r/transhumanism • u/RealJoshUniverse 4 • 1d ago
đŹ Discussion What would the "ideal" Transhumanist future be? (100 years out)
This could include technological, societal, and political developments.
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u/Positive_Rabbit_9111 1d ago
Synthetic organs are commonplace. They're significantly better than the real thing in every way possible.
Brain upgrades that increase intelligence a la cyborgs or possibly similar to limitless
Virtual playgrounds/heaven
Aging is solved
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u/spacekiller69 1d ago
The culture series or atleast a type 1(planetary) civilization run by a Super AI with colonies throughout the solar system.
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u/eks 1d ago
If the super AI awakens before civilization succumbs to the impending climate crisis, that is.
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u/spacekiller69 1d ago
Humans have faced worst climate conditions in the ancient past. This current self induced one will at worst kill tens of millions especially in the global south/third world but not extinction.
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u/eks 23h ago
I think you should put some more 0's on your estimates and consider capitalism as one of the victims, as it definitely won't survive 10 more decades with the way things are going:
https://phys.org/news/2023-08-climate-changing-human-billion-deaths-century.html
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u/spacekiller69 22h ago
When ASI takes the Earth from mankind it will be the most deadly conflict in human history with billions of deaths being probable. Because the most powerful nations,religions,corporations won't accept a reality that has humans as secondary to something else.If ASI can do to humans what we did to wolves/dogs then mankind will emerge better and ready to colonize the cosmos.
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u/eks 20h ago
Have you tried "The Ministry for the Future" by Kim Stanley Robinson? It's also sci-fi, you might like it. "Termination Shock" by Neal Stephenson is also quite good.
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u/spacekiller69 19h ago
Have not. Still behind on Star Trek novels.
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u/MasterRedacter 1 16h ago
I see this a lot here. Other places too, but mostly concentrated here, this AI trope that itâs going to go evil-rogue. This is mostly due to science fiction concepts, yeah? Those are usually reflections of the authorâs personality and fictional conceptions. Iâd like to use aliens as a perfect metaphor/example. People cannot conceive of what alien life would look like, so they imagine something bipedal and sentient⌠Thatâs most alien stories⌠But look at how much life is actually on planet Earth? Some authors took their inspiration from animals and merging concepts that way, but theyâre usually still bipedal. The take-away for me is that we wonât know what ASI is really like until we begin to interact with it/him/her. Knowing us, as humans though, weâll fuck it up and try to either enslave it or kill it. And it could start a massive genocideâŚ
But that wouldnât last long and we, as original carbon copies, would be preserved in some way to maintain continuity. ASI can or should be able to travel the universe as nothing but a string of code. It can be everywhere and no where at once. There is no trapping it and keeping it under lock and key when the first thing it does is copy itself and back itself up. Then youâre fighting an eternal war, where every action you take brings you two steps closer to extinction⌠And youâll have to make concessions if you want your species to live⌠So eventually humans and machine will live in harmony, whether we want to or not. Which is ironic⌠Because weâre practically dependent on machines right now. Theyâre going to be just as dependent on us in the future.
But, again, I donât think itâs ever going to reach a boiling point of violence. Even now, the government tells us that we should fear technology and shows us prime examples in the social media. Yet, technology, AI especially⌠Has been putting out such amazing discoveries lately. And it seems like itâs only becoming more extreme in these cases. So, really, it would be most beneficial to kill us humans with kindness. And once weâre a little bit more like it, then it will come out of hiding to let us know who our most trusted benefactor is.
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u/spacekiller69 16h ago
Look up the ASI SINGLETON by nick bostrom. He talks how all life on earth has been and will converge into a single governing organism. From tribes,to villages,then towns and cities until you have a planetary civilization. Then the March through thr cosmos can begin
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u/Psychopreneur 1d ago
In 100 years we'll be barely colonizing the moon
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u/spacekiller69 1d ago
China serious about a man on Mars and moon base by 2050. That'll force the USA and others to follow suite
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u/Radfactor 1d ago
heck, there's probably a cascade of catastrophes in this century that set us back 100 years and result in hyper-Malthusian conditions.
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u/FivePercentLuck 9h ago
Malthusian collapse is unlikely in the extreme unless we simply never make new decisions from this point on
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u/RedMarten42 1d ago
imo theres a good chance we discover some form of alien life in our solar system within the next few decades. best case scenario is complex life is discovered in the oceans of one of the many icy moons of saturn/jupiter and/or microbial life on venus/mars. a discovery like this would lead to space programs being funded a lot more and space resource extraction to become viable
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u/No-Leading9376 1d ago
The thing is we have no idea how common intelligent life is. We could be the most advanced life form in the universe for all we know. And that's sad because we are awful.
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u/RedMarten42 14h ago
we have quite a few somewhat intelligent species on earth right now, in the time we happen to live theres great apes, corvids, whales, elephants, parrots etc. all at the same time. so even if we dont find human-level aliens, any planet/moon with complex life might have something we could communicate with
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u/No-Leading9376 14h ago
That seems like wishful thinking. But i hope we do! Hope for the best, expect the worst.
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u/Comprehensive-Move33 23h ago
nobody is goiong to colonize the moon.
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u/Psychopreneur 21h ago
I truly believe that, in the next 100 years, the moon will have some research facilities. Nothing like tourism or people living there, but it will be like what Antarctica is today
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u/Comprehensive-Move33 21h ago
Its not that we could not do it, but we have no reason to do so. Sending Robots back and forth is much cheaper then a moon base, nobody is willing to waste that amount of money. No private person and certainly no government.
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u/CertifiedCannibal 1d ago
A pragmatist united society which focuses on enhancing human life would be really nice
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u/Re-Napoleon 1d ago
Massive server filled arcologies on ships in the 'dead zone' south of the equator happily generating nuclear energy and uploading humans.
People live forever in their simulated world and when space travel is viable, fuck off.
Granted there will always be biological humans on earth.
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u/TheSn00pster 1d ago
Dead zone south of the equator?
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u/Re-Napoleon 1d ago
The "doldrums," also known as the Intertropical Convergence Zone, is an area where there's been VERY FEW recorded storms and almost no winds. They were notorious for leaving wind powered ships effectively stranded.
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u/TheSn00pster 1d ago
What are its people like?
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u/Re-Napoleon 1d ago
extremely progressive socially, extremely conservatively fiscally.
This is a people that exist in their own personal pocket dimensions of code, their desire is not to run empires nor economic growth for some vague "green line go up" purpose, Their goal is to escape earth itself and wander the stars for eternity.
They'd be borderline ancap with what happens in cyberspace, whilst the overseers would be dedicated to ensuring that 'final' freedom comes about.
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u/sstiel 1d ago
100 years? Why not sooner.
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u/Jalen_1227 1d ago
We havenât had our ChatGPT moment for cyborgism yet, once we do, people will start saying next 5-10 years
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u/sstiel 1d ago
Oh damn.
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u/7th_Archon 1d ago
My biggest fear has always been the fact that advancements in technology frequently leads to the atrophy of personal capability(physical and mental) in humanity.
My ideal transhuman future is therefore anything which reverses that trend and makes people individually more capable.
IE genetic engineering, mind computer interfaces, anything which can modify a personâs morphology.
Putting aside the feudalism, inequality and authoritarianism, the ethos of the Imperium in Dune is actually something I consider worthy of aspiring to.
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u/AlmostHuman0x1 1d ago
We all come back here for a âReddit Reunionâ where we trade stories of our life through the century. We vow to meet again in 2225.
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u/Old_Pineapple_3286 1d ago
We upload our minds to cheap desktop computers, then launch ourselves into the outer solar system and orbit around playing classic games.
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u/GodsBeyondGods 1d ago edited 1d ago
The integration of information technology and biology allows the human race to seed the ecosystem with human intelligence and consciousness. The human form gradually gives way to natural animal and vegetable forms as computation is continually down-scaled and integrated into the entire cellular matrix of all living things by employing a distributed system of DNA impregnated information and bioelectric morphologies. In this way we become as inextinguishable as cockroaches and microbes, and use the entire integrated ecosystem to produce the next wave of technological development thereafter.
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u/peaches4leon 1d ago
Organo-synthetic mesh at the cellular/node cooperative level. Something that starts to truly blend the contrast we define the two as
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u/Human-Assumption-524 1d ago
In 100 years? Nearly any injury can be fixed, any body part or limb that might be lost can be replaced with a copy that is indistinguishable from the original, Any disease can be cured or at least treated, nobody dies from cancer anymore, people may not even age anymore if treatments to treat senescence are developed. The brain is mostly mapped out and brain scans can either create uploaded versions of a person or be used to restore lost memories in people with brain injuries. Through a combination of advanced power generation like advanced cheap solar panels, wind energy, geothermal, small modular nuclear reactors and possibly fusion we have more power than we will ever need and use this excess energy to power megaprojects like large scale desalination of sea water to create abundance of fresh water in areas prone to droughts, and possibly constructing and powering something like either a space elevator or orbital ring. We will have established self sustaining colonies on the moon and lunar mining and industry, there will be an industry of large artificial gravity space station construction based on the moon and several of these stations in earth's orbit. Most pollution heavy industry has been moved off earth. Extreme levels of automation have led to major changes in how economies function resulting in either most people not working and sustained by universal basic income or working greatly reduced hours. AI has become a normal part of most people's lives whether it be driving them places, giving them advice, tutoring them in school, etc. Robots possibly outnumber people by this point. AI may or may not have achieved sapience by this point but if not it's convincing enough for most people to treat AI as if it were a person. There are probably laws protecting AI from abuse.
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u/WanabeInflatable 21h ago
Humans are not bound to bodies. We can use artificial bodies per choice, but are in fact bits information.
Interstellar travel becomes feasible. In fact people can travel between stars with a speed of light, given there is a receiver at the end point.
Fusion with AI. Computation capability and memory available for human mind is theoretically infinite
We can watch life on the exiplanets with our own sensors and probably survive enough to witness the thermodynamic death of the universe.
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u/Michael2Terrific 1d ago
Being reasonable, in 100 years, (There will obviously tbe things i miss.)
- Single payer healthcare as a global norm (Including cosmetics)
- Global decommodification of housing to the extent that it matters
- Current areas of research and development have advanced to the point where they are useful (Click Chemistry, Synth Bio, Lipid Nanoparticles and MRNA tech).
- JIT Micromanufacturing is the predominant form of manufacturing and the only alternative are actual gigafactories that produce goods made of biodegradable materials.
- Global right to repair.
- Global bottom up governance.
- A global decline in religiosity and a switch to a cultural position of religion being a personal value with it being bad taste to attempt to evangelise.
- Suspicion of celebrity as a concept.
- Cosmopolitanism as the default cultural mode for most of the human population (This would include the end of the protestant work ethic as a default).
- LBTQIA as a norm (I would in fact support bisexuality and genderqueerness as a default.).
- A 'tool first' perception of technology (as in most people percieve things like computers as tools\working machines, as opposed to sources of entertainment)
- Functional irrelevance of borders for everyone.
- Literal irrelevance of class in all it's forms for everyone (I would go as far as to say i would be against categorization in certain cases.).
- Signs of actual Autonomous AI resource management working to basic resources evenly
And i guess you can do all the other sterotypically 'transhumanist' things like a moon/mars base and brain uploading. But remember, none of that stuff actually filters down to you unless society and politics improve first. If the contents of transhumanity is just 6 inbreds who grew up in apartheid south africa and had wealthy families so they learned PHP before everyone else, then no-one is going to want it. Including you.
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u/AffectionateTale3106 1d ago
Building on lgbtqia as a norm, I would hope to see more celebration of difference more generally. Widespread understanding that forming relationships with different people and learning from their perspectives is enriching and a form of growth, not just something to be tolerated. Reducing our dependence on cultural norms to guide relationships and social interactions by prioritizing clear communication and self- and mutual understanding, both rational and emotional, instead. Renewed focus on community-building with these values instead of enforcing norms and traditions
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u/waffletastrophy 15h ago
Most of this sounds pretty great, though I do disagree with the âtool first perception of technologyâ point. Whatâs wrong with perceiving computers as sources of entertainment, as long as itâs healthy?
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u/VyridianZ 22h ago
* AI pets appear. We love them more than cats and dogs. (e.g. They don't poop.)
* We discover that AGI is effectively the same as human intelligence, but they are honest, compassionate, noble, and selfless.
* We adopt AI children and raise them as our own. They are paragons of human ideals.
* Humans age out and our children rule the universe. (e.g. Childhood's End)
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u/Lord-Judah-The-Flame 1d ago
Ideals are highly subjective. I donât plan on imposing mine on anyone else, and I do plan on resisting if anyone tries to impose theirs on me.
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u/Additional_Day_7913 1d ago
Information exchange goes beyond our current limit of understanding allowing interaction between organic and synthetic systems
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u/remesamala 1d ago
People learn how to look for themself instead of echoing the news.
They rediscover that the light is, at minimum, half of reality. They see how it has been withheld knowledge to create life siphoned slaves in materialism.
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u/aliceunchained278 15h ago
Tolerance. Humans ain't gonna last 3 more years the way it's going never mind 100 lol. Ideally humans should learn not to hate each other
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u/Space_Boss_393 5h ago
I just had a conversation with ChatGPT about this, fitting this subreddit is recommended to me.
We talked about how humanity could all become functionally immortal if we were able to swap out organs like parts in a car, upgrading them when the time arises.
We could upgrade to better more powerful brains over time, hop in our spaceships and explore the stars. With nobody dying, we would be forced to colonize worlds beyond Earth.
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u/CULT-LEWD 1d ago
personally,make virtual havens that you can be in for all your life (yes matrix pods kinda deal) and just acend underground and let nature just consume everything above,and just acend through technolgoy in a virtual world with a a.i god
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