r/todayilearned • u/ipresnel • 3d ago

TIL that in 1989 Val Kilmer punched and threw actress Caitlin O’Heaney to the floor during an audition for the lead female role of The Doors. There was not any punching in the scene Oliver Stone laughed about it and the company wrote her a check for $24,500 to not discuss the allegations publicly.

https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/caitlin-oheaney-val-kilmer-assault-auditions-the-doors-1201890656/
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u/AdmiralFrackbar 3d ago

Man Always Gets Little Rush Out Of Telling People John Lennon Beat Wife

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u/553l8008 3d ago

Just wait till you hear about what John Wayne did at the oscars that not a single first hand account exists of

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u/ClassifiedName 3d ago edited 3d ago

...you know you can just search the event on Wikipedia and find citations from first-hand accounts, right? Marty Pasetta watched it happen, and it was written about in this newspaper article from 1984 and you can even watch an interview with him on Youtube here. There's an article disputing it, but the entire basis is that Littlefeather couldn't have seen the conflict herself, however her story is clearly hearsay since she says that later she found out about the issue. Pasetta, as a director of the event, would have eyes on the goings-on and is a reliable witness.

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u/thebusiestbee2 3d ago

Rewind the video a few minutes: Marty Pasetta wasn't even in the building! He was in a remote truck during the Oscars.

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u/ClassifiedName 3d ago

As a director, he had access to the footage and comms. The crux of the opposition's argument is "He provided further details at a later date, which is weird!" but he's stuck by those details for about 3 decades now, and John Wayne is a known racist/antisemite. Which do you think is more likely: someone, in the 80's mind you, lying about a man who killed tons of Native Americans on-screen hating a Native American, or a racist anti-semite, who never refuted the claims, acting like a racist?

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u/AshamedOfAmerica 3d ago

John Wayne was a piece of shit and the funny thing is Littlefeather was a pretendian.

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u/ClassifiedName 3d ago

Nice argument, it's super full of concrete details to support it

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u/AshamedOfAmerica 3d ago

?? I was agreeing with you

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u/ClassifiedName 3d ago edited 2d ago

Calling Littlefeather a Pretendian seems belittling and like you're saying she's a liar, sorry if you were being sarcastic

Edit: didn't realize I needed to know every factoid about Littlefeather

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u/AshamedOfAmerica 3d ago

Well it is not something positive. Sacheen was involved in indian affairs her entire adult life, much of it to good purpose but evidence suggests she fabricated her ethnicity. I'm not really qualified to make a determination but here is the article that discusses the initial investigation by a Navajo writer. https://web.archive.org/web/20221022111100/https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Sacheen-Littlefeather-oscar-Native-pretendian-17520648.php

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u/Spe3dGoat 2d ago

her sisters said she lied about their heritage

her own sisters

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u/Pretend_Fall496 3d ago

Well?

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u/CodenameMolotov 3d ago

He lit a cigarette and when they told him to put it out he ripped off his clothes and next went his skin. Nothing but metal underneath

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u/Heiferoni 3d ago

Or that time Chuck Berry filmed himself farting in a prostitute's face without consent.

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u/johor 3d ago

What gets me is it wasn't just the one fart. He must have been eating cheese all day to push out that many rumblers.

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u/ClosetedChestnut 3d ago

Fuck John Wayne

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u/Ok-Celery3259 3d ago

There are plenty of first hand accounts wtf are you lying for?

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u/Hobo-man 3d ago

Ah yes, an arguement about morals is the perfect time to spread misinformation.

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u/dullship 1d ago

Or what John Wayne did in general. Dude was a right bastard.

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u/Smart_Freedom_8155 3d ago

Absolutely nailed it.

OP's just tickled pink by sharing this.  

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u/ipresnel 3d ago

did you know Matthew Roderick killed someone in a car accident right after Ferris Buuelers Day Off in the U.K. because he was driving on the wrong side of the road and he never served a day in jail

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u/rawker86 3d ago

Broderick.

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u/Adventure_Time_Snail 3d ago

BuzzFeed level misdirection. You make it sound like he was a dumb American who was driving on the right.

He was driving on the correct side of road (left) while it was raining, and swerved across the divider. Not defending him, just think this clickbait bullshit is turning us into idiocracy.

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u/ipresnel 3d ago

I legitimately thought he was driving on the wrong side of the road because he was American I feel like that is the truth it was his second day there what are the odds that that’s the truth who swerved into another lane I feel like he said that because it was a lie so he didn’t go to jail

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u/YT-Deliveries 3d ago

"I made up some shit that sounds good to me so that I wasn't wrong also I've never met a punctuation mark in my life that I didnt hate"

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u/ipresnel 3d ago

what does rain have to do with swerving in a lane? He said it wsan't because he was American but because of the rain that he swerved? That explains even less. Ive driven in the rain a hundred times but never swerved into the other lane but I'll bet if he went to England and he drove there it would be likely that he would be in the other lane because either hisgirlfriend(who was his sister in the movie) was fooling around with him or because HE WAS DRIVING IN THE WRONG LANE BECAUE HE"S AMERICAN!!!

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u/Tiredofhypo 3d ago

You’ve obviously never driven if you’ve never hydroplaned before

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u/AardvarkStriking256 3d ago

It was in Ireland and I believe two people were killed, a mother and daughter.

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u/ElvisDuck 3d ago

It was in Northern Ireland, which is in the UK.

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u/Tiredofhypo 3d ago

Buddy you got some troubles if you think Northern Ireland is in the uk

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u/PanNationalistFront 3d ago

It is though

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u/Tiredofhypo 2d ago

Reddit really doesn’t understand jokes troubles is a reference to the troubles

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u/PanNationalistFront 2d ago

I get that. I’m from NI.

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u/TryingToPlayTheGame 3d ago

Yes, I've known for a while. And?

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u/steepleton 3d ago

traditionally, in the telling, her from sex in the city was giving him a blow job at the time