r/todayilearned 1d ago

TIL that the last U.S. President who was neither a Democrat nor a Republican was Millard Fillmore, the final Whig Party President, who served in the executive office from July 1850 to March 1853.

https://buffaloah.com/h/fillmore/MF.html
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u/MikeTalonNYC 1d ago

Kind of. The Whig Party is generally considered to have evolved into the Republican Party - which didn't exist prior to that point of merging.

So the statement is very much true, but most of the goals, philosophies, and platforms of the Whigs were what we'd see today as Republican - they just didn't use that specific name until later.

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u/Ruskiem43 1d ago

While true, I would argue the restructuring of the party should still make it a separate entity. Being aligned on issues isn't the same as being the same party, since a party is at it's core just an organizing structure.

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u/MikeTalonNYC 1d ago

Hmmm, that's a fair take on the situation. Considering how the Whigs nearly all became Republicans, I'm not sure which view is the correct one in history - possibly both.

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u/Rockguy21 22h ago

I would say the Whigs differed from Republicans on several key points. While both parties were essentially the party of Northern Interests, Whigs were a party that industrialism, protectionism, and opposed western expansion, while Republicans were pretty adamantly in favor of expansion on the whole and overall tended to represent more agrarian interests and free trade, as well as being more a party of workers and farmers than industrialists. A lot of Whigs defected to the Republican Party, primarily because Whigs and Republicans both hated Southern Democrats and slavery in general, but their reasons for doing so are slightly different in key ways. Generally, Whigs got support from industrial business owners who wanted aggressive government investment in infrastructure and opposed westward expansion because they saw it as deflating the value of their industrial holdings, promoting the expansion of slavery, and detracting from investment in the East. Republicans were largely small holders and the urban working class who saw slavery as keeping wages low, but supported western expansion because of their advocacy for homesteading, but still opposed expanding slavery to the new territories. They had an overlap in moral opposition to slavery, but the absorption of the Whigs by the Republicans is mostly due to the issue of slavery rallying the plurality of non-democrats to the Republican banner in the extremely high tension era of the late 1850s.

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u/f8Negative 1d ago

Yeah Lincoln had been a Whig and his presidential policies were very in line.

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u/MikeTalonNYC 1d ago

For the time yeah - US politics evolved in a very... weird way...

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u/zakats 1d ago

Came to say this.

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u/eatingpotatochips 1d ago

He's the only president with a double consonant in his first and last name.

Unfortunately, that's one of the more memorable things about him.

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u/EssenceOfGrimace 1d ago

I don't know, I think I'm good with having forgettable presidents now.

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u/ObubuK 1d ago

Most people "remember" him for something that isn't even true: that he was the first prez to have a bathtub in the White House.

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u/elxymi 1d ago

I only remember him because of a newspaper comic that shared a similar name.

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u/Old-butt-new 1d ago

Two party system lame af

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u/Cultural-Company282 1d ago

Each of the two parties is a conglomeration of people with disparate interests coming together to form a de facto coalition government. If we had a multi-party system like, say, Italy, it wouldn't functionally change things. The people who stick together and call themselves Democrats and Republicans today would still stick together but would just call themselves by a variety of other party names.

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u/mnimatt 1d ago

This is such an oversimplified way to explain it. The two party system and the first past the post, winner takes all voting system means we can only have 2 real candidates for every presidential election. It also means that the Democratic party leadership and fundraisers have total control over the entire progressive side in this country. Same for Republicans and conservatives.

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u/Old-butt-new 1d ago

I know, its all just so lame and icky and nothing we can really do about it

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u/Professionalchump 1d ago

What if we started a different voting system like the cgp grey video

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u/NotWhiteCracker 4h ago

Ranked choice voting, banning corporate political donations, and allowing all parties an equal chance to debate are easy solutions

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u/ProfessionalEgg40 14h ago

Oh, we CAN do some things about it. We've just been conditioned to accept the cage instead of fighting for the key.

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u/Old-butt-new 13h ago

Good luck

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u/ztreHdrahciR 1d ago edited 1d ago

TIL

If you didn't know that before, you obviously are a Know Nothing

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u/ObubuK 1d ago

Millard Fillmore: LMAO.

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u/zakats 1d ago

Clearly trumpers are Know Nothings, did you see the buck-passing over the Signal war plans leak scandal?

0 accountability.

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u/Millard_Fillmore00 1d ago

I could have told you that

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u/SpiderSlitScrotums 1d ago

I would like to subscribe to Mallard Filmore Facts please.

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u/Millard_Fillmore00 1d ago

It’s Millard Fillmore

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u/SpiderSlitScrotums 1d ago

No, I’m pretty sure he was a duck.

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u/Pinksters 1d ago

It's Fillard Millmore

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u/leeharveyteabag669 1d ago

Was there a TV show with Millard Fillmore High School in it?

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u/rilian4 1d ago

Yes. Head of the Class...

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u/leeharveyteabag669 1d ago

Thank you kind internet stranger saving me from a Google search.

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u/rtels2023 21h ago

While the Whigs were one of the two major parties at the time, after his presidency Fillmore became one of the most successful third party candidates in US history when he ran for a full term as President in 1856 as the nominee of the American Party, more commonly known as the Know Nothing Party.

The Know Nothings were a nativist and populist political movement in the 1850s that opposed immigration, especially Catholic immigration. They grew out of the collapse of the Whig Party, and for a time seemed as if they could succeed the Whigs as the second major party, but as slavery became the primary issue in American politics, they were surpassed by the anti-slavery Republicans and ended up falling apart as different factions of the party had wide differences of opinion on slavery.

In the 1856 Election, Fillmore got 21.5% of the vote and won the state of Maryland. That‘s the second-highest popular vote total of any third party candidate, behind only Theodore Roosevelt in 1912, who got 27.4% of the vote as the nominee of the Progressive Party. It also makes Fillmore one of only 10 third party candidates in US history to win at least one state.

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u/Greene_Mr 1d ago

Mallard Failmore, built the railroad!

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u/gratisargott 1d ago

*Latest (unless the US ceases to be before)

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u/TinyTC1992 1d ago

Bernie should of been pres.

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u/rilian4 1d ago

I agree but he ran for POTUS as a democrat so it would not have changed the statistic referenced by the OP...

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u/Son_of_Macha 1d ago

Should have

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u/RiseOfTheNorth415 1d ago

The US's Tony Benn -- best leader you never had!

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u/disdain7 1d ago

Umm…I don’t like the guy either but what does this have to do with the post?

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u/Pinksters 1d ago

If you go into their profile you'll see they inject trump into everything possible. I searched for Trump and it pulled up 144 results in the last 26 days.

People say TDS isn't real but there's the proof.

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u/ezekiellake 1d ago

I can’t remember to be honest. It seemed logical at the time, but I was pretty tired.