Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak says Tesla ‘is the worst in the world’ at improving its technology for drivers

[u/AlwaysBlaze_]

https://fortune.com/2025/03/07/steve-wozniak-says-tesla-is-worst-at-improving-driver-tech/

[u/obiwankenobisan3333]

The Great and Powerful Woz!!

[u/AnybodyMassive1610 → u/[deleted]]

Wait, he will start insulting and threatening next.

His thin skin can’t take much damage and then he starts calling people pedos or worse…

[u/Twoje → u/[deleted]]

Anyone who still supports Elon would probably support him over even Trump at this point. These freaks have no moral compass or principles.

[u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus → u/Twoje]

They have something even greater:

The blinding, unwavering belief that they are just one idea/chance away from being a billionaire.

[u/NeoIsJohnWick → u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus]

His fans are the most insane ‘dickriders’ I have ever seen on the internet.

[u/wbmcl → u/NeoIsJohnWick]

I commented on a YouTube video of him stammering and awkwardly pausing in an answer to a question, and ooo boy, did the Musk rats leap to his defense.

[u/ElBarbas → u/NeoIsJohnWick]

“ u are just jealous ! “

[u/LackSchoolwalker → u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus]

A significant fraction of his followers are just his alt accounts.

[u/pizquat → u/LackSchoolwalker]

And bots. Seems he has bots on Reddit too. Probably thousands of them.

[u/duckliin → u/LackSchoolwalker]

its grok using all them accounts

[u/minuetteman → u/Yabba_Dabba_Doofus]

And all they need is an uber rich daddy…

[u/nimbusnacho → u/[deleted]]

Do the children who Elon musk pied pipered even know who woz is?

[u/So-Called_Lunatic → u/nimbusnacho]

And Elon didn't even create middle out compression.

[u/Ill_Technician3936 → u/nimbusnacho]

I'm going to go on a limb and say they know nothing about him or even Steve Jobs.

They probably own one of every apple product though.

[u/conquer69 → u/[deleted]]

I hope he doesn't. That would put Woz life at risk. Plenty of unhinged Elon lovers out there.

[u/PointlessTrivia → u/[deleted]]

He went and queued with the Apple fans at my local Apple store for the release of the iPhone 5.

[u/IHadThatUsername → u/AnybodyMassive1610]

I'm betting he will probably imply Jobs was the genius with the great ideas and Woz was just doing what he told him to, or something along those lines. Maybe sprinkle a little "he hasn't done anything relevant in decades". People will eat it up.

[u/brutinator → u/IHadThatUsername]

Id be surprised if he hasnt already. People like Woz DITECTLY undermine the mythos that people like Musk try to project.

[u/brontosaurusguy → u/IHadThatUsername]

He probably thinks woz is a "beta" for not using his apple money to overthrow Western democracies

[u/foghillgal → u/AnybodyMassive1610]

He’s insulted  astronauts in orbit calling them « Retard » so anything is possible from Musky 

[u/sol119 → u/AnybodyMassive1610]

He may even block Woz on xitter

[u/DA_CYBER_POLICE → u/sol119]

His account did get blocked. From his bluesky account: link

[u/Fit-Significance-436 → u/AnybodyMassive1610]

Exactly, first will be Elon’s personal attacks on Woz, then Elon and apparatus will try to demonize and rewrite history….then onto Apple, rinse repeat, then magically trump administration policies that hamper Apple or undercut them competitively, this is their tired script

[u/placed446 → u/Fit-Significance-436]

you couldn't be more right! exactly!

[u/PurpleSailor → u/AnybodyMassive1610]

Then challenge Woz to a fight and then chicken out.

[u/moarclamsecks → u/PurpleSailor]

LMAO yes he challenges anyone who makes him feel threatened to a fight, then promptly backs down with his tail between his legs if they call his bluff.

[u/Teledildonic → u/moarclamsecks]

I'll gladly challenge him to a "who can do more Ketamine on Mars" contest and then concede as soon as his rocket leaves the launch pad.

[u/Ufocola → u/[deleted]]

Has Musk ever tried to engage Woz in the past?

The one person (at least from what I’ve seen on Reddit, I don’t follow Twitter/X) that Musk seemed to constantly simp in the past is Stephen King. And King hates the guy and constantly dunks on him.

[u/SloppySkates → u/Ufocola]

He will now. Just like the diver who saved those kids he will be compelled to badmouth Wozniak because he didn't praise him. Classic narcissist bullshit.

[u/whatisthishownow → u/SloppySkates]

I'd love to see him try. In terms of accomplishment, woz is one of the undisputed all time OG tech GOATS. Character wise he's got a 50 year record as a public figure and a 100% top rated unblemished character.

[u/gaslacktus → u/whatisthishownow]

Woz is basically Tech Tom Bombadil.

[u/shroudedwolf51 → u/whatisthishownow]

As long as it has been since his last major work, there's very much a possibility that many of the sycophants that follow people like musk and trump do not know who Wozniak is and will not care.

[u/Ironcastattic → u/Ufocola]

Stephen King singlehandedly got Musk to slash that stupid price of X in half. And he still got told to fuck off.

[u/Retro-scores → u/[deleted]]

Woz is infinitely more intelligent than musk. Dude created PC from a box of scraps in his garage!

[u/AnybodyMassive1610 → u/Retro-scores]

Woz designed chips and computers in a spiral notebook… by hand…

Woz is an actual engineer (not a physics/econ dude cosplaying as one) who did drop out with Jobs to run Apple but then went back and finished his degree.

[u/PointlessTrivia → u/AnybodyMassive1610]

He worked out a way to produce color video without the expense of a color video circuit by using thin vertical lines that the TV interpreted as color signals.

He also was able to design a radically simplified disk controller for the apple II using only 8 commodity computer chips.

[u/Ok_Turnover_1235 → u/AnybodyMassive1610]

Another nice factoid about him is he actually helped apple launch financially by improving chips produced by Intel (iirc) and receiving a $ bonus for each improvement he could make. They had an open bounty on chip designs and Wozniak absolutely dominated that shit.

[u/izerth → u/Ok_Turnover_1235]

Atari, not Intel, and redesigning Pong to use less chips. And Woz didn't do it to "help", Job's lied that the bounty was $700 and gave him "half" when the actual bonus was $5,000.

[u/ECrispy → u/izerth]

Was Jobs ever not a piece of shit asshole? Amazing how he's still worshipped

[u/gaqua → u/ECrispy]

Jobs was a tremendous piece of shit.

He was also a brilliant product marketing mind.

These are not mutually exclusive. You have to give him both the credit and the blame. He had a way of knowing how a customer would react to things. He saw far ahead of the products of next year and looked into 5 and 10 years.

He didn’t engineer them, he didn’t personally design the CAD for them or the logos for them. He had real genius people for that. Jony Ive, etc.

What he did do is cut through the fat to realize what people would want.

He didn’t invent the MP3 player but he did realize the biggest problem was the music. While a geek like me had no problem finding or ripping MP3s the iTunes Store was the killer app.

The iPhone and the App Store followed later and completely changed the phone industry. Did he invent it? No, but he directed its creation extremely closely.

He had a vision for these things and the way they would be marketed - what problems people had that they didn’t even know they had. And he deserves the full credit for that.

He was also a lying, thieving, manipulative piece of shit. And he deserves the blame for that, too. He was both things.

[u/ECrispy → u/gaqua]

this is a bit of revisionist history that gives him a lot of credit he doesn't deserve.

lets start with Mac or specifically Lisa, and then MacOS. Jobs basically stole everything as is from Parc and freely admits it. Even then, it was a niche computer that has nothing to do with the personal computer revolution - that happened because of IBM making the pc spec open, and Bill Gates writing DOS - at this point people will trot out the story about copying cp/m etc, but forget that Gates wrote the first compiler/os without owning any hardware, purely from manuals, and it worked.

Blackberry/Palm and others had all the essentials of the ihone in place including the UI. People forget that Jobs had no clue about the app store and in fact hated the idea of apps and the first iphone had none besides html pages. All that is from other people. And literally every single thing he said - about not wanting bigger screens, control center, notifications, customization etc, all of it was wrong - the history of the iPhone/iOS is basically copying Android 2 years later with more polish and more lockdown.

Lets not forget years of pc vs apple lies which continue to this day in their misleading graphs at wwdc. The biggest innovation from Apple was M1 silicon.

Everything else is down to 2 things - fantastic marketing and a tiny audience which allowed them to basically not care about backward compatibility and revise their APIs every few years.

Apple is a premium brand that normalized $1000 phones and is responsible for every single bad trend - locked down phones, no sd cards or replaceable batteries, metal bodies, Macbooks which were no more rugged than a Thinkpad etc.

Remember Jobs wanted no right to repair, no user serviceable components from the very beginning, the whole brand is based on being as user unfriendly as possible.

Without Jobs the tech landscape would look very similar as far as pcs/smartphones or probably much better.

In the server space, where actually 90% of technology matters, Apple, unlike every other tech giant, is a nonentity. Apple's services are a joke compared to say Google/MS/Amazon, in places where they do exists, like their Maps/Mail etc.

Its a consumer company and Job's biggest and only contribution was realizing how to market the same tech at obscene markup by adding a bit of spit and polish, locking it all down, and charging 2x for it by making it aspirational and lying about the competition.

Its a playbook thats been followed many times by other products like Tesla

[u/_ryuujin_ → u/ECrispy]

this is the correct take. the one thing apple does well was to market a product as expensive, and elite. cook changed that a little and allowed the poors to have a little taste also.

[u/Retro-scores → u/Ok_Turnover_1235]

He’s a lifelong employee also. $50 per week salary.

[u/HalfCareless3347 → u/Retro-scores]

OG Tony Stark?...if the iron man suit was a metaphor for the PC

[u/ChicagoAuPair → u/HalfCareless3347]

I’ve seen Woz riding around on segways mostly. It’s hilarious, but he gets to do whatever the fuck he wants to do.

[u/EB01 → u/ChicagoAuPair]

Like be on the Board of Advisers for SEV (Scott-e-Vest) aka geeky tech clothing with a lot of pockets

https://www.scottevest.com/pages/sev-team

(I have bought more than a few SEV vests in the past)

[u/[deleted] → u/Retro-scores]

"OK, I'm here. What do I have to work with?"

"A Crisco can, WD-40, duct tape, and five red Twizzlers."

"Hold my pocket protector."

[u/bilyl → u/Retro-scores]

Woz is the real iron man

[u/dismayhurta → u/[deleted]]

Probably call him a loser nobody has heard of and then rant that Apple computers didn’t do anything blah blah.

Typical loser ketamine abuser narcissist behavior

[u/Grubsex → u/dismayhurta]

Typical Nazi shit

[u/wggn → u/[deleted]]

Tomorrow he will remove the Tesla app from the appstore.

[u/s3rila → u/[deleted]]

He will insult him

[u/gaqua → u/obiwankenobisan3333]

I saw Woz at the Silver Legacy in Reno once. Standing behind him in line to check in, just like he was a regular guy. No VIP line, no fancy personal assistant. Just him and (I assume) his wife standing there waiting their turn. This was maybe 6-7 years ago max.

I wanted to say something to him but it was kinda late and I had my kids with me, they were small at the time. I didn’t want to ditch my kids to my wife so I could bother Steve Wozniak.

But, I mean, there he was. WOZ! The guy who put computers in my school in Cupertino in the 80s. The guy who designed PCBs. The guy who stood up to Jobs and called him out when he was wrong. The guy who fought for his coworkers fair pay.

I had read his book. I had driven down a street named after him. And there I was, ten feet away. I had to do something right?

So when he’d finished checking in and turned around, I made the briefest of eye contact, and I gave him a thumbs up.

I immediately regretted it. “So fucking lame. So stupid.” I thought. “A THUMBS UP? What is this a Mentos ad?”

And he maintained eye contact, moved his jacket to his other arm, and then gave me a huge cheesy grin and a thumbs up back.

This was my favorite celebrity interaction of all time.

[u/greenberet112 → u/gaqua]

At least you made a gesture and got a response.

I was going to see one of my favorite metalcore bands and we were getting drinks. I turned around and saw this huge guy, from my favorite band. My friend just went with me and liked heavy music and drinking, but not this specific band. I said "That's Andy Williams from Every Time I Die" he asked me if I wanted to go say hi and I didn't want to bother him before a show. So my buddy walked up and told him he liked his music, I just stood there like an idiot.

Regret it to this day.

I have the band tattooed on me now, and even traveled to Buffalo for their annual Christmas festival. They're broken up now as well.

Bummer.

[u/MaxxDash → u/obiwankenobisan3333]

He must’ve done the test drive that I did where I had to scroll through the damn tablet display to activate the windshield wipers during a downpour on the freeway.

It‘s as if Leon thinks he can outsmart the 100 years of car evolution and reinvent the wheel. And by the wheel, I mean the bright idea of activating the windshield wipers via a tablet. I love taking my eyes off the road during a rainstorm to futz around with a screen.

Don‘t get me started on the button-activated turn signals.

[u/QuickQuirk → u/MaxxDash]

I loathe touchscreen driven inputs for cars, and other situations that you want your eyes on what you're doing. Tactile buttons, knobs, and controls aren't there because they're 'the other guys just haven't figured it out'. They're in cars because they're simply the best and most reliable mechanism.

God help you when the touchcreen inevitably fails, and the car is unuseable

[u/[deleted] → u/QuickQuirk]

Cars in some countries will soon get higher safety ratings when the manufacturers use physical buttons for some, specific, functions.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/real-buttons-and-switches-for-top-safety-rating/

[u/sparky8251 → u/[deleted]]

Tablets should just be banned outright for anything vital or commonly used by the driver like atmo controls, wipers, door locks, etc.

But at least this is a sign of good things to come...

[u/JustsharingatiktokOK → u/QuickQuirk]

While shopping for cars recently I simply stopped looking at every model that had touchscreen inputs.

I’m driving. If a button or knob can’t execute whatever I need done then I don’t want that car.

[u/MaxxDash → u/QuickQuirk]

Yep. Tactility in a machine is important. I felt like I was in a game while driving, and not in a good way.

[u/el_muchacho → u/QuickQuirk]

The Xiaomi SU7 does it thing right in that regard. All the important driving commands are actually buttons next to the wheel, a lot of the display can be on the head up display, and you can even optionally add physical buttons to the tablet and program them with shortcuts. I believe it also does speech recognition, like most chinese EVs.

It is also more performant than a model 3 in every regard (acceleration, autonomy) and it looks far better (it's basically a Porsche design). The CEO of Ford drives one.

[u/QuickQuirk → u/el_muchacho]

wow. They've come a long way.

[u/Holiday-Hippo-6748 → u/MaxxDash]

lol he went from a model S to a Lucid Air, he knows what quality looks like

[u/Dp04 → u/MaxxDash]

There’s a button on the steering wheel for the wipers…

[u/Sworn → u/Dp04]

How to interact with a Tesla is different than most other cars, so if you're one of the "fuck reading manuals" people, you're gonna have a bad time. 

Changing wiper speed is possible with a button press. Opening the glove box can be done with voice while driving, or a big easily accessed button on the tablet.

But if you're a new driver who didn't bother reading stuff, you probably don't know what the buttons on the steering wheel does, nor how to find things on the tablet.

Teslas historical target audience (before the latest change to appeal to nazis) was mostly tech people, who generally won't have issues learning a new UI.

[u/DaLurker87 → u/obiwankenobisan3333]

He knows he's the one who ushered in this era of personal computers. None of these fucks hold a candle to his brilliance. Good on him for calling it like it is.

[u/dfddfsaadaafdssa → u/DaLurker87]

In an ironic play on words, driver developers are some of the smartest people on the planet.

[u/tggiv25]

Thanks Woz, we need legitimacy to rein in Musk

[u/scanmyrope → u/tggiv25]

An actual tech giant putting the faker in his place.

[u/SerialBitBanger → u/scanmyrope]

Not even a tech giant. A once in a generation genius whose hardware designs accelerated home computing to where it is now.

He's up there with Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman in the halls of hacker royalty.

[u/HandsomeBoggart → u/SerialBitBanger]

The Woz is also super fucking nice and an excellent person all around. So for him to shit on something must mean it is absolutely bad.

[u/hypoglycemicrage → u/HandsomeBoggart]

There's an amazing story of Woz talking someone famous (forget who) and they wanted to buy a macbook. Woz was like - "hey let's go to the apple store, you can use my discount." They go, and the cashier asks for his employee ID...Woz says "SURE! It's 1" Cashier asks for the rest of the number...

Cashier doesn't know who he is, or that he is literally employee #1. Hilarity ensues.

[u/maowai → u/hypoglycemicrage]

Fun fact along these lines: Steve Jobs originally got employee #2, but really wanted to be #1. They eventually gave him employee #0 to placate him.

[u/hypoglycemicrage → u/maowai]

lol Sounds about right for him...

[u/vtncomics → u/maowai]

God heard that and have him a PC

[u/Nurgle_Marine_Sharts → u/maowai]

Jobs was such an enormous tool oh my god lmao

[u/incubusfox → u/hypoglycemicrage]

This was with Steve-O

[u/olyfrijole → u/incubusfox]

Just thinking of the two of those guys in a room together enjoying each other's company is enough to make me smile.

[u/ItsMeJuhani → u/hypoglycemicrage]

Yeah, that was Steve-O. That has to probably be the most unexpected friendships ever - Going To The Apple Store With Steve Wozniak! | Steve-O

[u/polopolo05 → u/ItsMeJuhani]

Steveo is super awesome. I met him a few times. only dude is is nicer is taboo from teh black eyed peas.

[u/Space-Debris → u/hypoglycemicrage]

....except if you watch Steve-O's video, there's no proof that the last part ever happened. Steve-O says "don't you want his ID number, it's 1, it's Steve Wozniak". The cashier smiles, then laughs, and that's it. It then cuts to Steve-O using his computer sometime in the future

[u/iwilldeletethisacct2 → u/HandsomeBoggart]

It's because he owns/has owned multiple Teslas and the design drives him crazy. I saw him give a talk recently and he ranted for 10 minutes about how much he hates his Teslas. Which makes sense given that his entire mission in computing was to make them accessible to lay people in an era when computers required computer scientists just to use them.

[u/florzax → u/SerialBitBanger]

A tech Titan

[u/khamir-ubitch → u/SerialBitBanger]

Don't forget Hedy Lamarr. Without her, WIFi wouldn't exist.

[u/Gone213 → u/scanmyrope]

That and Warren buffet donating $500 million to ukraine i think the actual traditional billionaires are sick of trumps and musks antics.

[u/Icy-Lobster-203 → u/Gone213]

They understand stability is needed to stay rich and get richer. They also understand that in a Putin style kleptocracy every dollar they have fucked people over so hard for could be taken away at an instant. 

Having a head of state that is for sale, means someone could buy your own destruction.

Billionaires don't like that.

[u/mmmUrsulaMinor → u/Icy-Lobster-203]

Fr though. You can't keep fleecing the population of the population if they're all impoverished. You need some kind of economy present to make sure the line goes up

[u/RJ815 → u/mmmUrsulaMinor]

That's always the thing that drives me crazy. The average every day person middle class or below needs to spend so much of their money on just necessities (food, housing, etc) rather than niche luxuries like yachts. So rather than dumb trickle down nonsense, I don't know why more places don't think in terms of trickle up. Have a product or service enticing enough and you'll accumulate many small instances of money that add up to quite a bit. It became quite apparent to me as a modestly successful small business owner. Even a couple of clients, especially if consistent / recurring income, can add up to quite a bit for you in absolute terms. My standard of living would be WAY worse (and was before I had it) if I didn't maintain my small business even at great time / opportunity cost.

[u/Journeyman42 → u/mmmUrsulaMinor]

Trump and Musk don't want to just be rich, they want to be nobility

[u/Autonomous-Trash → u/Journeyman42]

The French had a solution to that

[u/Recent_Fisherman311 → u/Gone213]

Not Warren Buffett, but the foundation of his son Howard.

[u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi → u/tggiv25]

Rein in? You mean jail right?

[u/rnilf]

Where drivers once had an array of knobs and switches in their vehicles’ dashboards, Tesla offered a single sleek screen, with options that could change based on a driver’s earlier selections.

And I will forever hate Tesla for this.

Physical buttons allow people to use muscle memory to safely and seamlessly operate their cars without taking their eyes off the road.

Far better than implementing some so-called "self-driving" features to compensate for confusing and constantly changing GUIs.

[u/6gv5 → u/rnilf]

This a thousand times. Touch screens in cars (or any critical attention demanding environment) are the stupidest thing ever conceived. Hopefully people will eventually realize they're not cool and actually dangerous; I don't expect car manufacturers to get rid of them against market demand.

[u/lawrensonn → u/6gv5]

Volkswagen said just a few days ago that going overboard on touchscreens was a mistake and they'll be going back to physical buttons & controls for the most important functions:

“From the ID 2all onwards, we will have physical buttons for the five most important functions – the volume, the heating on each side of the car, the fans and the hazard light – below the screen,” said Mindt. “They will be in every car that we make from now on. We understood this.

“We will never, ever make this mistake any more. On the steering wheel, we will have physical buttons. No guessing any more. There's feedback, it's real, and people love this. Honestly, it's a car. It's not a phone: it's a car.”

Hyundai also made a statement recently admitting it was a mistake, and they found that the market actually hates touchscreens.

[u/moubliepas → u/lawrensonn]

What a coincidence that the features in that statements happen to be the ones the EU says are now legally required to have physical controls

[u/phoenixmusicman → u/moubliepas]

Stunning and brave of them

[u/Veni-Vidi-ASCII → u/phoenixmusicman]

Still have to use the screen to open the windows. I still hate it

[u/refurbishedmeme666 → u/Veni-Vidi-ASCII]

I hate having to open the glovebox from the screen, so unnecessary

[u/tokeytime → u/refurbishedmeme666]

You're shitting me, really?

[u/TexasTrip → u/tokeytime]

Shitting? Believe it or not, screen again.

[u/Ill-Product-1442 → u/tokeytime]

Yeah, Wozniak was complaining about it in the article lol

[u/The_Artist_Who_Mines → u/moubliepas]

Common EU win

[u/erichie → u/moubliepas]

I wonder how it feels to have consumer protections

[u/BetDownBanjaxed → u/moubliepas]

Let the bastards spin it how they like. The important thing is we get back what we lost.

[u/tetsuo9000 → u/lawrensonn]

My favorite part of my Mazda 3 was the extra buttons and fancy knobs. There were like three different places to change volume. It was beautiful.

[u/phoenixmusicman → u/tetsuo9000]

I want my car to have controls like a fighter plane cockpit or I'm not interested

(Shut up I know modern fighter jets have touch screens. I meant 4th gen).

[u/Fluff42 → u/phoenixmusicman]

My mom's 1980's Toyota Cressida had a 13 point physical EQ for the sound system.

[u/Razor-eddie → u/Fluff42]

What a co-incidence, my 1965 Ford Cortina had the same thing!

(Yes, it was an aftermarket stereo. Yes, it was worth more than the car. That's not the point. The point was to open the glovebox, and it was entirely full of graphic equalizer).

[u/GostBoster → u/lawrensonn]

Just for comparison/frame of reference, I remember old stuff having greater concern about user interface and acessibility. I will never forget how my mom could easily use our Sega Saturn to play CDs (since our regular cd player was broken) with the TV turned off because of how the grid menu, sound cues and cursor behavior was laid out.

Picture in your mind two 3x3 grids, with the "9" position being "change screen", and sound cue would tell if you were on page 1 or 2, cursor doesn't wrap around so hitting up-left a few times always homed you at position "1". Memorize what each option does, congratulations, you can operate a Sega Saturn without sight.

[u/moubliepas → u/6gv5]

The EU ruled last year (or meant the year before) that essential features like windscreen wipers, heating, indicators etc have to have physical controls.

Obviously the ruling had a bet long lead in time , but it's coming 

[u/Successful-Money4995 → u/moubliepas]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/5/24091043/euro-ncap-safety-rating-europe-2026-touchscreen-buttons-dials

Yes.

[u/TiredButEnthusiastic → u/moubliepas]

You can still sell a touch-only car - it just won’t be given a 5-star safety rating. Given the number of Chrysler Voyagers on the road, not everyone values safety ratings!

[u/glokenheimer → u/6gv5]

The don’t text and drive crowd was stupidly silent on yeah use an iPad to heat the car innovation.

[u/f4ttyKathy → u/glokenheimer]

Right?? I got a ticket for skipping a song on Spotify while I was stopped at a stoplight (legit, should not have touched a screen per the law...ok).

I told friends at work and they were like UM I HAVE A TESLA, WILL I GET A TICKET?

And that's when I was like oh I am "poor" for these parts lol

[u/bjisgooder → u/6gv5]

I have a newer Wrangler, and all of the radio and climate controls, heat seater, etc. are all on the "infotainment" screen. Thankfully they're all duplicated as physical buttons as well.

I have not used the screen to adjust any of those things a single time. It's wonky, not really intuitive, and why would I want to fool around with clicking through fucking menus when the physical buttons is right there. It's so counterintuitive.

[u/RoboOverlord → u/bjisgooder]

In a WRANGLER? That just makes me angry. If you can't take the top off, submerge the whole thing in water and still drive home undamaged, it's not a wrangler, it's a liberty with a shit body.

[u/escargoxpress → u/6gv5]

And the touch screen buttons are so microscopically small you have to steady your hand by gripping the screen while driving. Like all four fingers on the back and slowly lowering your thumb. It’s awful. I usually have my passenger do the controls

[u/Coompa → u/escargoxpress]

Yeah they have touchscreens in semi trucks too. Its really hard to use on a gravel road. I hate them. Thankfully all the important controls are still physical buttons.

[u/otter5 → u/6gv5]

I want both....

[u/giggity_giggity → u/rnilf]

Yeah this is ergonomics 101. And it’s especially bad since they’re designed to be used while driving in many cases.

[u/Lagulous → u/giggity_giggity]

right, it’s baffling how common bad design is, especially for something meant to be used while driving.

[u/Troy_n_Abed_inthe_AM → u/Lagulous]

Touchscreens are cheaper. It's only bad design for you, not the finance department

[u/YoKevinTrue → u/rnilf]

Mazda delayed Android Auto for like a year because they wanted buttons...

I had a 2019 Mazda 6 that I LOVED but wished it had Android Auto.

I was REALLY happy when it finally shipped and I have to admit that Mazda made the right choice.

[u/ckglle3lle → u/rnilf]

Fortunately the trend does seem to be shifting and there are plenty of non-Tesla new and upcoming EVs that have physical buttons and more conventional controls.

[u/dangerbird2 → u/rnilf]

thankfully most car manufacturers that aren't run by ketamine addicts have kinda moved back from that and are going back to physical buttons

[u/alekstollasepp → u/rnilf]

You have to appreciate the irony here since Apple pretty much lead the tech industry in the removal of physical buttons.

[u/Blazah → u/rnilf]

this is why Rivian should be the one to win.

[u/wggn → u/rnilf]

worst thing is that other car companies are now copying it

[u/sleepbud → u/rnilf]

Thing is, I believe in CarPlay hybridizations. Having CarPlay control the media center and giving drivers the ability to toss on Google or Apple Maps at the same time is a godsend. Being able to control my AC through tactile buttons, also a godsend. My old ‘05 car I upgraded with an aftermarket CarPlay radio is the best investment I made to my car. I can’t imagine controlling everything, including the AC through the touchscreen cause I rarely have passengers who could operate the tablet as I drive. I don’t want to go back to the stone ages of cassette and cd players for the audio portion but having nothing tactile either is terrible too.

[u/Federal_Patience2422 → u/rnilf]

The fact that gear stick in a Tesla is on the screen rather than physical should be illegal 

[u/myWobblySausage]

Think about a Formula 1 car.

The screen is for display only, everything that needs operated is a button or dial.

Why is that? Because it is more efficient.

[u/emojisarefunny → u/myWobblySausage]

"Yeah but its cheaper to use a touchscreen 🤓☝️"

Actual reason for so many touch screens. Shocker! it has to do with making more money for the sake of quality.

[u/Gortex_Possum → u/emojisarefunny]

I can't put an advertisement on a dial or a knob

[u/bobulibobium → u/Gortex_Possum]

Not with that attitude

[u/effinblinding → u/bobulibobium]

This is the whatsapp advertisement on Mercedes F1 car’s steering wheel. It’s pretty smart actually.

https://i.imgur.com/ftbtvxf.jpeg

[u/Countless-Vinayak-04 → u/Gortex_Possum]

But Internet reliant ads on touchscreen can fucking kill me?

[u/dogdiarrhea → u/myWobblySausage]

It’s also why as nice as touchscreens are most of our productive work is still done on a laptop/desktop using physical keyboards. Tactile feedback lets you do things quickly and accurately, without having to move your eyes.

[u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y → u/myWobblySausage]

I have a 2019 Volkswagen. I love it because basically everything is buttons and a lot of them (including volume, next song etc) are on the steering wheel itself.

The only digital things are settings you don't need to change while driving or Android Auto.

[u/that_70_show_fan → u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y]

What is happening with newer VW and Audi interiors is just a crime. Removing all things tactile and replacing with piano black touch sensitive crap.

[u/TobiasKM → u/that_70_show_fan]

Vw at least is backtracking a bit on that. Says they’ll go back to more physical buttons.

[u/sandwiches_are_real → u/myWobblySausage]

Because it is safer. Efficiency doesn't matter as much as being able to manipulate an input without taking your eyes off the road.

[u/Phantom_Australia]

Musk should use this as constructive criticism but he will probably call Wozniak a pedophile or something like that.

[u/el_muchacho → u/Phantom_Australia]

Because Musk is clearly a genius. /s

[u/ItaJohnson]

Will he accuse Woz of being a pedo?

Wasn’t that what he did during the submarine incident?

To clarify, I’m not saying he called Woz a pedo during the incident.  I believe it was a rescuer that he accused of being a pedo.  I’m just stating that he set a precedent of calling people pedos, if my memory is correct.

[u/CommentsOnOccasion → u/ItaJohnson]

Or he’ll call him “fully retarded” like he did to an astronaut a week or so ago

Or he’ll challenge him to combat like he did to Zuckerberg and claims to have done against Putin over Ukraine 

Or he’ll tell him to “shut up, you small man” like he did the President of Poland a couple days ago

[u/WithinTheShadowSelf → u/CommentsOnOccasion]

Truly a man so far in the future, he's a toddler again.

[u/leeance → u/WithinTheShadowSelf]

I’m sure the amount of ketamine he does on a daily basis has genuinely turned his brain into slush

[u/el_muchacho → u/leeance]

His drug abuse isn't limited to ketamine.

[u/48-Cobras → u/CommentsOnOccasion]

Radosław Sikorski is not the President of Poland, he's the Polish FM (Ministry of Foreign Affairs executive). Musk calling him a "small man" is peak stupidity considering that he is an Oxford graduate that was studying with the current emperor of Japan, participated as a reporter in a wars in Afghanistan against Russians and in Angola, and is married to Pulitzer winning author. He's the reason why people learned of America's involvement in Afghanistan by supplying the Mujahedeen with Stinger launchers.

[u/semi_colon → u/CommentsOnOccasion]

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland

[u/riding_bones → u/ItaJohnson]

he has proven to be creative, so maybe something else.

[u/sentence-interruptio → u/riding_bones]

Elon: "any thoughts?"

AI: "trans, my lord. accuse Woz of being a trans engineer."

Elon: "I need something better. Something that sticks."

AI: "accuse Woz of being a sticky note, my lord"

[u/short_bus_genius]

“[and] there’s no button for the glove box,”

This is exactly the kind of thing Steve Jobs was known for. Deleting buttons.

In the issacson biography, there is a passage about how he asked his jet designer to delete buttons for the sliding door.

[u/kendrickshalamar → u/short_bus_genius]

Presumably not for the jet flight controls though.

[u/net___runner]

That's not what Woz said. He said the Tesla UI was the worst, not the overall technology.

[u/Roembowski]

Like most thing Elon Musk has done in businesses, nothing is proactive. Every company he has ever been a part of waits for mistakes to happen and then works to correct it (sometimes). There is never any forethought for what COULD happen.

[u/Deesmateen → u/Roembowski]

Good thing those companies are in automation or aerospace

[u/sap91 → u/Deesmateen]

And building tunnels!!

[u/dern_the_hermit → u/sap91]

The genius innovation that completely reinvented the tunnel-building space is... smaller tunnels SMH

[u/DarthSatoris → u/Deesmateen]

Which company is the automation one? Tesla? That's an automotive company.

[u/Visible-Republic-883 → u/Roembowski]

I think that is his way of doing things "keep pushing as hard as possible until you need to roll back/fix 20%." This way he can do things very fast and it seems to work well with his business so far. 

He is now trying to apply this principle to running a country.

[u/octoreadit → u/Visible-Republic-883]

He tried that principle in his marriages as well, and, well, let's say those rockets also exploded, one did it twice.

[u/Ok-Put-7700 → u/Visible-Republic-883]

That's the whole issue trying to push those systems at a country level means instead of layoffs you have a recession or depression

[u/speeddemon974 → u/Ok-Put-7700]

Even their "success" case is shitty, since it's just maximizing profit for himself and other billionaires. Running the country like a non-profit would make much more sense, maximize the positive impact for the population it serves.

[u/mcandrewz → u/Roembowski]

Lol, sounds just like what is happening with DOGE.

[u/macross1984]

Woo-hoo! Woz trashing Tesla. Let's see if Musk will leave comment in X with some nasty retort.

[u/Hoaxygen → u/macross1984]

Let him fucking dare. Woz is liked by almost everyone.

[u/6gv5 → u/macross1984]

Would backfire in spectacular ways (grabs popcorn).

[u/VeraStrange]

This guy isn’t a billionaire. I’ve never heard of him praising the Nazis. I don’t even think he’s a racist. What the hell does a guy like that know about technology! /s

[u/Laiko_Kairen → u/VeraStrange]

Yeah, Woz could've turned his money into a money printing machine via venture capital type stuff, but instead he focused on being happy and living the life he wanted to live.

He's "only" worth $140 million, instead of the billions he could've had.

And you know, I doubt he wants for anything. What could he want that $140 mil won't buy?

[u/PublicFurryAccount → u/Laiko_Kairen]

An election.

Turns out they cost double that.

[u/browster → u/VeraStrange]

I know, right? He's probably one of those tech guys who built something completely new with his own goddam hands, in a garage or something. What does he know about taking over a company that someone else started with technology that someone else developed?

[u/JetAmoeba]

First off, Elon Musk is a shit human being, but saying Teslas are the worst in the world at improving technology for drivers is wild. They at least consistently update their software, most cars don’t even offer OTA at all. There is plenty you can accurately call shitty about teslas and their user interface, but calling them the worst gives too much credit to other car manufacturers

[u/CanineAnaconda]

I don’t understand why a touchscreen to look at while driving is considered superior to a knob or a toggle you can feel with your hand without taking your eyes off the road.

[u/Kiwithegaylord]

It’s a shame Woz was used by Jobs in the way he was, imagine a world where someone who actually cared about computers and ethics was the one to start the personal computer revolution

[u/AmazinglyUltra]

I find it astounding that this thread mostly discusses the political side of things on a technology subreddit

[u/Dedsnotdead]

Love Woz, one of life’s true engineers.

[u/ParticularBed7891 → u/[deleted]]

Well at least he's consistent

[u/thisisdell]

I’ve said this for years. There a stock company, not a car manufacturer.

[u/ifearstupidthings]

Wozniak's not holding back! If someone with his tech background is calling out Tesla, it's worth paying attention. Innovation's great, but execution matters just as much

[u/TransCanAngel]

I will take exception to Woz’ comment on being from Apple how the UI is so important.

True for Apple from 1984 onwards, but Woz was not part of that team and fought like crazy to push resources to the Apple ][ team, which was a CLI.

So your words are a bit hollow there, Woz.

[u/Rhinopkc]

To be fair, they have a “truck” that looks like what I drew when I was 8. They’re not exactly trying.

[u/Valuable-Ratio8073]

I genuinely don't get this. I've owned 3 MS LR, turning it in October lease end, and not getting another Tesla. Elon is just too much.

But here's what I don't get. The car drives AMAZING. My Mrs. owns a 2022 Taycan, I've had BMWs, MBs, Toyotas, Kias. My Tesla is one of the greatest drives I have had.

I'm not getting another one for political reasons, but these "Teslas suck" takes are just, in my personal experience, wrong. The cars are awesome, the owner/facist is a wierdo, but the cars drive great. Tech is great. The choice to not have CarPlay, ok, bummer, but come on. OTA updates, air suspension, driver assist (never gonna call it autopilot) is spectacular.

Don't buy teslas until Elon is gone, but I hope the cars remain awesome.

[u/opinionless- → u/Valuable-Ratio8073]

There's more to Tesla than Elon. They are fantastic cars built by fantastic engineers in the US. 

I definitely support people voting with their dollars and buying another brand but I'll be keeping mine. At least until some asdhole blows it up to make a political statement.

[u/goobervision → u/Valuable-Ratio8073]

The early days of S was a life of panel gaps etc. The quality issue stuck and now anyone with and anti-Tesla feel posts of quality issues.

In reality, much of that was fixed. Then came the truck.

[u/crazybala32]

The complaints he has are hilarious. The only thing I agree is the driving stalks are essential. The OTA updates don’t radically change often. There is usually 1 large one every year which is the equivalent of a new iOS that comes out each year with an iPhone/Apple line. But the UI on the screen in a Tesla is light years ahead of any other car out there.

[u/masstransit4u]

i love Woz but, "I don't vote because it doesn't mean anything." But, I bet he thinks it matters now and he should say so.

[u/terran1212]

Honestly Elon and Tesla deserve flak but their user interface is one of their best features

[u/NewInMontreal]

Love Woz, but this interview was peak boomer.

[u/pwhite13]

Definitely a hot take. Has Woz driven modern EVs from other manufacturers like Hyundai or Volkswagen? The software experience in those is far below Tesla. The only criticism here that makes sense is the lack of buttons, but that’s a design choice that many consumers prefer these days.

[u/Biggest_Jilm]

Almost like Musk cares more about controlling the transportation grid than public safety, huh? Wonder where else that applies?

[u/leisureroo2025]

Now now, the thin-skinned tyrant Elonnie is gonna call Wozniak the pd word now...

[u/thegooddoktorjones]

His actual arguments are totally on point. I want an EV but balk at all touch controls. Like all voice control, it just works WORSE than what we had. New Tech is supposed to be better, and 'costs the builder 1 cent less' is not better!

[u/j20Taylor]

Muskrat might be worst than trump.