culling last year, on the observation that SWE’s output had about doubled from the adoption of AI for coding but also design work (with notable disparities between teams). Most notably, the time spent making tests was massively reduced (in our specific area those were a huge time sink).
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u/sothatsit 5d ago
They didn't replace them with AI. They replaced them with other teams that use AI. I assume this is based on the idea that this other team is productive enough that they can tackle their own workload plus the workload of the team that was laid off.
It may still be a shortsighted decision, but it is much more justifiable.
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u/Silver-Chipmunk7744 AGI 2024 ASI 2030 5d ago
It may still be a shortsighted decision, but it is much more justifiable.
Is it tho?
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u/HorseLeaf 5d ago
Only about 10% of my job is even programing. Programing is the easy relaxing part. The hard part is figuring out what to build and do it in a way that won't crash our crazily constructed micro service architecture.
Cursor made me twice as fast, but it doesn't really matter much, since that is such a small part of my time spent.
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u/rhade333 ▪️ 5d ago
Yeah, as a Software Engineer, this is just misinformed.
I can absolutely plan out and design using Sonnet 3.7. When I'm starting a new ticket, I give it requirements, have it construct tests.
Vector databases can easily hold huge code bases. Thinking models using this can absolutely respect micro service architecture, and be aware of what's where. If, for some reason it doesn't, and your team is halfway competent, there should be documentation showing inputs and outputs of different system. Give it that context at the beginning of each conversation.
What AI cannot do is getting shorter than what it can do.
9 months ago, we were basically using ChatGPT in a local setting to solve stuff we'd normally check StackOverflow about. Minor problems, bugs, error code.
What we're using AI for now is 95% of the actual coding, that we'll check and sometimes need to re-guide it / make corrections, but also giving it a shot at picking approaches. It is not bad whatsoever at it.
People keep burying their head in the sand, refusing to accept the state of things, talking about how it's a fad, and we're going to see more and more posts like this from people who are simply misinformed.
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u/sothatsit 5d ago edited 5d ago
They are yet to see whether the other team can actually take over the workload of both teams without losing quality. They may be able to just fine, or they may not. Time will tell.
In other words, assuming the AI team is 50% more productive at all tasks related to the workload of both teams is a big assumption. And you'd need a 100% productivity boost if you assume both teams are the same size...
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u/arbiter12 5d ago
dude....300k took a 40% paycut to 180k. Of course they got replaced.
Those salaries are ridiculous enough to justify anything. I'm not speaking out of jealousy, I get paid more than that (in finance, tbh), but 300k/year for a team worker is absurd to justify to the higher-ups when mediocre AI will do 70% of the job for 1% of the price.
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u/Ripolak 5d ago
Lots of missing information in this post. You mentioned that the bank started adopting AI and that your team was let go with your workload being moved to a different team, but not how they actually "replaced" you with AI.
While it's possible that the productivity improvement per dev made it justifiable, we can't infer it just from your post. Can it be that those were "classic" budget cuts or your team's projects being on lower priority? That kind of thing happens all the time, before AI as well.
I'm sorry you lost your job, but I'm legit interested in hearing some more context behind this.
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u/10111011110101 5d ago
Sorry man, that sucks.
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u/Oniroman 5d ago
It’s an April Fool’s post.
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u/MohMayaTyagi ▪️AGI-2027 | ASI-2029 5d ago
Can't confirm the layoff part but everything else checks out. OP's post 9 days ago
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u/Necessary_Image1281 5d ago
The layoff part if true likely has nothing to do with AI as OP themselves admitted a possibility. The management is just bullsh*tting them to get them off their backs.
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u/OSINT_IS_COOL_432 5d ago
Shit. What company?
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u/luke23571113 5d ago
Really? I honestly thought this was a troll post.
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u/Tkins 5d ago
Why? Freelance artists, musicians and writers have been getting hammered by AI for a couple years already. Web Dev, graphic designers, photographers and videographers will be feeling it heavily in the next 6-9 months.
It's pretty obvious other professions are going to go the same way and SWE have a huge target on their backs.
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u/Caffeine_Monster 5d ago
SWE have a huge target on their backs.
Yep, just a sign of things to come. SWE are simply first in queue for the models capable of complex tasks because SWEs are expensive and there is lots of training data available. Pretty much all office only jobs are easier than SWE.
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u/ponieslovekittens 5d ago
Why?
OP claims to have worked at three of the biggest names in AI, companies that are developing AI tools for use by developers, claims to have managed teams of developers...and yet claims to have somehow "never looked into it."
This would be sort of like claiming to have been a manager of streaming services at youtube, rumble, and twitch, but somehow "never looked into" streaming on the web, because you "thought it was a fad."
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u/GalacticAlmanac 5d ago
All three probably each have 40-60k software engineers that work on different things. For example, Google has divisions that focuses on quantum computing that is an area of expertise in a completely different area.
Even if you are within the AI tool divisions, you could be doing the front end or the dev ops work and never really interact much with the service itself.
This would be sort of like claiming to have been a manager of streaming services at youtube, rumble, and twitch, but somehow "never looked into" streaming on the web, because you "thought it was a fad."
That is very possible if say they work on the team that specifically focuses on ad revenue, recommendations, or maybe on the infra, and never interact with any of the customer facing components. And again, based on the role you could be a distributed backend engineer that just solve generic problems.
It's no secret that some roles can be looked as essentially very well paid code janitors, and why people would leave and try to do something more meaningful.
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u/charlyAtWork2 5d ago
This post is 100% bullshit to please an echo-chamber — just whining with zero concrete details.
"Started adopting AI"? That doesn’t mean anything.
Doing what, exactly? Solving which problem?
I could copy-paste the same sentence and replace it with "started adopting MS Word" — it would be just as meaningless.
Unless you explain what AI is doing, for whom, and against what, your complaining sounds fake to me.
The only thing you're actually sharing is your salary, which makes it even weirder.
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u/Nuumet 5d ago
So sorry. Coding is a fantastic skill.
The way our economy works has changed due to hedge funds and venture capitalists who live off of the stock market and not work. In the past a business was seen as good when they were in the black, making a profit. Now a business must increase profit every quarter so their stock goes up, but at some point you reach a ceiling with a product or service improvement. So they turn to lowering expenses that’s why you see quality and quantity of products and services going down. BUT the biggest expense by far is payroll. AI can be an excuse to lay off people or actually replace them.
Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.
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u/ConstructionOwn1514 5d ago
forgive me if this is a dumb question but OP appears to have only 3 posts and a couple comments, how is it possible to get 12k karma without posting more?
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u/stprnn 5d ago
I'm sorry but no fucking way 10 people are replaced by ai.
Its the popular excuse but u don't buy that for a second.
A dev team? No fucking way. They probably just hired an Indian company in your place.
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u/JimboyXL 5d ago
don't think in "software development" anymore. Think at finding solutions with every other ways possible.
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u/Specialist_Nobody530 5d ago
As another comment mentioned, it might very well simply be time to include AI into your skill set—that is if you want to continue computer science. The truth of a lot of these cases seems to be that most everyone is fired except for the one guy who fully embraced AI. Even if that one guy wasn’t the best programmer, AI was simply so effective, so imagine how effective the best programmer could be with the newest tools.
It might just be an unfortunate case of ‘if you can’t beat them, join them,’ but if a nearly 200K salary and doing what one loves is on the line, then let us become the newest thing.
Additionally, a new competitive trait is now opening up in that of how well one is able to prompt/coordinate with AI, so this skill set may become the new one to target.
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u/Axel292 5d ago
LARPer.
Absolute nonsense. 300k to 180k paycut, and apparently a big bank laid off developers and analysts to replace them with AI. Well done dude, totally believable.
Just another person trying to drum up attention with a shocking headline. Do you guys remember the post a couple months ago about a "professional novelist" talking about how his career was done? Utter bullshit.
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u/ThenExtension9196 5d ago
Bot. Your post history makes no sense.
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u/Sad_Efficiency69 5d ago
yep clearly fake account, as in not a real person and the stories are fake. some weird astroturfing backhanded way of promoting AI
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u/yurqua8 5d ago
Well, you can start cooking your April 1st post in advance, can't you?
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u/besabestin 5d ago
This post is absolute bs. Or just realize the bank just wanted to let devs go. AI is just the cover.
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u/pianoceo 5d ago edited 5d ago
Guys. Isn’t this is a bot? I’m seeing more and more of these users on Reddit. Easy to spot: user name is usually two random words, separated by a hyphen followed by a four digit number. Unless it’s some new naming system for new users, I believe it’s shit stirring bots.
Edit: apparently it’s system assigned names to new users who can’t be bothered creating their own name. May or may not be spam.
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u/fujimonster 5d ago
AI didn’t replace you , as someone who was laid off from a horse drawn bank . You were let go and to be replaced by off shore , I 100% guarantee it . They can get 5 mediocre to low level engineers from their offshore division ( yes, they have one ) . No benefits , 401k, etc . You just got to expensive , plain and simple . It sucks , good luck in your search !
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u/BK_317 5d ago
fake af,dont fall for this BS
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u/eoten 5d ago
Hmmm he made a post 44 days ago when he was working at the bank before he got fired, it does kinda sound fake tbh, but I’m not sure because of that post he made.
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u/aaronilai 5d ago
The account seems artificially inflated, sketchy also, cause look at the comment history and comment karma, not congruent at all, or maybe is an update issue but 1 post a month ago, one some days ago, three scattered comments and 13k karma for comments and posts seems sus.
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u/HugeDramatic 5d ago
I don’t believe AI is the reason for this. I’m not aware of any major enterprises using AI to replace dev teams. Certainly lots of offshoring going on though.
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u/Crowley-Barns 5d ago
They said another dev team took on their role. It’s not so much being replaced by AI, as being replaced by other engineers who have become more productive utilizing AI.
If it can increase productivity by ten percent you can cut the workforce by ten percent. (Or give your workers ten percent more work for the same pay…)
A lot of people are reporting productivity gains significantly higher than ten percent.
It might be that they had ten teams and folded the work into five or something like that.
Like when a factory replaces twenty workers with two workers and a machine.
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u/CyanHirijikawa 5d ago
I don't believe it, most people aren't capable of using a.i to its potential
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u/ShameAffectionate15 5d ago
holy shit imagine being so low that you made up an entire post of lies.
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u/Weary-Fix-3566 5d ago
I have a good job. I'm predicting my job will be gone in 2 to 5 years. I'm saving like crazy.
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u/Bitter-Good-2540 5d ago
The real reason: part of your work load goes to other teams, the rest to India, cause cheaper lol
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u/Long-Presentation667 5d ago
Off topic but I know this is singularity related but why does it feel like this is just the official AI sub? is there another singularity sub where they only talk about the singularity?
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u/Happysedits 5d ago edited 5d ago
If this isn't fake: AI isn't at autonomous software engineering level yet. They did really premature thing that will backfire. You can get job security by learning to use AI, as it wont work by itself.
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u/raviteja777 5d ago
Surprising that a bank did it. In my experience banks are slow to adopt things, even if they do - they would throughly test it and always have a back up because of several compliances and also they cant afford to take risks.
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u/mihaicl1981 5d ago
Replacement with ai is not yet possible.
Replacement with other team that is more effective (due to Ai) is possible.
I am still struggling on complex stuff with Claude 3.7 so I know it is fun.
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u/ponieslovekittens 5d ago
...how exactly did work at "google, meta and amazon" as a software engineer having "never looked into" AI? Nine years after the release of Tensorflow, and you worked at google...but you thought it was a fad? How exactly did you manage to avoid using your employers own tools?
Press X to doubt.
Genuinely no clue what I'm going to do.
Well, given how many different companies you claim to have worked for, clearly you must already know the routine. I'm sure as a "FAANG developer" the recruiters were already calling you every few weeks trying to poach you anyway.
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u/Zer0D0wn83 5d ago
This is just not true. We are an AI company with several AI specialists on the team, and we are still hiring senior engineers. We have the expertise on the team to automate with AI as much as is currently possible, but still can't do without good engineers.
Junior jobs are disappearing for sure, but there is still a lot of work out there for good seniors. All you need to do is search your local job board and you can see that OP is full of shit
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u/Oquendoteam1968 5d ago
With all that experience, did you not know or do you know the strengths and weaknesses of AI? You necessarily know more than we do. It sounds strange.
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u/Grinning_Sun 5d ago
You gotta learn now how to utilize AI now and to work with it, not against it. It's like mowing the lawn with a machine, or using a scythe.
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u/Matshelge ▪️Artificial is Good 5d ago
Today is the best time to star using AI, except for 2 years ago when it first arrived.
Coding with AI is not at all like coding yourself, but if you get a good flow going, velocity is crazy. When you land your next job, leverage the ability to code side by side with AI, but that you have a background in planning, and code review that stretches back. These are the skills that you currently can't get with AI and are worth having.
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u/Apprehensive_Win662 5d ago
Somehow hard to believe that a BANK let SE's go for new and un-evaluated ai agent hype.
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u/NaughtyPwny 5d ago
This guys post history is hilarious. Telling people how being at FAANG wasn’t worth it because of reasons including layoffs, saying how it’s amazing that’s he’s at this new big bank job where he only has to work 30 hours (I work in tech at a big 4 bank and if we noticed someone was only outputting 30 hours of work we’d be like what’s his problem?), and then getting laid off himself at his somehow improved position. Jeez Louise, peak Reddit. I honestly don’t believe any of it.
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u/Wyrade 5d ago
Software engineering is definitely not dead, and will not be dead for a very long time either.
Even if AI gets much better than it currently is, someone will still have to be able to define proper inputs and mostly understand outputs, which normal people will be just as useless at as they currently are.
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u/Broad_Tea3527 5d ago
Freelance, contracts, get some friends together and do it yourself. Leverage AI to fill the gaps.
I no longer trust working for any CEO or place that has hierarchies. If they come back you bill them you contractor rate which is usually 3-4 times more than whatever they were paying you before.
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u/SalamanderOk4402 5d ago
We are moving into the timeline of The Jetsons with a side of basic income.
My advice to you is to stay away from Red Hat/IBM. Please read between the lines of the last statement. My hubby has been unemployed for almost a year. It's like every job out there is a ghost listing. He has AI certifications from Carnegie Mellon in AI.
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u/iboughtarock 5d ago
You thought AI was a fad and worked in computer science and in FAANG? Jesus man. Talk about being out of reality. They didn't mention transformers or anything while you were in school? Didn't talk about AI in the 90's with DeepBlue? Did your coworkers ever even talk about it? I find this so hard to believe.
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u/General_Squash_4831 5d ago
Imagine being a software engineer and not seeing the AI revolution coming...
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u/FloppySlapper 5d ago
I can certainly sympathize with where you're coming from. I wrote my first computer program when I was about six and have been interested in computers and programming ever since.
I started making my way out of the field before AI came on the scene, when I saw more and more projects being shipped overseas and when I saw how incompetent most of the managers were, and how they liked to implement management policies like Agile which were just ways for them to micromanage things and to make it seem like they were actually doing something.
I still have my passion for computers and know a handful of the modern programming languages, occasionally writing little tools for myself, but every time I think about getting back into the industry I'm reminded of how bad the management is and now what a big impact AI is having on things.
So, I continue on with other work instead.
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u/CacheProphet 5d ago
We've had to remind our organization that there will be two types of engineers. Those who use AI and those who don't. Be on the right side.
To that, we've set up workshops so people can learn from each other how to use the AI tools the company has already paid for to be more efficient. As people share how they've used the tools, more people are adopting. There are certainly limits of what AI can help with today, but save an hour here, 10 minutes there, a day here, it all adds up.
Given we are not going to be able to hire more in this economic uncertainty, we need people to be more efficient.
Though we still struggle to figure out how to measure coding productivity improvement using these tools, but we are getting testimonials from our staff that it does help. We always have more work than people needed, so we don't see this as a way to reduce staff, just help them do more in the same time.
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u/BylliGoat 5d ago
I'm about to graduate with my CS degree later this year. I feel like all the planes just left the terminal and I'm not even finished packing my bags.