Covid lockdowns prematurely aged girls’ brains more than boys’, study finds

135

The lockdowns are clearly gonna be blamed for literally every collective and individual ill from now until 2050. Actually I bet the lockdowns are gonna be blamed for the way 2020s kids will be parenting their own children, and for those kids’ shitty life outcomes. If we’re lucky the Covid lockdowns will provide “scientific” “research” fodder for the next 60-70 years! It’s the gift that keeps on giving.

116

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

How do you think that they wouldn’t have caused any harm though? You can’t possibly just think this will be used to shrug off issues as though the lockdowns didn’t cause very real suffering? Not unless you were so personally privileged that it just flew over your head.

The suspension of support systems, the fears and impacts of the most vulnerable, the lack of access of green spaces for those locked down in tower blocks for example… those locked down with abusers..

Are you really just going to disregard all of that suffering and pretend it won’t have had any impact?

Why?

67

u/Cottonshopeburnfoot Sep 09 '24

The management of covid was undoubtedly shocking but part of me agrees we will see lockdowns blamed for everything, which in some cases may be correct but in others will be over egged or be a scapegoat.

Should we have another pandemic then unless it’s a 100% known killer I fear people will flat out refuse and whatever it is will tear through the population. One thing the lockdowns did do is wreck any trust in future ones.

57

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

Covid was a 100% known killer. There were plenty of people who continued to party and socialise.

In my experience, the ones having raves in flats in city centres are the same ones who are now jumping at the chance to decry lockdowns.

28

u/Cottonshopeburnfoot Sep 09 '24

It was but it was also extremely survivable for large parts of the population. Most of us have had it at least once.

The population decrying lockdown has grown massively though. Those that broke it then, those that suffered badly in it, those that in hindsight feel it was draconian and those that have gone conspiracy.

What I meant by 100% known killer was if we saw a well known disease turn very contagious. Something we’ve known of for decades and not something never seen before like COVID 19 was.

-4

u/Greenawayer Sep 10 '24

It was but it was also extremely survivable for large parts of the population. Most of us have had it at least once.

I've had Covid three times. Once before being vaccinated and at least twice after.

I'm also fairly old.

Lockdowns were a complete and utter mistake for the vast majority of the population.

13

u/synth_fg Sep 10 '24

The purpose of lockdowns was not too stop people getting or dying from COVID

Once it became rooted in the population in Feb/ early march for the UK it was not possible to irradicate it and was thus inevitable that almost everyone would be exposed at some point

Lockdowns were imposed when the rate of spread and thus the rate of people becoming seriously ill and needing hospital treatment was threatening to overwhelm nhs capacity

The government faced with a choice of actually having to use the nightingale hospitals, dying sheds staffed by volunteers designed to industrialise the process of managing large numbers of dying people through pain relief and then processing the remains as efficiently as possible, or locking down the country to slow the spread chose the latter

However lockdown was only ever a speed bump and COVID would inevitably ramp up the rate of infection again as soon as restrictions were lifted,

They did save many lives of those who needed medical help to survive and would likely not have received it if the NHS did become overwhelmed and those who would not have survived without the boost to the immune system given by the vaccines when they arrived

They also had lasting effects on many groups, especially children, as a scout leader I see clear differences between the groups I had before / during COVID and those going through now as in the current group tends to be less adventurous, more timid but also less team players

Locking down was the correct decision as the alternative was bloody awful, but it did come with social and financial consequences that we will be living with for generations

-6

u/Greenawayer Sep 10 '24

The purpose of lockdowns was not too stop people getting or dying from COVID

Really now...? That's the worlds biggest u-turn. Everyone was banging on about two weeks to "flatten the curve".

But I bet you missed that, or it was it "misinterpreted". Any more u-turns you want to make...?

Locking down was the correct decision as the alternative was bloody awful, but it did come with social and financial consequences that we will be living with for generations

It was the worst decision by far. So far Brexit is the only recent decision that comes close.

The only people who think Lockdown was a good idea is authoritarians. And Reddit has the highest number of those.

9

u/yrro Oxfordshire Sep 10 '24

flatten the curve

The NHS would have been completely overwhelmed had the curve not been flattened, causing many more deaths.

7

u/Exciting_Opposite_51 Sep 10 '24

“Flatten the curve” referred to slowing the spread so that the peak number of people requiring care at a time is reduced, and the health care system does not exceed its capacity.

There are so many studies that show how the lockdowns were successful in this.

In March 2020, just before the first lockdown, the R number (rate of transmission) in the UK was estimated to be between 2.6 and 3.0. After the introduction of lockdown, by April 2020 the R number fell to between 0.6 and 0.9

At its peak in mid-April 2020, daily hospital admissions reached over 3,000. After lockdown measures this number reduced to 500 in May then under 100 by July.

6

u/Cottonshopeburnfoot Sep 10 '24

I think the management of them was. In hindsight though. Not many were opposed when the first one was called because the virus was unknown and frightening.

And even now, that critical view of lockdowns remain to many yet we’re discussing a virus that claimed over 200,000 lives going by excess deaths.

2

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

isn’t one of the issues the fact that the more it spreads, the more chances there are that it’ll mutate and end up becoming more deadly? hence, even if it wasn’t super deadly, and even if you’re willing to sacrifice a bunch of the elderly and immunocompromised, you’re risking it becoming even more of an issue by NOT controlling the spread in some way

1

u/Exciting_Opposite_51 Sep 10 '24

I had covid just before I was able to be vaccinated - I caught the omicron variant, which was known to be a lot more nasty than the original. I was 20, super healthy and very rarely got ill. Covid was the worst I’d ever felt in my life, I was bed bound for 2 weeks. The rest of my family had their vaccines and managed to not catch it despite us living in the same house.

Point is, lockdowns were essential to stop the virus from spreading and subsequently mutating before we had a chance to vaccinate the population. The omicron variant was nasty, and if we didn’t have lockdowns and allowed it to spread freely then who knows what other kind of worse variants would have arisen. The type of virus that covid is (RNA) makes mutations a lot more frequent.

1

u/Greenawayer Sep 10 '24

I caught the omicron variant, which was known to be a lot more nasty than the original.

Except, no it wasn't. Omicron was known to be mild since it's discovery in South Africa. It was reported as such by most mainstream media except the BBC who left out the information about how mild it was until around January 2022.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Omicron_variant

This mildness was known since December 2021.

The omicron variant was nasty, and if we didn’t have lockdowns and allowed it to spread freely then who knows what other kind of worse variants would have arisen.

That sentence is pure fantasy given the above information and also that's now how viruses work.

If we didn't have lockdowns then we would have got a milder virus faster. People who wanted to lockdown should have had the option, but only if they personally wanted.

1

u/Exciting_Opposite_51 Sep 10 '24

I got the name wrong, I meant the Delta variant. It was the variant that had a wave in July 2021 as that’s when I had it.

Virus’s can mutate when they replicate themselves, and RNA virus’s especially have higher mutation frequencies. The more chances they have to spread the more chances they have to mutate. There’s no saying what direction mutations can go in, as we can see Covid has not followed a clear path with the Delta variant being more severe and the Omicron variant being less severe.

Because RNA viruses like Covid have such high rates of mutation, it’s not worth the risk of letting it run rampant to see what strain appears.

-13

u/Connect_Archer2551 Sep 09 '24

Lockdown 100% killed my friend who committed suicide due to loneliness after being banned from leaving his house.

Fuck anyone who encourages such measures.

20

u/-strawberryfrog- Sep 10 '24

Also fuck the immunocompromised! Yeah fuck those 40 year old mums with breast cancer and the little kids with leukemia. The fatties too! We should have let this thing rip as hard and fast as it could have. Imagine the savings!

0

u/Connect_Archer2551 Sep 11 '24

Based

13

u/NuPNua Sep 10 '24

No one was banned from leaving their house, that's nonsense. There were strong recommendations, but no one was sitting at his front door preventing him going out for a walk.

4

u/Ok-Albatross2009 Sep 10 '24

I do seem to remember at one point the official rule was no more than 1 hour per day exercise and no meeting other people. That’s draconian. You could argue that you’re meant to take that with a pinch of salt, but a lot of vulnerable people who didn’t understand that, through no fault of their own, took the restrictions VERY seriously, to an unhealthy degree. I know 5 year olds that developed rashes from over-washing their hands. Not to say that washing hands isn’t important, but I do think the rules were presented as so severe that almost no one could have followed them. If they had been more realistic about the rules people wouldn’t have either A) become depressed by following the rules or B) be fined and villainised for such offences as talking to other people.

1

u/NuPNua Sep 10 '24

It was never a law, no legislation was passed, it was just good practice guidance to prevent spread. Yes you did have some jobsworth police telling people they couldn't sit in parks or watching dog walkers with drones, but they couldn't take nay action and you weren't going to be marched to the gulag if you were out your house for 61 minutes.

6

u/Ok-Albatross2009 Sep 10 '24

You and I knew that. Obviously Boris Johnson understood this aswell. But to vulnerable people- children, the elderly, people with cognitive disabilities- this wasn’t clear and they took the rules at face value. This is how we ended up with a double standard of some people following the rules and others not. If the rules were transparent and reasonable it would have been a lot less harmful than having everyone exercise personal judgment on how much to follow them.

→ More replies (0)

-1

u/JackUKish Sep 10 '24

Inb4 the guy was one of those Chinese people nailed into their homes.

4

u/NuPNua Sep 10 '24

I mean maybe, but not really relevant on the UK sub is it.

0

u/JackUKish Sep 10 '24

Yeah i mean it's all bollocks anyway.

1

u/JackUKish Sep 17 '24

Not at all, hence why i think he's full of shit.

3

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

[removed] — view removed comment

4

u/heroyoudontdeserve Sep 10 '24

It depends what OP means by "known killer". If they meant "it's killed at least one person" then sure, covid is known to be a killer.

Given the context it seems more likely they meant something like "if you get it, it will kill you", since they think only something like that will get people to respect hypothetical future lockdowns.

-6

u/Previous_Reason7022 Sep 10 '24

Actually recent evidence has shown that the lockdowns/vaccines were at least as destructive to life as covid.

14

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 10 '24

Nonsense. I wrote elsewhere but the death rate in January 2021 uk was 113,279. The past 5 years before it was around 65,000. I gave exact stats in my other comment. That's a high that hasn't been since the war.

The vaccine had been out a month at this point. Only the most vulnerable had it. Literally 99% of the population hadn't had it at this point.

Thats a 75% increase in mortality from the year before. I'm sorry but has the vaccine ever caused a 75% death increase? No.

People talk actual nonsense on here. Lockdown had its downsides but covid nearly doubled the death rate in January - and that was with a national lockdown. Can you imagine what it would have been like without one.

I'm chronically ill and have been housebound for over a decade, I was a teenager when it started. And I'm 30 now. My entire 20s are gone. And it's horrible. But seeing people going on and on and on about the life they missed/stolen from them and how unfair and draconian it was years later is honestly becoming annoying and a pity party / excuse to place blame on.

My heart goes out to those who commit suicide etc I know how crap and isolating it can feel more than anyone. But at the end of the day that's the fault of NHS failing mental health services, nobody who was mentally sound before lockdown killed themselves due to being indoors for that amount of time. The mental health support in this country is virtually non existant. Its similar to blaming someones ex, because they killed themselves after a break up. It wouldn't be fair to say its their fault they killed themselves, they clearly were severely mentally ill and needed help. Maybe one day this country will take mental health seriously instead of just talking about "awareness" all the time.

2

u/yrro Oxfordshire Sep 10 '24

Well said. You've far more patience than me in responding to such posts. I find it completely baffling how many people seem to have survived the pandemic with the heads buried so deeply underground!

-5

u/Greenawayer Sep 10 '24

I'm chronically ill and have been housebound for over a decade,

And...? That does not allow you to tell others what to do.

2

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 10 '24

My point was that I know what it's like to not be able to leave the house and the toll that can take. I've basically lived lockdown for a decade.

When did I tell others what to do? The gov did.

Sometimes life isn't fair and we have to miss out on it for a period of time. A few months to save lives? An people are still throwing a pity party about it and blaming it for every little thing years later. Acting like what they went through is so much worse than what all the families of those with dead loved ones would have went through. It comes off selfish, out of touch and eye roll inducing.

I have remind myself all the time that things could be worse and I'm lucky in a lot of ways. I don't think it would kill people to do the same about the few months they missed 4 years ago

0

u/Greenawayer Sep 10 '24

An people are still throwing a pity party about it and blaming it for every little thing years later. Acting like what they went through is so much worse than what all the families of those with dead loved ones would have went through. It comes off selfish, out of touch and eye roll inducing.

You can't just put people's lives on hold for months. Remember "two weeks to flatten curve"...? Then it was two months, then more.

Countless lives were destroyed, and not just those who caught Covid.

The whole idea of shutting down the country is ludicrous. Countless people worked tirelessly to make sure that electricity still flowed, pipes were maintained and essential services still ran.

Only someone with a very cursory knowledge of the modern world would think you can ask people to stay in doors for an extended period.

1

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 10 '24

Oh stop. Saying "countless lives were destroyed" is exactly what I'm talking about. COUNTLESS lives were not DESTROYED just by making people stay inside for a few months.

Yall say that but then downplay the amount of lives "destroyed" by covid itself. An act like the number isn't that big nor that big a deal. There is significantly more people who were either 1 killed 2 had a family member killed 3 have long covid massively affecting their lives. Than there is people who's lives were "destroyed" by lockdown itself.

I'm sorry but hearing the way people like yourself talk about it is what annoys me. I feel sorry for the kids who's education suffered the most out of all the lockdown effects. And ofc the suicides. But both again are symptoms of larger issues with gov funding of education and mental health services. My sister had a private school scholarship so she was fine, her friend who went to a crappy underfunded state school was allowed fall behind. It could be done properly as my sisters was done properly. It's as always these schools being ran badly and the same with the lack of mental health support in this country.

But all these adults who just keep going on about how they had to not go out for a couple months years ago and how unfair it was to them are exhausting. As I've come to know life isn't always fair. They were trying to stop people literally dying, an all the lives that are damaged when 1 person dies. For example I know a severely autistic child who lost her only caregiver to covid. Its easy to stand there with 20 20 hindsight and a load of lockdowns and vaccines and say oh it wasn't necessary, it would have been fine! You forget that even with the most vulnerable already being vaccinated and a national lockdown, we STILL had s 75% increase in deaths from the year before. That's what it did even with a lockdown and the most vulnerable vaccinated. We have no idea how bad it would have been if those measures wernt taken. We havnt had a death rate that high since the literal war- an that's with your "draconian" measures.

-4

u/Previous_Reason7022 Sep 10 '24

Suicide went up. Elderly deaths rose from national neglect, and unpaid care workers. People with terminal illnesses struggled to be seen. People were put on ventilators against expert advice which made covid more deadly via poor care. Blood clots went up massively from lack of exercise. The chances of dying from covid are similar to the flu. It's not 0, and it can be dangerous, but not as dangerous as people make out.

18

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

You truly think the death rate nearly doubled from the previous 5 years because of blood clots and suicides? Truly?

You can add up every single one of those things, and that will not explain a 50,000 increase in deaths.

It is not like flu, why do yall keep saying that. We've had many flus. January is the deadliest month of the year. There hasn't been a January or any month on record with anything close to as many deaths as January 2021(114,000), if it was just a flu wouldn't a bad flu season give similar results.

There was a particularly bad flu January 1980. Still only around 70,000 deaths.

Numbers do not lie yall have to stop with this nonsense that it was just flu.

(Also BTW even in countries that did not do a lockdown there was a marked increase in deaths. Nothing like any spike seen from previous flu seasons)

1

u/Previous_Reason7022 Sep 11 '24 edited Sep 11 '24

I also mentioned the severe neglect of the elderly and the improper use of ventilators which actually made covid more deadly... I also mentioned the negligence of the terminally ill.

Hell we couldnt even properly close borders when it started, then we prescibed treatments that have a 50% chance of survival regardless of illness(which wasn't the most effective treatment, ventilators).

We encouraged people to flood restaurants, shops, pubs etc to coming and spread illness and gave ourselves a really bad chance through poor leadership and policy that leant in the favour of government as opposed to the science.

Sweden didnt have a lockdown. People voluntarily took measures, and schools were not shut down. They reaped many benefits from that and it did not come at the expense of human life.

How Sweden faired with no lockdowns

1

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 11 '24 edited Sep 12 '24

Because there's no way to actually count those stats. Its speculative. How am I supposed to count the number of deaths from "the neglect of the elderly"

It's wild though how yall put all these things together but for example, you must concede that someone must be very ill with covid anyway for them to 1 be in hospital with it 2 even be considering putting them on a ventilator. Yet you're trying to use the use of ventilators to , what, downplay covid...

1

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 12 '24

Also swedens people were honestly less selfish than ours. They had less parties and social gatherings than we did with an actual lockdown going on. They still encouraged people to do the things we enforced. An was more of an emphasis on personal responsibility especially social distancing.

At the end of the day the whole reason you're arguing there shouldn't have been a lockdown was so that you could have not social distanced.

I would also argue that it can't really compare anyway due to the massive difference in population density, which makes it much harder. Sweden has 25 people per square km. We have 281 people per square km. That's over 11 times more dense than Sweden. .

Places in the UK with that population density are like thr Scottish Highlands, rural parts of Wales and Cumbria. If we'd allowed those places to not have a lockdown it'd probably have been fine. In fact I doubt those sort of places even felt the need to follow it.

Even the most population dense part of swedens capita (stockholm) l is around 5000 per square km. Parts of London are literally 10,000 per square km.

They also still did restrictions on gatherings. Most did start working from home including high school and college. Which is one of the main groups that it's argued it was bad for their, mental wellbeing to be at home and not at school. Even Sweden knew they had to do that. And care homes were also not allowed to be visited, so the "elder neglect" wouldn't have been any different if we'd done their method either.

Also BTW I looked up the stats from January 2021 of Sweden also. 30% increase in mortality and once again a high that hasn't been seen in their country for over a 100 years, the last pandemic, the Spanish flu.

Also BTW. Your statement that it didn't come at the cost of human life is fundamentally wrong, the mortality rate was significantly higher in Sweden than its neighbouring Scandinavian countries eg Denmark, Finland, Norway. Which all had stricter lockdowns.

Swedens hospitals also faced a ton of pressure and we're pushed to the limit. Their hospitals really struggled. Which everyone keeps forgetting that due to years n years of underfunding the NHS, especially the past 14 years, the main reason for the lockdowns was to take the pressure of the NHS and stop it being overloaded. Sweden had a better NHS than us and they still were overrun, the problem we had is that our hospitals were basically at capacity even before lockdown. If we hadn't done lockdown it would have been actual chaos, so many would have died and not just from covid as the hospitals would have been overflowing.

Years before covid I've had multiple instances of having to be in an ambulance, things that when I saw a doctor were told were priority 1. An put on ketamine snd morphine, an i was left on a bed in a huge line in a hallway waiting for a bed for 4-6 hours. Doctors told me the NHS is on verge of collapse. And that was years before the pandemic. Our crappy NHS would not have survived no lockdown.

You're saying things based on your own bias of thinking lockdowns bad, that the actual numbers don't support. Again numbers don't lie, again your statement without the cost of human life is unequivocally false.

1

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 12 '24

Also swedens people were honestly less selfish than ours. They had less parties and social gatherings than we did with an actual lockdown going on. They still encouraged people to do the things we enforced. An was more of an emphasis on personal responsibility especially social distancing.

At the end of the day the whole reason you're arguing there shouldn't have been a lockdown was so that you could have not social distanced.

I would also argue that it can't really compare anyway due to the massive difference in population density, which makes it much harder. Sweden has 25 people per square km. We have 281 people per square km. That's over 11 times more dense than Sweden. .

Places in the UK with that population density are like thr Scottish Highlands, rural parts of Wales and Cumbria. If we'd allowed those places to not have a lockdown it'd probably have been fine. In fact I doubt those sort of places even felt the need to follow it.

Even the most population dense part of swedens capita (stockholm) l is around 5000 per square km. Parts of London are literally 10,000 per square km.

They also still did restrictions on gatherings. Most did start working from home including high school and college. Which is one of the main groups that it's argued it was bad for their, mental wellbeing to be at home and not at school. Even Sweden knew they had to do that. And care homes were also not allowed to be visited, so the "elder neglect" wouldn't have been any different if we'd done their method either.

Also BTW I looked up the stats from January 2021 of Sweden also. 30% increase in mortality and once again a high that hasn't been seen in their country for over a 100 years, the last pandemic, the Spanish flu.

Also BTW. Your statement that it didn't come at the cost of human life is fundamentally wrong, the mortality rate was significantly higher in Sweden than its neighbouring Scandinavian countries eg Denmark, Finland, Norway. Which all had stricter lockdowns.

Swedens hospitals also faced a ton of pressure and we're pushed to the limit. Their hospitals really struggled. Which everyone keeps forgetting that due to years n years of underfunding the NHS, especially the past 14 years, the main reason for the lockdowns was to take the pressure of the NHS and stop it being overloaded. Sweden had a better NHS than us and they still were overrun, the problem we had is that our hospitals were basically at capacity even before lockdown. If we hadn't done lockdown it would have been actual chaos, so many would have died and not just from covid as the hospitals would have been overflowing.

Years before covid I've had multiple instances of having to be in an ambulance, things that when I saw a doctor were told were priority 1. An put on ketamine snd morphine, an i was left on a bed in a huge line in a hallway waiting for a bed for 4-6 hours. Doctors told me the NHS is on verge of collapse. And that was years before the pandemic. Our crappy NHS would not have survived no lockdown.

You're saying things based on your own bias of thinking lockdowns bad, that the actual numbers don't support. Again numbers don't lie, again your statement without the cost of human life is unequivocally false.

5

u/Wonderful_Discount59 Sep 10 '24

The chances of dying from covid are similar to the flu

Are you sure? The stats I've seen indicate it's about 10x as lethal.

5

u/Minimum-Geologist-58 Sep 10 '24

Ah “suicides went up” the ultimate sign of “I think my hobby horse is bad but haven’t actually even bothered to look into it”. I think it’s a bit ghoulish personally.

Suicide rates went down a bit during the pandemic and up a bit after, some of that is just thought to be delays in reporting deaths.

I think that the psychology/societal effect of the pandemic we can all see is that it seems to have turned people into arseholes rather than made them despondent!

1

u/Previous_Reason7022 Sep 11 '24

Love how you just ignored every point apart from the one you had a weak and unfounded arguement against. This quite clearly states that twice as many studies that found a decreasing trend, found an increasing one.

Yes, of course it got worse afterwards. You wouldn't see a lot of a catastrophe caused until people try to reintegrate.

The disabled, mentally ill, elderly all robbed of care and support systems and you must know nothing to make such an ignorant claim honestly, it doesnt take a genius to put two and two together.

0

u/Previous_Reason7022 Sep 10 '24

12,746 suicidal attempts and 33,345 suicidal deaths were reported during the COVID-19 pandemic in the included studies. One other study has not reported separate data for suicidal attempts and deaths (n = 55), while one has presented rates. Because of the different durations used for data collection during the COVID-19 pandemic and the previous year (for non-COVID time comparison), it was unable to estimate or compare the suicidal incidence rate or to pool the data together for a meta-analysis. 16.7% (n = 3) of studies have no reported data on suicidal attempts or suicidal deaths trends. Regarding trends in suicidal attempts during the COVID-19 pandemic, an increasing trend was reported in 22.2% (n = 4) studies, while a decreased trend was reported in 11.1% (n = 2) studies. 5.6% (n = 1) of studies reported no increased or decreased trend in suicidal attempts. An increasing trend of suicidal deaths during the COVID-19 pandemic was found in 16.7% (n = 3), while decreased in 5.6% (n = 1) studies. 16.7% (n = 3) of studies reported no increased or decreased trends in suicidal deaths. Finally, 5.6% (n = 1) of studies reported decreased trends during the crisis but increased after the immediate crisis had passed (Table 2).Educate yourself.

1

u/Minimum-Geologist-58 Sep 10 '24

What on earth does a global academic study have to do with UK deaths? We know how many people died of suicide in the UK: we have coroners courts.

→ More replies (0)

4

u/Dude4001 UK Sep 10 '24

Except that doesn’t stand up to a single second of scrutiny

0

u/Previous_Reason7022 Sep 11 '24

You're right I've completely misworded that. The covid vaccine has risk factors far higher than vaccines previously removed from usage, and very little evidence to show its effectiveness.

4

u/insipignia Sep 10 '24

Source?

-8

u/No-Strike-4560 Sep 09 '24

I've had the bloody thing 3 times and yet here I am. It is not an 100% known killer at all.

32

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

They didn't say it killed a 100% of the time. They said its 100% a known killer. Which it is.

In uk January 2018 number of deaths; 64,154

In UK January 2019; 64,157

In UK January 2020; 64,851

UK January 2021; 113,279

That's almost twice as many deaths that's insane. It's not been that high since like WW2.

People with time have really forgot how dangerous it actually was. An you can't say oh that's because every single person who tested positive for covid got put down as a covid death. As this is literally just counting overall deaths.

I would say a virus that led to the death rate increasing by 75% could without a doubt be described as "100% a known killer"

-14

u/Greenawayer Sep 10 '24

They didn't say it killed a 100% of the time. They said its 100% a known killer. Which it is.

Vending machines falling on people are a 100% known killer.

Where's the campaign to ban them...?

9

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

If one in every hundred people who used Vending Machines were killed by them. They would be banned

3

u/Istoilleambreakdowns Sep 10 '24

Risk of death from cannabis toxicity is virtually nil but that's still banned. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02698811221115760

Where's the campaign to un-ban it?

2

u/KenosisConjunctio Sep 10 '24

Because the NHS is just buckling under the weight of all those vending machine injuries

1

u/IrrelevantPiglet Sep 10 '24

There's no need to campaign since HSE regulations already pretty extensively cover securing heavy machinery and suchlike.

1

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 10 '24

So you're saying vending machines would lead to a 75% death increase from the previous year even with a national lockdown...

-18

u/No-Strike-4560 Sep 10 '24

Total number of deaths below age 50 :

500.

What actually killed people is being old or having a comprised immune system. Barely any young healthy people died from COVID.

13

u/-strawberryfrog- Sep 10 '24

being old or having a compromised immune system

So fuck them, right? And all the doctors and nurses who just couldn’t up with the sheer volume of sick people too. Yep fuck them all!

12

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

50 is not old, and something like a third of people in their 40's have two or more chronic health issues so "having a compromised immune sysrem" like it's a small minority is misguided.

Millions of people would have died and tens of millions would be disabled if there'd never been any lockdowns.

2

u/merryman1 Sep 10 '24

I did find that whole narrative totally bizarre. No one needs to worry, its only people who're super unhealthy and have compounding factors who are at risk! Its all no big deal!

Then the compounding factors include... Being overweight... Having asthma... Having high blood pressure... Being a few years older than the national average age. All super uncommon things no normal person has to worry about!

1

u/Squiffyp1 Sep 10 '24

Millions of people would have died and tens of millions would be disabled if there'd never been any lockdowns.

Citation most definitely needed on that claim.

1

u/yrro Oxfordshire Sep 10 '24

It's difficult to prove because it didn't happen: however the point was to "flatten the curve": slow the spread of infection in order to prevent the health service from becoming completely overwhelmed.

→ More replies (0)

13

u/Infamous_Cost_7897 Sep 10 '24

50 really isn't that old? You think 50 year olds were dying from being old lmao...

No I'm pretty sure a 75% death increase from the year before, a high not seen since we were in a literal war. Is caused by the virus, not people just being old or compromised immune systems. We have flus all the time. None of them have ever caused an increase like that. Numbers don't lie.

3

u/IrrelevantPiglet Sep 10 '24

The total number of WW2 deaths from people aged over 50 is probably a similar number, so I guess all that bombing and invading and such was all fine right?

0

u/No-Strike-4560 Sep 10 '24

Considering the blitz , Dresden going up in flames etc I highly doubt it.

Edit : and no, I am not saying 'fuck the oldies'. But considering young people without asthma etc have negligible risk, surely it would have been better for people mental health, the economy, and young people's career prospects , to lock down the elderly and immunocompromised ONLY , and let healthy people continue going to work?

12

u/InsanityRoach Sep 10 '24

There are people who have been in 3 different car crashes and survived them all. Do we just chuck out all road and driving laws and let it be a free for all?

10

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

It’s becoming a catch all though. I know people who blame the pandemic on their weight gain in 2024. Yes it sucked but make the best of it.

4

u/IrrelevantPiglet Sep 10 '24

If it wasn't for those accursed lockdowns I definitely certainly would've gone on that diet and attended the gym every day. What cruel fate hath been wrought upon me? Oh well, 2 for 1 on pizzas tonight.

1

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

I put on a ton of weight but I at least admit it was my own fault

0

u/yrro Oxfordshire Sep 10 '24

Eat out (and in) to help out (the virus and undertakers)!

2

u/Sleepywalker69 Liverpool Sep 10 '24

I lost so much weight from just sitting on my arse all day and eating less during the lockdowns.

5

u/NuPNua Sep 10 '24

As someone who is arguably vulnerable due to mental health issues, I found the lockdowns to be a welcome break from the pace of the modern world which forced some overdue and welcome changes like work from home.

-3

u/1nfinitus Sep 10 '24

Yeah we can tell

4

u/MrPloppyHead Sep 10 '24

Lockdown would have a big impact but the idea is that the impact is less severe than simply letting the virus run. We were not able to cope with the level of infection as it was, if it was left to run it would have been significantly worse. That’s it, the lesser of two evils. It’s not like lockdowns were a new concept.

I mean what is your suggested alternative response?

5

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

I find this reaction absolutely baffling.

This isn't an anti-lockdown debate thread.

I am not, and have not, presented any argument whatsoever that there ought to have been no lockdown, and I never planned I'd have to defend myself just for posting this. But why on Earth is this thread being treated as such?

Because this study merely exists as a thing? Because any negative outcomes of it exist?

Would you prefer that these studies aren't conducted at all, lest anyone make groundless accusations that they could be anti-lockdown?

It's like people are really struggling to mentally hold two difficult truths at once:

Yes, we had to lock down. No, it of course didn't come without risks of it's own.

3

u/MrPloppyHead Sep 10 '24

I think you last sentence sums it up. And yes there should be research. I’m just tired of all the nutters and want to head them off.

1

u/Direct-Fix-2097 Sep 10 '24

Can’t mate, remember you can reason with unreasonable people, there’s already a few clowns that think because they survived covid it means it “isn’t a 100% known killer.”

Honestly they should have stayed in school.

4

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

Many kids grew up with parents travelling for work or in remote rural areas where they relied on the radio for schooling.

Most of these kids go on to be successful themselves.

Blaming lockdowns for bad parenting is just lazy.

4

u/chronicnerv Sep 10 '24

My niece was many children her age developed speech months and months later than normal babies because they could not see everyone's mouths speaking due to the face masks. That is a simple example of how a piece of cloth can delay the learning ability by months alone.

1

u/TurbulentData961 Sep 11 '24

In Japan they have been wearing masks on the tube and when sick and more for years every winter. So long as you actively speak to them , include them in convos and no baby talk they should bounce back

2

u/Freebornaiden Sep 10 '24

Yeah it's almost like an unprecedented social experiment conducted on a global scale has consequences.

Who could have guessed?

-11

u/-strawberryfrog- Sep 09 '24

You sure are putting a lot of words in my mouth. There’s a really wide delta between “the lockdowns had no effect whatsoever on anything and anybody” and “the lockdowns literally ruined humanity forever and also girls’ brains are old now”. But do go on, it seems like you need the release 🤷‍♂️

14

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

Well, to be fair here, you are the one that fucked on about how “lockdowns are going to blamed for everything now! 🤪” nonsense, on an article that is simply informing you of the harms that have been caused.

0

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

Covid deniers/lockdown sceptics are incapable of seeing nuance.

32

u/Sir_Bantersaurus Sep 09 '24

Lockdowns obviously did have a negative impact on children though as well as the mental health of adults of all ages. It was always a trade off vs the health of protecting people from a wave of COVID.

18

u/-strawberryfrog- Sep 09 '24

I think the trade off was more “sacrifice everybody’s mental health” (which undoubtedly happened) vs “have the NHS’ collapse”. I know doctors and nurses who still get the post-traumatic “Vietnam stare” when asked about 2020. It was shitty all around for sure.

7

u/PiplupSneasel Sep 10 '24

Some of us had our mental health get better, some of us realised we actually LIKED not seeing anyone.

Doctors had it tough because they saw people die then had people whine they had it worse cos they couldn't see a friend for a few months.

2

u/NuPNua Sep 10 '24

My mental health improved massively in lockdown, as did my physical health as I had time to exercise every day with no commute.

2

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

same here. it was when I was forced back to work I had the most trouble. turns out working min wage customer service was worse for me mentally than a global pandemic and being locked inside

2

u/wildeaboutoscar Sep 10 '24

I'm glad other people are able to say that, it helped me too but I always feel guilty admitting it when so many others suffered. But for me and a lot of others it was a once in a lifetime chance to reset. I'm glad it happened in a way, just not the other stuff that went along with it.

Generally though I think it did a lot of damage to society and we didn't really do anything to heal from it when lockdown ended. It's impossible to say for sure if we would have seen similar issues over the last few years had it not happened (riots, general lack of patience and empathy towards others, even crowd behaviour deteriorating), but I have a hunch it was at least partly impacted by lockdown.

2

u/Dependent_Desk_1944 Sep 10 '24

It’s the equivalent of blaming the witches in medieval times

0

u/d34dw3b Sep 10 '24

Those kids are going to have gpt10 level assistance they will be fine

-3

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

Its ridiculous. Like yes, the lockdowns were hard, but pretty much everyone I know never talks about them anymore and dont feel that the lockdowns affected them too much. Personally, I dont think they were that bad, and anything bad that has been caused by it is preferable to the deaths COVID would have caused without the lockdowns. E.g, My extremely vulnerable grandad, dad, uncle and probably my nan all could have been at risk of dying. Luckily, none of them caught it. My dad only caught it after having some of the jabs which I think helped him fight it off better (he has no spleen so a very weak immune system, if he had no jabs and caught it it would have been deadly).

4

u/-strawberryfrog- Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

Well, apparently your dad, grandad, uncle and nan were totally expendable and you’re a freedom- and poor people-hating serf if you think otherwise!

2

u/meinnit99900 Sep 10 '24

Also half the people still banging on about them weren’t following lockdown rules anyway

41

u/Inside_Field_8894 Sep 09 '24

Wasn't it already established that girls matured faster than boys up to a point and then they catch up when puberty really kicks in? I remember being told this was the case something like 10 years ago.

52

u/strawbebbymilkshake Sep 10 '24

I always assumed this was more social. Girls are expected to be responsible and mature, boys are allowed to fart and play in mud.

7

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

I was in school in the 2000's and it was expected that the boys would play football and they were messing around throwing pencils at eachother, but the girls are rolling their eyes wanting them to grow up and spending their lunchtimes talking to the teacher instead of actually playing. I qould imagine its similar now, but even before the age of 11, girls were expected to be the sensible and mature ones who were looking at the teacher and rolling their eyes at boys throwing pencils, the girls weren't really allowed to be kids as well

2

u/timmystwin Across the DMZ in Exeter Sep 10 '24

I wish I was allowed to fart and play in mud.

I mean I'm 30, so not a boy any more, but still.

20

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

[removed] — view removed comment

11

u/caiaphas8 Yorkshire Sep 10 '24

Flag raiser? What flags are being raised in your primary school?

4

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

[removed] — view removed comment

2

u/caiaphas8 Yorkshire Sep 10 '24

I’m hoping that’s in china and not the UK

5

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

Im going to assume yes given that a quick look at their profile shows theyre in the china life subreddit.....

-5

u/Marconi7 Sep 10 '24

But I thought gender was a social construct with no basis in biological reality??

10

u/csgymgirl Sep 10 '24

Do you not think societal expectations might contribute to this difference?

-3

u/Marconi7 Sep 10 '24

No I don’t. Societal expectations are downstream from biology.

5

u/milzB Sep 10 '24

oh yes it is my URERUS, LARGE GAMETES and XX CHROMOSOMES that make me an ideal prefect, not my upbringing and socialisation???

1

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

biological sex is not the same as gender roles.

25

u/Unfair-Link-3366 Sep 09 '24

This week’s saint of the sub: Lucy Letby

This week’s devil of the sub: Lockdowns

Honourable mention: Keir Starmer

19

u/No_Foot Sep 09 '24

The Lucy stuff would be perfect for a disinfo campaign looking to fuck with us. Shit on the British government and turn people against a major western healthcare institution. 'Not content with killing our grans and injecting us with a killer jab they then murdered innocent children and pinned it on an innocent white British nurse' it's the sort of thing that would attract low info people like flies round shit.

5

u/Unfair-Link-3366 Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

It’s already led to assaults of witnesses. You’re right, the Letby truthers are peddling dangerous rhetoric.

It’s like Trump peddling electoral fraud conspiracies, which led to Jan 6th attack

0

u/No_Foot Sep 10 '24

Yeah absolutly, it's incredibly dangerous especially when people become radicalised by that sort of thing. I haven't read anything about the case but generally have faith in the British justice system, but the thought of someone getting wrongfully sentences for something like that is horrifying and incredibly emotive. Combine that with evil state doctors murdering kids.. In fact it's too perfect and I'd be seriously Suprised if this WASN'T being pushed deliberately.

8

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

The Venn diagram of Lucy Letby truthers and lockdown sceptics being a flat circle, imagine my shock.

2

u/1nfinitus Sep 10 '24

I would actually say those camps are complete opposites, the overlap is minimal.

21

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24

There needs to be to room to discuss and acknowledge this fact without people rushing to declare anybody “anti-lockdown” or a covid skeptic as there used to be when people expressed this concern 4 years ago.

12

u/LobsterMountain4036 Sep 09 '24

I’m over caring whether someone calls me anti-lockdown or COVID sceptic if I express any questions.

6

u/Any-Wall2929 Sep 09 '24

I just think it was handled poorly and some people became obsessed. It really didn't bother me tbh, I had a great time. Walk to the beach and have a swim each day once the weather had warmed up. Go on frequent bike rides. Yeah limited to go out for exercise once a day, as if anyone is counting.

20

u/LobsterMountain4036 Sep 09 '24

I had to work through all the lockdowns while others were put on furlough and later made redundant while having to pick up their work loads and then burning out.

6

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

Yep. I have a close family member who works at a company where 50% of the staff were furloughed. Naturally they furloughed the shit staff and kept the hard workers on.

My relative was kept on and had to occasionally use her holiday allowance when business was quiet and there was no work for them.

After 8 weeks or so, the furloughed staff returned with all of their holiday allowance intact and had first dibs on when to take it.

1

u/meinnit99900 Sep 10 '24

My mum’s neighbour had a go at her for walking the dog twice but my mum told her to fuck off and that was the end of it

-2

u/Reasonable_State2009 Sep 09 '24

It didn’t bother me either, I lived my life as normal, parties etc.

4

u/CongealedBeanKingdom Sep 10 '24

OK Boris

0

u/Reasonable_State2009 Sep 10 '24

Just a normal fella who can think for himself.

-5

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

Have a gold medal darling. 🥇

Fucking Christ..

11

u/Affectionate_You7621 Sep 09 '24

I think it's summing up the individualism in this country. I was fine so what? Did other people have a bad time or something?

0

u/Any-Wall2929 Sep 09 '24

Did I not say it was handled poorly? I could say I was doing great so I don't care.

5

u/pikantnasuka Sep 10 '24

I was never anti lockdown or a covid skeptic, but I always had major concerns about some elements of lockdowns. Child protection social work should not have been abandoned the way it was. If we ever have to do something like that again, having had the honesty and courage to assess what we got right and where we fucked up last time round can only be helpful. Pro lockdown people should be more behind these sorts of conversations than anyone else- if they want support for any future such measures should they be necessary, they will need to show we have understood who suffered and where we went wrong last time and that we know how to do it better in future.

Although it is my sincere hope we don't ever have another one.

-11

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

The whole article sounds like complete bullshit. MRI scans to record premature brain aging? Catch yourself on. That's not how shit works.

5

u/LobsterMountain4036 Sep 09 '24

State your credentials, bruv.

-8

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

A modicum of wit.

9

u/DebraUknew Sep 09 '24

I sometimes compare the pandemic and children living through WW2 in some degree. As in disruption to schooling, being isolated as in being evacuated . fear of family well-being socialisation being disrupted.

I don’t know if there were any studies done after the war or afterwards about the war generation. It will be interesting to see.

3

u/wildeaboutoscar Sep 10 '24

Yeah I agree I think it would be interesting. There's been plenty of other wars since WWII though that could be used, Ukraine for one.

5

u/Jabberminor Derbyshire me duck Sep 09 '24

Can they definitively say that the aging is a bad thing? Why couldn't it be phrased as 'girls matured more than the usual rate, in comparison to boys'? Unless I've missed something here.

5

u/Lopsided_Afternoon41 Sep 10 '24

You'd get less clicks phrasing it your way.

1

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

Can they definitively say that the aging is a bad thing?

From the article...

"MRI scans found evidence of premature brain ageing in both boys and girls, but girls’ brains appeared on average 4.2 years older than expected after lockdowns, compared with 1.4 years older for boys.

It is unclear whether the changes have negative consequences, but the findings have raised concerns that they might affect adolescents’ mental health and potential to learn.

[...]

More studies are needed to see whether the brain ageing affects cognitive performance, but Kuhl notes that premature cortical thinning is linked to early life adversity and a greater risk of neuropsychiatric disorders. Cortical thinning is crucial for the brain to specialise, but that comes with a loss of cognitive flexibility that could potentially affect learning."

Why couldn't it be phrased as 'girls matured more than the usual rate, in comparison to boys'?

The current description matches the article as far as I can see. What's the problem with it?

4

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

So glad I don't have kids. They really got screwed by lockdown, from a social and educational point of view.

1

u/bluecheese2040 Sep 10 '24

In spite of the fact that men died in vastly greater numbers...the guardian has pushed the line that women are the true victims of covid since it began.

This isn't a gendered point more a point about how certain media outlets pick a story and run with it.

1

u/yiminx Durham Sep 10 '24

is it really pushing a narrative to point out how Covid affected women and girls? especially in a time when VAWG is at its peak? i think we’re all still aware it affected everyone in awful ways, and we all suffered. it’s not really a “gendered issue” as much as you think it is

1

u/bluecheese2040 Sep 10 '24

While I respect your reply and thank you for your tone there's so much in there I'd challenge but I just don't have time. So I'd say...respectfully agree to disagree on this one.

2

u/CensorTheologiae Sep 10 '24

I don't suppose anyone's interested in the fact that this journal paper is bonkers? A classic of fitting the (very limited) study data to a preconceived conclusion. It doesn't even consider any other possible factor!

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2403200121

I don't know what the Guardian are playing at but whatever it is, it isn't science reporting.

2

u/External-Praline-451 Sep 09 '24

How do they know if it was lockdown or Covid infections?

2

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

That's what I thought when I read the article. The only brief mention I could find in the paper was this:

And finally, we do not know whether contraction of the COVID-19 virus itself may have contributed to these findings, though in the community from which our study sample was derived, COVID-19 prevalence was widespread, and we have found no reports of a sex disparity in contraction of the virus.

This seems such a massive confounding factor that I struggle to take any of the paper that seriously.

1

u/External-Praline-451 Sep 10 '24

Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous.

1

u/LJ-696 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24

One day they will actually link the actual study.

Will be interesting to see what the long term would be. Was it harmful? Well as the study says "maybe, maybe not" only time can tell.

1

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '24

Pisses me of to no end that they never fucking link it :|

Just why?

1

u/LJ-696 Sep 10 '24

I know right.

It's research darn it! I don't want a journalists opinion. I want the pure facts and how they came to that conclusion.

1

u/Little_Writing7455 Sep 10 '24

This makes sense. Girls are expected to have more home responsibilities, and this was the perfect opportunity to learn them at a faster rate since you can't do anything else.

1

u/No-Impact1573 Sep 10 '24

Lockdown ate my hamster!! Give it a rest with this crap.

0

u/PollingBoot Sep 10 '24

Yeah, but think of all those 86 year-olds whose lives we saved by giving our children behavioural disorders and racking up massive national debts.

0

u/yucalo Sep 10 '24

I dunno but I do have know someone who was a sweet 5 year old before lockdowns. Now she's 10, acts like 16, and has an unhealthy obsession with historic world dictators, enjoys cosplaying as a nazi.. 🤷

Not sure what to make of it. I think kts mostly stuff she's picked up from YouTube (which I don't think is safe for kids at all)

-1

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

People talk about lockdowns as if we were all literally locked inside our homes.

We could still go out, get some air, do some exercise etc provided we weren’t Covid positive. We could also speak to friends and family over the phone or FaceTime. I know it’s not the same, but still.

I was stressed during lockdowns but that was mostly because I was working from home for what felt like 18 hours per day. I was also worried for my grandparents and parents.

Obviously there are people in the world with more issues but to be blunt, if you needed a support network before Covid it’s likely your life wouldn’t turn out to be an easy ride in the future.

18

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

Yeah. People could get air.. Walk about for a bit.

People do need more than that though don’t they? Especially families with children.

“Oh well if they needed help, they were probs just fucked anyway” People used this same heartless logic to excuse the death of the vulnerable and elderly.

-1

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

What about families with children?

17

u/No-Strike-4560 Sep 09 '24

Yeah great.

Now imagine what it was like for people like me who live alone.

8

u/Reasonable_State2009 Sep 09 '24

We could still go out, get some air, do some exercise etc provided we weren’t Covid positive.

Should have been able to do all those things even whilst covid positive.

We could also speak to friends and family over the phone or FaceTime. I know it’s not the same, but still.

Oh how thoughtful of our government overlords.

3

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

Should have been able to do all those things even whilst covid positive.

Thousands of people were dying every day at one point. If you had covid and were allowed to go outside for exercise, how quickly does that turn into popping in a cafe or supermarket? Next thing you know you've spread it to a dozen other people.

0

u/Reasonable_State2009 Sep 10 '24

How many 85 year olds with 2 or more pre-existing conditions do you bump into in Tesco?

1

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

You're being deliberately obtuse. Insulting, frankly. Have you ever been to a supermarket? There's elderly people everywhere. The point I'm making is it's an enclosed space where lots of people congregate, catch the virus, then pass it on to friends and family. That's how the spread happens.

Weird age for you to pick also. My friend's dad died of covid, he was 50.

1

u/Reasonable_State2009 Sep 10 '24

Yeah go to a supermarket weekly, like normal people, don’t hold hands with old people there and the volume of the buildings are usually quite vast.

What did your friend’s dad weigh? What pre-existing conditions did he have?

1

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

What did your friend’s dad weigh? What pre-existing conditions did he have?

Don't have a clue. It's besides the point. At least a third of middle aged Britons have two or more chronic health issues. That's millions and millions of high risk people, not a subset of 80 year olds.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/28/a-third-of-middle-aged-uk-adults-have-at-least-two-chronic-health-issues-study

1

u/Reasonable_State2009 Sep 10 '24

Don’t have a clue.

Have a guess.

It’s besides the point.

No it isn’t, healthy people were barely affected.

At least a third of middle aged Britons have two or more chronic health issues. That’s millions and millions of high risk people, not a subset of 80 year olds.

That’s because they’re fat.

8

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

People also overestimate how long the strict lockdowns lasted. It was 3 months. Something like that. I remember going back out to bars and cafes, sitting outside, social distancing in restaurants, etc. That all lasted much longer, sure, but I don't consider that part of a 'lockdown' and acting like this destroyed society and our personal development is pathetic.

4

u/smelly_forward Sep 10 '24

First one was 4 months. March-July, gyms only reopened at the end of the month. then the november one, then January-April/May. I was working away and had to eat my tea at the hotel outside in late April and it was still fucking baltic.

5

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

[deleted]

4

u/-strawberryfrog- Sep 10 '24

This is sad and I feel for you, I do. I hope you are getting help to get past it and move on.

But you do realize that lockdowns were an attempt at helping people like your hospital worker parent, no? With no lockdowns the contagion rate would have caused the NHS to collapse. The pandemic already had a devastating effect on our healthcare workers, I can’t imagine what would have happened with no “lower the curve” measures and I don’t see what the alternative was supposed to be. Refuse people turning up at the hospital, tell HCW to let people die without treatment and just let it rip through the old and the immunocompromised?

2

u/smelly_forward Sep 10 '24

People talk about lockdowns as if we were all literally locked inside our homes.

We could still go out, get some air, do some exercise etc provided we weren’t Covid positive

That was great if you live in a nice detached house next to/in the countryside. For me being at my parents' it was fine, I went running almost every day and walked the dog with my mates and a bag of cans at the weekend.

Not the same experience if you lived in a flat in a run down shithole city where "the outside" is bleak and depressing.

-11

u/Blazured Sep 09 '24

Yeah I just worked out because I had plenty of free time to stop being skinny. Covid wasn't exactly a net negative (assuming no one you knew died from it) if folk put the effort in.

5

u/Unhappy_Spell_9907 Sep 10 '24

It's not about effort. It's about the impact of enforced isolation on different individuals. You found it fairly easy and worked out a lot. That's great, but it's not going to be the same for everyone. Imagine you have serious and enduring mental illness and you require large amounts of support to cope with your day to day experience. This could include community groups, such as a local community centre's coffee morning as well as groups run by Mind and similar. You also see a support worker two or three times a week to ensure you're keeping on top of things and coping reasonably well.

Then COVID hits and all of that suddenly stops. Now everything is via phone and video call, which you find difficult. All your groups stop and you no longer have a weekly routine. You're trapped inside with your own thoughts 24 hours a day with no end in sight and your mental health starts to spiral out of control. But now your safety plan is impossible and you can't get any of the support you need, so you decline even further. Then you end up either dead or acutely unwell in hospital requiring a placement in a secure psychiatric unit for your own safety.

This is just an example, but it illustrates the impact of lockdowns on vulnerable groups when support is removed suddenly and nothing helpful is put in place to replace it.

-4

u/Blazured Sep 10 '24

I did have those things too. Support was still there.

3

u/Unhappy_Spell_9907 Sep 10 '24

No it wasn't. Not really. Not if you have severe and enduring mental health problems. This means more than depression or anxiety, it means very complex mental illness that's difficult to manage and requires long term support.

-4

u/Blazured Sep 10 '24

Yeah I did have that. The support was still there as a lot of NHS support is done over the phone anyway. Support workers had a lot more restrictions but they were still capable of supporting during covid.

4

u/Unhappy_Spell_9907 Sep 10 '24

I mentioned more than NHS support. Many mentally ill people prefer face to face support or have issues using the phone.

2

u/Blazured Sep 10 '24

NHS support is where you get this treatment. They need to refer you.

5

u/Unhappy_Spell_9907 Sep 10 '24

No, not necessarily. Mind generally operate based on self referrals. Other support can be from social services funded care or through other mental health charities. I also mentioned community groups, which can be a significant source of support and don't usually require NHS referrals.

In any case, you have not addressed the issues with safety plans which became impossible with lockdown.

0

u/Blazured Sep 10 '24

My safety plan was that they just phoned me at awkward times.

But ultimately if someone struggled during covid then they would have killed themselves and got it over with. Anyone else who made it through covid clearly weren't as badly affected by it. So covid can no longer be used as an excuse.

→ More replies (0)

-7

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

[deleted]

11

u/Party_Government8579 Sep 09 '24

What

-10

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

[deleted]

8

u/Onewordcommenting Sep 09 '24

Pardon?

8

u/SlightProgrammer Sep 09 '24

what are you on, cause I want some

8

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

You should seek help if you’re still strung up on the events of four years ago.

1

u/AonghusMacKilkenny Sep 10 '24

Who's wanking in their gardens?

0

u/BeastMidlands Sep 10 '24

Baffling

-1

u/Greenawayer Sep 10 '24

The amount of people just openly bragging about wanking in their lovely gardens like nothing else was happening, nobody should be suffering, is such a fucking joke.

It's Reddit. Lockdowns were a glorious paradise for the shut-ins. They got be normal people for once, rather than go outside.

-4

u/Decent_Flamingo2286 Sep 09 '24

Covid is still gonna be the blame for problems in 2030. Give it up.

6

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

Yes I can't believe a global pandemic resulted in any issues down the line, isn't it shocking? It all ended in 2021 but people are still having a moan aren't they?! /s

Covid lockdowns prematurely aged girls’ brains more than boys’, study finds

You are about to leave Redlib