The wrong views we hold

[u/III_Inwardtrance_III]

I see so often that good and evil don't matter and it's just our perspective which could be true yeah. But then yesterday I was reading the manual of insight and saw this. Pretty interesting what the Buddha actually was saying. Im excited to keep reading. There was quite a few examples of people who did nothing but work their whole life and live normal and hear one verse and it liberates them. Some even lived immoral and changed right before death and became liberated.

“Defilement obstacle” (kilesantarāya) refers to three types of wrong views: the wrong view that there is no good or evil (akiriyadiṭṭhi)—the idea that actions do not become good or evil and do not lead to good or evil results;

the wrong view that everything is cut off or comes to an end when a being dies (natthikadiṭṭhi)—the idea that no further existence will occur after death and that there are no good or evil results that come from good or evil actions;

and the wrong view that volitional action does not produce good or evil results (ahetukadiṭṭhi)—the idea that happiness and suffering arise by themselves without causes.

Of these three views, the first denies that effects have causes, the second denies that causes have effects, and the third denies both. So the three kinds of wrong view deny the law of cause and effect.

If one holds steadfastly to any of these three types of wrong view, they are said to have steadfast wrong views (niyatamicchādiṭṭhi) and are bound to be reborn in the lower world immediately after death. Thus these views are an obstacle to celestial rebirth and path knowledge and fruition knowledge.

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[u/medbud]

I think the terms good and evil here, are slightly abstract translations of the terms kusala and akusala, which can be understood as skillful and unskilful, in terms of wisdom... Minimising dukkha or not.

I've been reading the dhammapada, and it is full of stories like you mention...'upon hearing the discourse the person attains sotapanna'. But not always! Hehe.

[u/eudoxos_]

Is this an invitation to discussion , or what exactly? This sub's description: "A place of open, friendly and serious *discussion*". There is an increasing frequency of unidirectional posts such as this one. Where are the mods?