There's a reason 49/50 states shifted red, and it's not because people voted for Trump. The only one that didn't was 100% mail in ballots (Washington).
I'm wondering if they planned to steal the election in 2020 but were thwarted by the necessity of mail in ballots, which is why they raised such a stink about them. Adds another notch into the "democrat incompetence/complicity" column as well that we switched back from the obviously superior mail in ballots in 2024
They literally attempted an insurrection and then realized their base was to incompetent to navigate the Capitol building alone. It was pathetic, as far as coups go that could have gone flawlessly but they were literally just too fucking dumb to manage it.
They 100% attempted to do this in 2020, and then spent four years crying steal to overly satiate the term, forcing other people to defend the election integrity,so to the general public so that it sounds fucking stupid and can be dismissed without concern because it's already been discussed and defended.
Some of the data analysts went back and looked to see if there was potential shenanigans and apparently? There was near as they could tell, but obviously not to the degree that it was this time.
Yeah, they suddenly had a major hard on for people to vote by mail in this election. Remember when mail-in voting was the direct work of Satan in 2020? I'm assuming that between 2020 and 2024, they found a better way to falsify the mail-in results.
I’ve said that from the beginning as well. I genuinely expected FL to have a chance at going blue, but the historically blue district Miami-Dade went red… plus there’s been some weird data related to the abortion amendment they almost passed and the presidential numbers. And FL specifically wouldn’t allow federal election officials in to monitor voting… but yeah, everything seems fine, definitely free and fair
There were so many people believing that Florida was gonna go blue this time. But look at who’s running it and then look at Ron Johnson, etc.? And pervert Hoover lives in that state? Something is way off. Right along with the abortion vote. It was supposedly just shy of 60%? Florida and Texas were the only two states that refused any kind of federal oversight in regards to the election
Idr the specifics, but she is the most accurate pollster in America, she's never been this wrong, or even close. Idr her prediction but I just have a bad memory, so no expectation to remember, but I remember she said Iowa would flip blue.
The event that commenter is referring to is that a Democrat just won a senate seat in Iowa that Trump supposedly won by +22 points which is still just an insane number for anyone to get.
Some of the data analyst have gone over this and said that more than likely? He attempted to cheat back in 2020 and it just didn’t go quite the way he wanted it to. That’s why he was probably screaming so much about it being “rigged “because he couldn’t believe that he didn’t win
People always mention Biden’s numbers jumping but they never mention trump’s magically jumping to 70 something million from 2016, despite him having a horrendous approval rating.
Definitely. Mail-in voting was where they couldn't cheat. No surprise that they lost 2020 because most people who would normally vote in person voted by mail. Also the reason why they demonized mail-in voting so much in 2024.
No way my county in Florida turned red. It's been Blue the whole time I've voted, 30 years now. We have a fucking married lesbian Mayor, a huge Pride parade, a fucking gay Halloween party. No fucking way we went red
See, I actually believe that. They had a lot of golf cart parades for him. I don't think they padded those numbers because they assumed the Villages was already for him.
Hasidic Jews are single issue voters at the federal level (Israel). It’s not surprising at all they voted overwhelmingly for Trump. The rabbi here probably told everyone to vote for Trump and whoever they want down ballot.
I mean, the addresses of everyone in that voting precinct are posted online. You could always send them letters asking if they think more than 2 people voted for Harris.
Geez…. We all know that’s not true. Someone needs to go interview residents and once you find 3 people who confirm they voted for Harris you got a case. This is ridiculous!!!
This city is central west New York and has a population of 150,000, 69%being white and 13% Hispanic. Household income a tad over $60,000. 43% of households have minor children. Pictures make it appear like a lovely place to live. They do have an active Hasidic Jewish population. No way only 2 votes for Kamala.
Haredi Jews (of all sects) are super conservative and voted for Trump at incredibly high rates, with some polls showing between 75% and 85% Republican in their communities, and well over 90% in Hasidic communities in particular — Kiryas Joel, one of the most prominent Hasidic enclaves, went 98% for Trump in 2020 and in 2024. Unfortunately, results like these are absolutely possible in heavily Orthodox areas like Ramapo, Monsey, Kiryas Joel, etc. They also tend to be anti-vax, against public education (their kids go to yeshivas), and the small amount of non-local news they actually get is filtered because it all has to be translated into Yiddish and they just won't translate things that align poorly with their views.
Haredi Jews are a minority in America (although their communities have insanely rapid growth because they pump out so many kids). Most American Jews are Reform or Conservative, or else modern Orthodox, which are all way more liberal than Haredi Judaism, and they tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat. But when you boil down to these tiny pockets of hyper-religious sects, the results align with those beliefs.
Silver lining: these communities also rely heavily on public welfare programs, since they have so many kids and so many unemployed adults (the men spend their time studying religious texts and the women are constantly popping out babies). I can't imagine they'll be pleased when suddenly none of them have any income.
For Gillibrand's win, I can't say. I don't live in New York and I don't actually know any Haredim, so I have no clue whether she did something specific to court them, if the GOP candidate said or did something to piss them off, or whether it was just incumbent advantage. Sorry I don't know more.
The person above you said 69 percent is Haredi Jews, so if true it would be 70 to 98 percent of that 69 percent voted for Trump. That still leaves 30 percent almost who isn't a Haredi Jew. It also is weird because a large number of people voted for the other Democrat on the ballot but not Harris.
Agreed. And people I know there say that many of the Hasidim declare their homes to be "temples" and thus get out of paying property taxes that would otherwise be like $12-20,000/year. And they get on the public school boards, DEFUND them, and (as you noted) send their kids to private schools, while taking advantage of EVERY form of public assistance possible.
"...central west New York?" What are you talking about? Ramapo is in Rockland County, NY and is 30 miles due north of NYC. West(ern) New York state is where Buffalo is....
Biden:Harris we’re always very accommodating to the Jewish community. I know Trump and Netanyahu are comrades and wannabe kings, but I just can’t believe only 2 votes for Harris . Especially since Gillibrand got 909 votes? Math ain’t mathing
On a map, only NYC, Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse Rochester (and maybe Binghamton) show up as "blue" voters. Blue dots in a sea of red ignorance. But only two votes for Harris? No fucking way....
Actually quite a lot of upstate NY is conservative. The reason it's a blue state is because of NYC, just like the reason Illinois is a blue state is because of Chicago. When I lived in Chicago I avoided leaving more than roughly 5 miles outside the the city limits because I'm not white and the rest of Illinois is conservative.
Alright, everybody in the country that voted for Harris just get together in DC and we will count off like it’s high school gym class getting ready to pick dodgeball teams.
It’ll be great. Make a whole day of it, see the sights, save the country, prevent WW3, bring back the democratic social contract, you know all the things people do with ~90 million of their closest friends.
Go look at the town of Palm Tree voting. Also, go there and interview people. It will be hilarious. Just make sure you wear long sleeves, long skirts or pants, cover your neckline, and maintain gender separation while doing it.
Why does that sound like bullshit? So that data is telling me that 951 voted for the Dem, but 988 voted for Trump...Soo like 30 only voted Trump and nothing else?
This a town, not a county. Its county, Rockland, went for Biden in 2020. The winning candidate in Rockland County has been the same as the overall winner since 1980. Trump supposedly won in 2024 by the largest margin in that county since 1988.
I think the margin that Trump supposedly won by in 2024 is suspicious, but considering that the winner of the presidential race in this county has been the same person as the winner of the entire country in all presidential races since 1980, then it's not super suspicious. Dont get me wrong, I 100% think he stole this past election, but I wouldn't point to these results from the town of Ramapo as proof.
This isn’t even the worst idea honestly. This would be really easy to start having this run up the flagpole IF we could find some Harris voters.
I honestly wonder if we couldn’t organize a FB group and/or use our various networks to outreach
Holy shit. He TRIED to cheat in 2020, it didn’t work so he cried foul and it was successful this time. He said it was fraud because HIS fraud didn’t work.
Exactly. It was the mail in ballots they couldn’t fuck with. That was why he attacked that voting method repeatedly and it pushed Biden over the threshold in the end. I remember watching videos of people in PA gathering and chanting count every vote. I think Biden won by more than what we’re told he did. Thats also why if you look at the election truth alliance data the mail in voting looks normal but early vote and Election Day vote does not.
Edit to correct myself the eta said Election Day looked normal. It was the early vote that had irregularities.. i remember they specifically commented on Harris dominating exit poll in the early vote
I think Trump is a vile POS *and* that Musk altered the tabulators (see Spoonamore), but in this case, it just looks like Ramapro has some odd precincts....
2020 results were very similar w some precints even more off balanced (#35, #58 and #98).
[Couldn't find 2016 results, so that may be worth looking at just for reference]
FWIW, voting was also almost all (95%) in person in 2024 in these districts...
It’s common for this area, someone made a really detailed post but it boils down to that this area is all Religious and happens to be UO Jews all it takes is ONE rabbi to tell them how to vote and that’s what they’ll do.
What happened to them saying they were going to have lawyers at every polling station to make sure there was no cheating???? People had been sounding the alarm. Rachel
Maddow did a whole segment on it. WTF
If you look at 2020, it's very similar. People in the New York subreddit are saying this is a heavily Jewish population, and people vote based on who the Rabbi instructs them to.
Ramapo 55 is in New Square, NY, an exclusively Hasidic village. They voted Gillibrand because of AIPAC (she got like $400K from them) but this is out of line with nearby Monsey, which is Hasidic and went Republican all the way down the ballot. Kaser, another Hasidic village, is entirely encompassed by Monsey and looks just like New Square.
I understand they vote for whomever rebbe tells them to but there are several hundred registered democrats in this precinct.
And FWIW, Palm Tree/Kiryas Joel, in Orange County, which voted very similarly, has a whole section on election fraud on its Wikipedia page.
So, yes, religion can explain some of it. I think religion is also being used to cover it up. I have no doubt in my mind that there is corruption at play here.
So, yes, religion can explain some of it. I think religion is also being used to cover it up. I have no doubt in my mind that there is corruption at play here.
At the very least, religious organizations are supposed to stay apolitical or else lose their tax-exempt status.
These guys vote in lockstep with their rabbi. This particular rabbi endorsed Trump and Gillibrand, and guys the next town over likely went straight GOP. Not uncommon at all in this area of NY.
Yes, that is what I said, is it not? I think that explains part of it but not all of it. There was much more variation to the Senate vote than the pres vote.
Yup! Though it's been much harder for me to lock that down in Lancaster PA because it doesn't appear there are Amish-specific precincts like there are Hasidic-specific in NY and NJ.
Several comments on the original post say that this is an unusual population in how they vote, so we should compare prior years, and if it seems unusual, ask people who live there
The people who live here don't even speak English, lol, they speak Yiddish. This is a totally alien universe to 99% of Americans so I'm not surprised people are confused, but this is relatively normal for Hasidic Jews in NY.
This is a small enough number of people and such an extreme one-sidedness that someone should go and canvas the area and survey who voted for whom. If you find more than 20 or so people who say they voted for Harris I think that would be noteworthy. Doubly so if you can get them to sign a sworn affidavit.
I say 20 to account for people who lie about voting at all and those lying about whom they voted for.
I know nothing about programming or comp sci. But even I can see there is a pattern: target “blue” areas; whatever the vote proportion dem/rep in down ballot race (which will lean, at least, dem), flip it and boost rep portion and diminish dem proportion to seal the deal.
It’s referred to as the “Russian Tail.” The reprogrammed tabulators add more votes for the preferred candidate as the software detects high vote totals. The skewed bell curve shows a much higher total for the winning candidate. Coincidentally, this is exactly what we saw in Nov. Trump precincts and counties saw far higher “turnout” than expected and the pundits simply dismissed it as higher turnout for Trump amongst his base. That’s why they dismissed Clark County.
Ramapo #55 is New Square, an all-Hasidic village that votes as a bloc for whoever the local rabbi tells them to. Clinton won the same town by 96% in 2016 because Bill pardoned some men from there charged with fraud back in 2000. The practice is well documented and has its own Wikipedia page
After reading into the comments and looking at past elections for Ramapo, this is nothing new. It appears to be a big religious bloc that all votes the same regardless of R or D. Whatever will work with them locally is who they vote for.
The people in this precinct are quite literally illiterate and speak Yiddish (not English). The odds that any of them are in this subreddit are approx. 0%.
I searched through the Ramapo data as well and it took me less than 5 minutes of scrolling to identify several Ramapo precincts that display the exact same behavior shown here.
Ramapo 35, 55, 58, 95, 97, 98, 117, and 118.
Ramapo 45 and 109 are also suspect, but less blatant.
That’s way off to no be suspicious. It’s like walking in on your friend with a mouthful of French fries and asking “what happened to muuhhh freedom fries??”
This community votes as a block to whoever their rabbi says. Downvote me if you wish but look it up first. You see this with previous election results as well.
The original thread OP linked has many comments saying this, but this sub has such a bad problem with confirmation bias that hardly anyone actually looks into the details of this precinct.
Maybe you should take a step back and understand not everything is a red flag, and when you make baseless accusations like this it's counterproductive.
I know this has been shared already, but I finally read this and thought it was strong evidence.
Clark County, NV: This analysis is of the official Cast Vote Record (CVR) data released by the Clark County Elections Department . It is a detailed document showing all the Mail-In, Early, and Election Day votes in the county.
https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis
Do you know any people there or a social media site they may use where the question could be asked "if you were one of the 909 people in the town who voted for the Democrat Senate candidate Gillibrand, can you share with us any insight you might have on the reason(s) only 2 people out of the 909 voted for Democrat President candidate Harris?"
Attorney general of Texas admitted in a video to suppressing mail in ballots, and said that if they had allowed those “illegal ballots” Harris would have won Texas
He says that it was a concentrated effort across the country to suppress mail in votes, and in texas alone if they had been forced to count those ballots for just one county, Harris would have won texas. 2.5 million mail in ballots suppressed in a SINGLE county in Texas alone.
That’s the topic that comes up in a lot of these forms. In Arizona and in Nevada? There are more votes for him than there. Are people actually voting. Go look for. @davidmanasco in here in the something is wrong 2024 group
I think they know he didn't win. They also know that requesting a recount or suggesting it was rigged would cause a civil war and sow distrust in the government forever. I think they also know he will absolutely destroy the economy and do a terrible job. This will lead to him losing a lot of his non cult voters who will be hurt by his policies. This needs to happen for people to see who the GOP is. This can help flip both house and senate in midterms.I am hoping they put enough safe guards in place to prevent him from demolishing the constitution and becoming a dictator. I could be wrong, and the Democrats could just be spineless cowards, but i pray that isn't the case. Only time will tell.
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I know it's kinda moot since she won NY, but people still wanna say this was a fair election?