Same here. When I was in the 4th grade, I was given an IQ test. I wasn't told (or I probably just wasn't paying attention) my score, but all I know is that I got placed in a lot of advanced classes with one other kid in my grade. It was just the two of us sitting alone in a classroom learning algebra and such. I couldn't pay attention, and my teachers were really surprised.
I realized that my high IQ was my only saving grace to get me to graduate high school/college. I was a great test taker (using deductive reasoning more than what I learned) , and that was what got me through with a 3.0 in college. Too bad a higher IQ really just means you're good at taking tests.
What are you basing this on? It makes some sense, especially openness.
I do know creativity isn't correlated with schizophrenia but is with bipolar disorder(hypomania) and schizotypal personality disorder.
This could also partially explain the over-representation of people with bipolar disorder(the hypomanic kind) in certain positions like writers(books, movies etc.) and art!
I couldn't find the paper I was specifically looking for, but it's easy to find papers demonstrating that attention and intelligence work apart from one other at bare minimum.
If I recall there are over a dozen genes that control for DA receptor polymorphisms behind ADHD, so intuitively one would think that it's possible to leave certain aspects of working memory untouched by the disorder. When you can't filter out information in the surrounding environment, if you have ADHD you're trying to integrate that into your working memory all of the time, this probably leads to more widespread connectivity, entropy, and strong semantic connections. There's also a fair amount of comorbidity with disorders like bipolar, so it would be hard to tease out correlation from causation.
Mmm I have both, but I'm not terribly creative (well unless it is some weird plan, mentally creative, not physically) and I'm a happy conservative, who is happy to talk to everyone from every political spectrum.
I am definitely not disparaging the IQ test, I'm just saying that coupled with my ADHD, it didn't really help me out in school as far as learning goes.
I think of it as the parenting paradigm I recently read about where if you tell your child "you did really well on your test because you are smarter than most" can cause a child not to study because they think they are already ahead of the curve. If you tell your child "you did really well on your test because you really studied and tried hard", then they will see the correlation behind hard work and achievement. I was definitely the first of the two and never tried hard at anything until after college.
Holy crap are you me? I was put into Jr Achiever's, never felt like I should have been there. I was as smart as everyone there if not smarter, but could never finish assignments or write essays or focus at all. Skated through high school barely passing just based on being able to not study for a test and reason my way through all the multiple choice questions super easily.
Yeah basically. I had a 3.4 or so in high school and a 3.0 in college, but I never took one honors class, and only studied a handful of times in college. I definitely skated through and learned next to nothing.
I tested so high I was placed in cal2 without having to take cal1. funny thing about calculus, you have to do your homework. needless to say, I fucked up
So much this. It was basically my downfall and the only thing that I ever struggled with. Before then, I was able to breeze my way through all the previous mth courses with little to no studying. Calculus hit me like a freight train as a result.
the same thing happened to me, breezed though school never studied, then calculus fucked me up. I was so confused, thought I was stupid.. unfortunately struggled through uni, was diagnosed with hypothyriod and was told for years that my trouble concentrating was related to that. Was diagnosed with inattentive ADHD two years ago at 39 :( I feel like I've lost so much time.
Same. I was diagnosed with it in my mid 30s and did the Adderall thing for a couple years. Stopped taking it for a few years to see if I could continue to function as well without it but about to start back up. I just enjoyed life more and got a lot more done. Sure, the side effects sucked but now I've been off long enough that I'm positive that my life was actually better when I was on than being off it.
I struggled all the way up to Calc 1, which I bombed. Then I got put in Precalc, which I also bombed. I was able to pass Calc 1 and then Calc 2 (but not before bombing that). I don't want to do math ever again. And yet I have a habit of doing mental arithmetic whenever it comes up just to prove to myself that I can.
And now I do it professionally! A lifetime of 'smartwork' over hardwork has given me the skillset to adapt hardwork to smartwork at an enterprise level! Haven't "worked" for awhile now, just enjoying making everyones lives easier, one business process at a time :^)
I feel like an IQ test shouldn't allow you to miss a whole subject. A high IQ doesn't allow you to channel information from the cosmos. You still need to know cal 1 to do cal 2, unless the cal 2 course offers like a crash course version of cal 1.
In my experience many IQ testers wont reveal your score to prevent inflated egos/low self esteem. Also using IQ to place classes seems really wrong and prone to fail
Same. I almost flunked out because I put off a required math class until my final semester. At the beginning my grade started ok then took a sharp decline. I knew I had ADHD but wasn't diagnosed, went home to visit my family and my mom gave me a leftover bottle of my brother's Concerta, and in the final month I got an A on all coursework, barely making it.
I'm diagnosed now and on Adderall, but I really don't like it. Taking notes from this thread on what to try for medication.
Yeah I never got diagnosed/ prescribed until after college, but now I narrate audiobooks, and I can't believe how easy it is to simply sit back and work for hours.
Are you me? My test was in 4th grade and then I was placed in a "gifted program". It is like what you describe, I guess it is just being really clever that got me through this. There is a test today? I guess I will give it a shot. That was me.
I had a math teacher in HS that got frustrated with me. To his credit, he was the only teacher that figured out what I was doing. Maybe he could tell because he was a math teacher and that subject just made it easier to see. The more likely answer is that he was good at his job and most of the other teachers were not. Anyway, he told me how frustrated he was and that I could be doing much more challenging work than the other students. He said something like, " I do enjoy grading your tests. It is like you are seeing the material for the first time and have to create your own way to find the answer". So yeah, it is just deduction and being clever that got me through.
After college my Dr figured it out and put me on adderall. When I began my masters work I could suddenly prioritize homework and tasks without being overehelemed and turning off. I went from a 3.0 in undergrad to the top of my graduate class with what seems like no effort at all. Best part is that I retained it all.
yeah exactly. My freshman year of college I took Physical Science, and evidently the intended professor quit last minute, so a high level physics professor taught the class. He was a terrible teacher, and had some great quotes like "what do you mean how do you solve this? You solve it by solving it."
I made a 42/100 on one of our exams, and after the curve I made a 116.
IQ is not just being good at tests, its for all practical purposes intelligence of the kind you can't learn.
Its a great predictor of how well someone does in life(income, health, crime etc.) and this obviously also includes ones educational achievement.
(Fluid)Intelligence/IQ is the hardware while education/knowledge is the software.
A good software makes no difference if the hardware is an old single core 1.2Ghz CPU with an integrated GPU and 512mb of RAM.
Obviously, you're not gonna set any records of intellectual achievement with that.
But having great hardware but a shitty, flawed OS/software means you can't use all that awesome computing power. Its wasted and it will never reach its true potential.
Simply having a high intelligence means you and can learn things others can't, more easily and faster. Obviously this relies on you actually putting yourself in a situation where you can learn stuff, like in school etc.
Having a high IQ means you have much greater potential/capability for problem solving, learning, spotting patterns etc. Its absolutely invaluable.
And no, in case you are wondering, it is not 'culturally' or 'racially' biased despite there being large differences between the races and ethnicities!
Joe Rogan is a perfect example of someone who is not so intelligent but extremely 'well' read. He has read about almost everything yet barely understand any of what he has read even on a surface level.
You frequently see him ask these questions that you would think someone who has read about 'subject X' wouldn't ask yet here he is doing just that. He knows about things but has huge problems understanding them!
Don't get me wrong, he does the right thing and does what every stupid person should!
He asks questions instead of relying on his own brain and he is the first person to tell you he doesn't know. He also constantly tries despite not easily understanding it, which is very important and commendable!
Most smart people could learn a thing or two about from Joe Rogan, respect!
Make no mistake, education/knowledge is no substitute for intelligence/IQ and neither is intelligence a substitute for education/knowledge.
I'm a little confused about what you are trying to say, but then it may be my fault if I was not clear. So I'll reword my first comment on this thread; I have ADHD, and I have a high IQ. I never cared/ payed attention in school, so I assume that my high IQ is the reason I still graduated with an okay GPA despite not studying.
I'm not trying to cut down on the IQ test, or people who have a low IQ. I think that intelligence is just one piece of the puzzle and that Emotional Quotient (EQ), life experience, and probably many more factors are just as important.
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u/iknowdanjones May 30 '17
Same here. When I was in the 4th grade, I was given an IQ test. I wasn't told (or I probably just wasn't paying attention) my score, but all I know is that I got placed in a lot of advanced classes with one other kid in my grade. It was just the two of us sitting alone in a classroom learning algebra and such. I couldn't pay attention, and my teachers were really surprised.
I realized that my high IQ was my only saving grace to get me to graduate high school/college. I was a great test taker (using deductive reasoning more than what I learned) , and that was what got me through with a 3.0 in college. Too bad a higher IQ really just means you're good at taking tests.