r/wallstreetbets • u/MikeMikeGaming AI bubble survivor • Jan 28 '25

News Trump To Tariff Chips Made In Taiwan, Targeting TSMC

https://au.pcmag.com/computers-electronics/109466/trump-to-tariff-chips-made-in-taiwan-targeting-tsmc

Why don't we kick Nvidia while it's down am I rite?

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u/HiSno Jan 28 '25

I’m fully convinced now that this guy truly has no idea about what’s going on. How does the tech industry even function with something like this? The US AI industry is surely cooked with 100% tariffs on Taiwanese chips right? This is just a straight capitulation to China

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

How does this even begin to benefit his tech bros, especially after Deepseek today?

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u/HiSno Jan 28 '25

Everything about the past week has been so unhinged, maybe he’s not listening to anyone or the people advising him have ulterior motives… little about this first week makes sense… time will tell, but we’re probably in for a rough 4 years if this is how it’s gonna be

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

Probably? It is definitely going to be a rough next few years. I swear, I feel like I'm going insane. It's crazy coming to this sub because you think people here would love the guy. You know, because of greed and stuff. But most people even here on a gambling sub see him for what he is and, honestly, that makes it a little better for me. You guys aren't political or full of great morals, you're just relatively normal weirdos and that means a lot.

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u/anonymousbopper767 Jan 28 '25

Everyone thinks they want to stick their dick in crazy. Then they wake up with Trump cutting their balls off and charging a tariff to get them back.

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u/DrossChat Jan 28 '25

Listen, how about you stop getting us all sweaty in the undergarments eh? Got me squelching over here at the thought of it bucko

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u/Chuckins1 Jan 28 '25

Gonna take this content back to my goon cave

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u/Cyber_Fetus Jan 28 '25

In this case he spent all night at the bar shouting to anyone and everyone that he’d cut their balls off and they took him home anyway.

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u/-Thick_Solid_Tight- Jan 28 '25

Most investors just want stability and predictability which uh is the opposite of him.

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u/davidmt1995 Jan 28 '25

This is what I had been saying for 4 years about Biden. Biden could be boring and "senile" but he brought stability and predictability

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u/ScaryGate8385 Jan 28 '25

You think we’re investors? Bless your heart!

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u/-Thick_Solid_Tight- Jan 28 '25

Volatile markets don't have much use if you have no idea when the tweet that tanks the market comes.

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u/TUBE___CITY Jan 29 '25

And, more importantly, someone else does

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u/Oggie_Doggie Jan 28 '25

In WSB speak, most people go to the blackjack table expecting to play blackjack, not placing their bets and getting handed a mag loaded pistol, and the dealer telling you the game is actually Russian Roulette.

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u/lemurtowne Booty Cherisher Jan 28 '25

Stay sane, my man. This shit gets heavy.

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u/blindexhibitionist Jan 28 '25

Last time I did. I let everything get me. This time around I’ve closed my circle. I look at what is the immediate thing that I can do to help the people who I actually know and encounter. It’s not head in the sand, but it’s working to not let fear rule. It’s their tactic. I personally know how devastating it can be. If you’re feeling stressed go for a walk. See nature in whatever form you can. And yeah man it’s fucked but it’s your choice if you let them fuck you

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u/HesFromBarrancas Jan 28 '25

This sub has incisive critical thinking, because people here are interested in all elements of the economy and, by association, the society. No joke.

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u/Fogge Jan 28 '25

Few years? Americans can turn Trump into a ten month problem if they start today, or it will turn into a ten year problem at the very best.

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

How can we turn him into a ten mo th problem?

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u/Fogge Jan 28 '25

General strike to get rid of the current regime, and then a complete rebuilding of the American institutions. In ten months, that might have a semblance of a chance to be a functioning country again.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

This sub was quite pro, or at least neutral towards, Trump in his first term. Because compared to now, 2017-2020 Trump was almost chill. There were memes, the stock market was doing fine riding the waves after recovering under 8 years of Obama-based stability. To be clear, Trump fucked a lot of things up back then, but nothing was as immediately catastrophic as anything he's done in just one week now.

I don't know when exactly WSB made a heel turn but its been extremely negative towards Trump and conservatives for a while now. Even the degenerates here caught on to the absolute bullshit of it all, I guess.

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

I think a lot of people realized under Biden that they didn't need Trump to make money. And then they realized, hey, maybe Trump isn't so great for business.

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u/ScaryGate8385 Jan 28 '25

Dad, is that you? I’ve looking for you. First thing I read today that makes me smile.

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u/skilliard7 Jan 28 '25

People on here were super enthusiastic for Trump all the way up until the point he got inaugurated and people saw his true colors.

I tried to warn people that is way more unhinged than he was last term, and got mass downvoted.

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

I think a lot of people just thought it would be like the first term and we would get through it. Even a lot of us who were dreading this didn't think it would be this chaotic

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u/JohnMayerismydad Jan 28 '25

We got money on the line lol, he’s too unhinged to even gamble on. He’s gonna magician himself into tanking everything, but in an unpredictable regarded way

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u/ManHoFerSnow Jan 28 '25

It's reddit and it still farther left than the general.

Reddit does not represent real life or Kam Kam would've won.

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

And I think we can all agree that would have been for the best

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u/ManHoFerSnow Jan 28 '25

Easy to agree when you're in an echo chamber. I agree with you, for the record.

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

You're not wrong, but at the same time...isn't this all nuts?

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u/ManHoFerSnow Jan 28 '25

Absolutely! Lower your expectations of people it's gonna get rough. Best of luck to us all

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u/Project2025IsOn Jan 28 '25

This sub got overtaken by redditors.

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u/sgst Jan 28 '25

maybe he’s not listening to anyone

I asked this in another thread somewhere else recently, but didn't get a decent answer. How can he do so much unilaterally? Don't things like this need to go through Congress or the Senate? Sorry, ignorant non-american here. Where I am the prime minister can propose stuff like this, but it has to go through Parliament and the Lords to be enacted, so no one person has too much power.

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u/HiSno Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

Typically congress would act as a check to the presidency, but given that both chambers are controlled by Republicans and republican congresspeople are scared of Trump, there is little in the way of a check coming from Congress.

Trump also seems to be pushing unconstitutional orders, such as firing Inspector Generals, trying to get rid of birthright citizenship, and just a few hours ago pausing federal money that is controlled by Congress. He is trying to push the boundaries of his power, i think at this point we have to hope that the courts will stop his unconstitutional orders

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u/meistermichi Jan 28 '25

i think at this point we have to hope that the courts will stop his unconstitutional orders

Supreme court is majority "conservative", no one is gonna do anything against his shenanigans.

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u/rocky3rocky Jan 28 '25

“John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.” -President Andrew Jackson

Why would they listen to the courts if no one with any actual force (guns) is going to stop them? Trump's fans also have carte blanche now to raid any civic building if they don't like what the government officials are doing there (considering he pardoned the Jan6 people, he can just keep pardoning them again).

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u/ADTP28 Jan 28 '25

The supreme court can say something is illegal, but what can they do to enforce those laws?

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u/WhyIsSocialMedia Jan 28 '25

He spent his first term trying to dismantle all of those. Now it's getting to the point where he's just doing stuff, and there are too many people in place to easily fight back.

Worst case scenario is he did all that, and then in the meantime dementia has seriously started hitting him. This might explain why when you look at the overall policies, it seems like they don't actually represent anyone.

It's scary because MAD doesn't even work with someone like this in charge.

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u/Sharkbait_ooohaha Jan 28 '25

Congress has traditionally granted power to the president’s to enact tariffs but also remember most of what Trump is doing right now he actually doesn’t have authority to do. He’s just doing it anyway and seeing if anyone stops him, if he’s stopped then he can claim he tried, if he’s not then he can do whatever he wants.

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u/mrsavealot Jan 28 '25

Tariffs generally need to go through a legal process he can’t magically implement them, unless he declares emergencies. Most articles don’t mention any of that because they want to freak people out. That said he is flouting all norms so who knows what would really happen and what the government will go along with.

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u/Pacify_ Jan 28 '25

maybe he’s not listening to anyone or the people advising him

You think Trump still has people advising him that aren't just yes men?

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u/emp-sup-bry Jan 28 '25

Do you think Trump can write a sentence about what he did at work today with a correct noun and verb? He has a team of very smart and very angry people writing these Executive Orders. He’s definitely not working OT hours planning.

The game is to overturn existing precedent now that they have Congress (that will do nothing) and then get it overturned by their Supreme Court.

The right has been seething about reasonable people telling Nixon no and enacting the Impoundment Control Act in 74 so now we see Trump stopping funding to everything. It’s clear this is yet another long game meant to consolidate power. You think Trump can think past whenever his next golf poop is to play long games?

Yes, he absolutely has people pulling his strings. Question is only do they do it outright and he parrots as long as he can grift or are they planting seeds and watering with praise letting him think it’s his idea.

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u/Oggie_Doggie Jan 28 '25

He is listening to the likes of the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society.

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u/emp-sup-bry Jan 28 '25

Do you think Trump can write a sentence about what he did at work today with a correct noun and verb? He has a team of very smart and very angry people writing these Executive Orders. He’s definitely not working OT hours planning.

The game is to overturn existing precedent now that they have Congress (that will do nothing) and then get it overturned by their Supreme Court.

The right has been seething about reasonable people telling Nixon no and enacting the Impoundment Control Act in 74 so now we see Trump stopping funding to everything. It’s clear this is yet another long game meant to consolidate power. You think Trump can think past whenever his next golf poop is to play long games?

Yes, he absolutely has people pulling his strings. Question is only do they do it outright and he parrots as long as he can grift or are they planting seeds and watering with praise letting him think it’s his idea.

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u/agentfelix Jan 28 '25

I see it more as, there is someone within his circle, or a foreign power that benefits from this move and has offered him a chunk of the rewards in return. This man never does anything without the intent of attempting to grift.

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u/FloRidinLawn Jan 28 '25

He can’t be both solo successful and dumb. Previous one was both senior and a criminal mastermind too? They can’t be both

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u/Pacify_ Jan 28 '25

Trump has never been successful at anything but real estate (which literally anyone could be) and talking shit

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u/FloRidinLawn Jan 28 '25

He just grifted several billion dollars, his stocks AND meme coins. He makes money selling Chinese shoes and trading cards. Even outside of real estate. He is financially successful. I dunno his bills etc. he knows how to make himself money. It is the greed

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

The people telling him what to do are Accelerationist psychopaths who want to bring the global economy to its knees. They want to break everything because they think that's the best way to bring about the glorious future they envision, in which they are some kind of elite caste of god-kings ushering in a shining new world.

They are so high on their own supply they haven't ever considered just how fucking stupid this is.

If you want to know what these absolute degenerates are trying (and succeeding) to do, read up on guys like Curtis Yarvin. His stupid ideology is a significant driver behind these jackasses.

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u/sardaukarqc Jan 28 '25

Not a single adult in the room.

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u/Sumrise Jan 28 '25

maybe he’s not listening to anyone

I'd bet on "he listen to everyone one at a time".

Like on monday he does a Musk suggestion, on tuesday he listened to a decrepit republican....

And what we see is the result of that "last one who talked to him is right".

So imagine "Twitch play pokemon but more racist" at the head of the US and you're gonna be on the money.

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u/r_lovelace Jan 28 '25

Twitch plays Pokemon had the option to enter democracy mode. By the end of this, that option will be removed.

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u/joshocar Jan 28 '25

Unlike his first term his staff has him very isolated. In his first term you could literally call him on his phone and he would answer the call and chat. Not anymore, they have him pretty locked down. What we are seeing is him with no one reigning him in from his most unhinged thoughts and ideas

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u/femtowave Jan 28 '25

Hope we're in it for 4 years and not longer

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u/internetonsetadd Jan 28 '25

The accelerationist techbroligarchs want to disrupt America and control what comes after. Trump has no fucking clue what's going on but is having a great time running amok and feeling important.

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u/orus_heretic Jan 28 '25

This hurts the tech oligarchs more than anyone tbh.

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u/uprislng Jan 28 '25

So they want to see what it's like to rule an ash heap?

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u/Bmandk Jan 28 '25

It's all about trying to isolate North Mexico (I'm calling it that from now on) from anywhere else. That way, it's very easy to control everything going on, and you won't get rebellions. Screw it all if the economy tanks. They control the whole economy inside the country anyways, so why would they care?

It's all a ploy to move the US towards an authoritarian regime rather than a democratic one. It will cost a lot of money in terms of a much smaller economy, but they don't care about the economy. They just want power.

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u/Zaku_pilot_292 Jan 28 '25

In 2016, my dad told me Trump was secretly a CCP agent who's trying to accelerate the downfall of America

But he also said he voted Trump, because he said he would take Fannie mae and Freddie mac out of recievership, and my dad has been holding onto that shit since the 08 crash

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u/blastradii Jan 28 '25

I think he doesn’t have much good ideas himself so he listens to an incoherent group of self-serving psychos. He then makes a decision based on who kissed his ass the best that day. Hence the patchwork of sloppy policies.

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u/supper-saiyan Jan 28 '25

It's actually pretty clear to me that there was a plan in place and they're executing the plan regardless of any changing conditions. It might seem to some like this is random, but it's only because they're relatively disciplined (to our detriment) to sticking with their plan regardless of anything else going on. Recession, crashes be damned.

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u/thrax7545 Jan 28 '25

Has he— has he ever listened to anyone?

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u/JamesGarrison Jan 29 '25

Have you considered this idea… maybe he knows exactly what he’s doing and you don’t? If you stop yelling HeSOODuhmeee. The take a moment to put in your critical thinking hat. And actually think. Instead of dismissing every action as stupidity.

You do not become preseident by being the stupidest guy on the planet much less the race. You guys just can’t see past your bias.

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u/HiSno Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

I don’t think Trump really understands the underlying economic or legal specifics for his policies. I think he has chosen a group of people that do the heavy lifting and they push and explain what he’s signing in very broad strokes.

This man could not articulate policy specifics at a presidential debate. There’s already been some leaks that the people sending policy memos and guidance on his behalf are from the Heritage Foundation and part of Project 2025. I think the Project 2025 folks are in full control and he’s ok with that because they want to expand his presidential powers.

https://www.salon.com/2025/01/28/right-wing-activists-appear-to-be-writing-memos-for-the/

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u/JamesGarrison Jan 29 '25

You mean to tell me… that a president doesn’t understand the exact nuance of everything he has power over.

Buddy I got news for you… not a si for congressman or SA for does. Watch a hearing. They are dumb. Especially when it comes to technology.

Anyways. Last I checked… he was president before and the world didn’t end. Every party has had their time at the helm. And here we are. The average American suffering.

Maybe if we all stopped picking teams. And made choices off policy and demanded more of our politicians. We’d be in a better position.

Instead it’s all divisive hate while the rich get richer. The last four years was at a record pace of that btw.

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u/One_more_username IQ 68 Jan 29 '25

we’re probably in for a rough 4 years if this is how it’s gonna be

Probably? His first term was a shitshow with all these crazy moves, but they only started in 2018 and covid distracted him. It will be fucking crazy the next four years.

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u/surell01 Jan 28 '25

It does, everything that Biden did needs to be undone.

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u/HiSno Jan 28 '25

Biden created the Taiwanese semiconductor industry? lmao

You’re really ok with Trump handing China the AI race and tanking our stock market because the only thought your brain can muster is “Biden bad”?

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u/SuchAppeal Jan 28 '25

China already won big dog, don't give yourself false hope

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u/HiSno Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

Trump pausing federal grant money is unconstitutional, that’s money set aside by Congress NOT Biden.

And the CHIPS act is literally to do what Trump claims needs to happen, which is build out a more robust US DOMESTIC semiconductor manufacturing industry…

We’re in an AI arms race and you’re cheering on Trump’s attempt to hand the race over to China. This is beyond parody at this point

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u/Hawks_and_Doves Jan 28 '25

The level of DD most Trump supporters have done right here.

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u/AlarmingAerie Jan 28 '25

That's cope. Because incompetent president is better than coordinated take over. Senate could stop his orders, but nobody will move a finger.

Tariffs are probably a distraction while they pass the real damaging stuff that will destroy the pillars of democracy.

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u/lil_chiakow Jan 28 '25

What Trump is doing has always made sense when looking through one specific lens - a mob boss.

What he's doing is laying out what the stick looks like and waiting for Taiwan to offer a carrot so that the stick isn't applied.

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u/trombolastic Jan 28 '25

I think it’s more likely he’s waiting for the tech bros to offer him a lot of carrots.

Everyone in big tech relies on TSMC

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u/lil_chiakow Jan 28 '25

That’s possible as well, perhaps nVidia skipped on their dowry?

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u/Lanky-Appointment929 Jan 28 '25

His goal is destabilization. Ruin everything and hope it falls apart so he can pick up the scraps for very cheap

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u/No-Delay-6791 Jan 28 '25

It benefits them greatly if they all buy TSMC stock tomorrow after it plummets.

Trump, of course, will back out of tariffs once they give him the signal and the stock price will go back up.

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u/Hinterwaeldler-83 Jan 28 '25

Musk knows Gronk can’t compete with OpenAI and Google, so he destroys his competition because if he can’t have AI no one should have?

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

Its Grok, but getting Gronkowski to pretend to be a generative AI would still probably be a more functional product.

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

You know what's funny? Deepseek was always going to happen no matter who was president, but Trump's support from the tech industry definitely makes it look worse for him

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u/a_simple_spectre Jan 28 '25

Tech bros as in general workers or bosses ?

Doesn't change much for the workers, they get more pressure to innovate but are generally salaried, their bonuses might be meh this year

Bosses are screwed depending on thr timeline and how much stock based compensation they have

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u/Rosebunse Jan 28 '25

I meant the billionaires he is surrounding himself with

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u/a_simple_spectre Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

I mean they are at least millionaires, they don't really have to do things like this to get richer, just park your money into a hedge fund and a VC firm in tech

hedge funds ensure consistent returns, VC has explosive returns, you don't even have to depend on whatever the overall economy is doing, you can just chill as the head of a company and at that point its your hobby or playtime job you do cos you wanna

also please let go of the notion that anyone in any title or uniform is inherently knowledgeable because they are where they are at, just look up the DSM-5 for NPD, it basically describes Trumps thought processes, he does this stuff because it is who he is, sure he gets a couple mil but who tf cares, thats a rounding error (yes its corruption but its mostly not criminal)

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u/statellyfall Jan 28 '25

Because this hurts the pockets of the mag 7 ai companies a little bit while hurting the other thousands of start ups and small companies a lot. Long term anything that makes it more expensive for everybody to get chips is a win for the top companies as they are more likely to weather the storm

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

he does with everything -- act like he's going to ruin everything, prices drop, his buddies buy it up, and then two days later he backs off. he just did it with the whole country of Colombia in like 24 hours.

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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo Jan 28 '25

I don’t think it does. They cozied up to him thinking they could influence him and talk him out of stuff like this, but they’ll learn that they can’t. He’s a wildfire of anger, revenge, and petty grievances, and you can’t negotiate with a fire

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u/No_Berry2976 Jan 28 '25

It will benefit Trump. This will be used as leverage. If somebody wants a policy reversed or if they want special treatment, he will demand loyalty or a favour.

In the past there was a taboo on interfering too much with the free market, but that’s gone.

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u/bigmacjames Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

If I'm being cynical and psychotic you could argue that this will cause unrest in the tech sector and public in general and they will try to seize assets through bail outs or military force when businesses and people finally stand up.

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u/Drop_Tables_Username Jan 28 '25

They will still have their existing hardware, while any form of competition will need to deal with tariffs to catch up. It doesn't help their industry, but it does make competition inside the US much more difficult (similar to how eliminating the EV tax credit hurts EV adoption while helping Tesla).

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u/Deadman_Wonderland Jan 28 '25

He saw how innovative Chinese tech companies have become when faced with limitations on access to the bleed edge chips. So he is now self tariffing our own tech company to force them to innovate like the Chinese tech companies. Bigly brain move.

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u/ItzMeRzx Jan 28 '25

Do American companies usually do well in these circumstances?

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u/Pornfest Jan 28 '25

It benifits China.

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u/joninco Jan 28 '25

100% tariffs means they raise prices, then keep them there when the tariffs are removed and blame supply chain, Trump, yadda yadda.

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u/anonuemus Jan 28 '25

It doesn't. Imho he wants money in americas/his register and big tech gets deregulation.

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u/penguincheerleader Jan 28 '25

Musk probably sees TSMC as a company he does not own and wants its price lowered.

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u/GanksOP Jan 28 '25

It's definitely a head scratcher so here are some guesses.

1: alternative leverage from the trump admin is on the table which keeps the chips flowing as they are now without tanking the tech profits.

  1. This IS leverage against the tech companies because trump likes being the one in control.

  2. Trump admin is trying to reach a certain amount of tariff income and nothing is off the table.

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u/ScionKai Jan 29 '25

Insider trading might explain policy decisions. Trump might leave office richer than Musk

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u/GanksOP Jan 29 '25

Yeah that makes sense. Messing with the market to make big bundles of cash now.

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u/jelhmb48 Jan 28 '25

Ultimately they don't care about the economy. A good economy for them is just a means to get more power (winning elections and Tesla stock going up). If they need to trash the economy to get more power they'll do it.

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u/corndoggeh Jan 28 '25

Bingo, the economy was doing fine, all things considered. They want to cause a recession/depression to further entrench their power.

Cause the problem, sell the solution.

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u/rook119 Jan 28 '25

there is never a solution, its cause the problem, blame others.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

Unless they're both in bed with someone that stands to massively profit from the United States failing

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u/WhyIsSocialMedia Jan 28 '25

Who? I mean if you look at these policies alone, you might say Russia or China (but the idea that those two would be cooperating on this level isn't even realistic). But when you look at all of the things, it doesn't actually benefit anyone. It's just complete chaos.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

For Putin the cold war never ended, and he's currently winning

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

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u/WhyIsSocialMedia Jan 28 '25

What evidence is there of that?

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u/cat_with_problems Jan 28 '25

maybe musk is the one advising him to do it. he is a child and he got butthurt over stargate, and wants to sink the boat. he is absolutely crazy enough to make such moves

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

Musk isnt that stupid plus it will hurt his Groot AI biz even more. Anything hurting Nvidia directly hurts Tesla themselves.

Also Trump has talked about moving fabs manufacturing to US before even before elections. So this is all from Trump's own head

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u/cat_with_problems Jan 28 '25

yes he is that stupid

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u/GeraltofAMD Jan 28 '25

Trump STILL thinks the foreign countries pay the tariffs. NOT the American consumer. It's literally a tax on Americans. He's braindead and even worse, arrogant and pigheaded.

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u/mrASSMAN Jan 28 '25

He doesn’t always feel like listening to people smarter than him

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u/Suspicious-Bad4703 Jan 28 '25

Musk doesn’t actually hold any power. It’s becoming obvious he was a pawn in the game and he’s getting discarded.

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u/rook119 Jan 28 '25

Musk's group already has insider knowledge and could short the %$%^ out of them.

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u/element515 Jan 28 '25

They will be fine. The weaker they make everyone else, the easier for them to keep power.

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u/PavelDatsyuk Jan 28 '25

Musk has the means to buy up everything for cheap when everything crashes. His plan is to get Trump to crash everything, buy it up cheap, wait for a dem to clean up the mess, then profit.

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u/like_vacation Jan 28 '25

If you had any brain cells you wouldn’t be a republican lmao

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u/porkyminch Jan 29 '25

It's been like a week. I expect Musk and Trump to have ended their little love affair in the next month or so.

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u/barth_ Jan 28 '25

He has no idea what he's doing. He's gonna backtrack this when Elmo and other oligarchs explain to him that they need the chips to stay "cheap".

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u/DrSpacecasePhD Jan 28 '25

This. Multiple advisers from 2017-2021 said he doesn't read his briefings or intelligence notes. The man gets his news from TikTok and Twitter.

That said, I'm not counting on a quick turnaround. I think some of the tech elites and military staff are looking at this as a sort of Prince Joffrey scenario. On the one hand, they fear him, because he is thin skinned and out for retribution. On the other hand, they are waiting for him to make enough unbelievable mistakes that average Joe begins to see what's happening. It make take "2008 round two, 2028 bugaloo" before there's enough backlash.

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u/CurrencySpecial5935 Jan 28 '25

You are just NOW realizing it?

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u/Mavnas Jan 28 '25

Only now?

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u/tacky_pear Jan 28 '25

Now you're convinced? Did things make sense until now?!

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u/Teembeau Jan 28 '25

Of course he doesn't. Trump is a salesman, selling to people who want what he's selling. Doesn't mean it's a good product or one that works. He's like the ads in the back of comic books ripping kids off.

Let me tell you what happens with this. Trump has just gifted a whole load of cloud work to Chy-na. Running AWS or Azure in the USA gets more expensive. The cost of cloud hosting in Asia at places like Alibaba, gets cheaper.

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u/MiBo80 Jan 28 '25

THIS is it right here. It's out in the open and ramping up fast - he is destroying America and targeting all foreign partners directly. He has threatened literally all our Allies, none of our competitors soon to be adversaries. He is weaking everything that currently keeps our economy afloat and punishing us all for the chance for his Chinese handlers and Russian handlers to make the moves necessary to take control of their economic zones without an America for the neighbor nations to turn to. He will pull our Navy back from these places, as well MMW.

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u/JC-DB Jan 28 '25

This actually doesn't really hurt Taiwan since those who needed the TSMC chips can't really source them anywhere else. It's just more cost to the consumer of the products containing the chips, like almost all of your top of the line iPhone and Android devices. Not sure what he's doing here... lol

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u/Ikkepop Jan 28 '25

Maybe that's the point ? Maybe there is actual merit to people saying he serves some other country then US ?

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u/masterhogbographer Jan 28 '25

They’re manipulating the stock market 

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u/RealBaikal Jan 28 '25

Hes destroying the US just like his daddy pytin told him too

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u/nug4t Jan 28 '25

yeah.. but all this will sort itself out always.. just wait a few weeks

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u/2roK Jan 28 '25

Trump is just a puppet. This is a small group of people deliberately crashing everything before capitalism runs out as a viable form of our society. They are trying to push us back into feudalism.

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u/esmifra Jan 28 '25

He knows, this is typical mafia style behaviour.

Threat someone with pain, accept their "incentives" to keep the status quo. He wants to be bribed, now is giving them a reason for them to bribe him.

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u/Pornfest Jan 28 '25

Disagree.

I’m fully convinced he’s a Manchurian Candidate and is purposefully fucking up our best alliances while helping our adversaries and rivals as much as possible.

Consider: who has he stopped wanting to tariff? China.

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u/tinydeepvalue Jan 28 '25

He is helping china. Like he always did, from the beginning.

He is a chinese plant.

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u/bourbon-to-buffalo Jan 28 '25

He never did. He has always been a complete moron.

He bankrupt 5 casinos and blew through half a billion dollars from his dad.

We are utterly fucked for the next 50 years at least if he stays in power.

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u/booty_fewbacca Jan 28 '25

Their plan was to crash the US economy, they have said this multiple times now.

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u/NocodeNopackage Jan 28 '25

TSMC has a new facility making chips in Arizona, so we will probably just be getting them from there instead of Taiwan

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u/hans_jobs Jan 28 '25

Maybe that’s the plan. They keep making his bibles, we give them Taiwan.

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u/jmlbhs Jan 28 '25

Now you’re convinced?? What took you so long? What made you think he ever had any idea what’s going on?

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u/batwork61 Jan 28 '25

I feel like yall are confused. They don’t want control of most of the economy, with a somewhat free populace of peons. They want a feudal economy, where they own everything and people have no power.

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u/Necessary_Service776 Jan 28 '25

Because it’s a fire sale. Him and his billionaire friends want to collapse the us economy and infrastructure at all levels so they can all buy up all the scraps. It’s part of the plan and how oligarchies work.

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u/kjolmir Jan 28 '25

Yes, he is ignorant and he is dumb and no, he isn't doing this for Russia or China. These decisions aren't coming from him, he is just the fronman. You guys are aware that rich get richer in an economic crisis right?

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u/Emperor_Neuro Jan 28 '25

Wouldn't this actually be a violation of the One-China policy by acknowledging Taiwan as a separate governmental entity? Actions like that will get China to close their doors to us entirely.

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u/bluebarks Jan 28 '25

He knows exactly what he's doing. It's way easier to buy up all the assets after you tank the economy. Billionaires love recessions.

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u/DJ33 Jan 28 '25

I’m fully convinced now that this guy truly has no idea about what’s going on

That took you so, so much longer than it should have.

And somehow a meaningful percentage of the country still hasn't figured it out.

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u/QuantumS0up Jan 29 '25

Tech industry is accelerationist. They want things to be 'cooked' and to collapse. Look into Curtis Yarvin

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u/tistoon Jan 28 '25

Isn’t to enforce (increase or promote) production on US soil? That’s the whole point. My 2 cents on it..

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u/HiSno Jan 28 '25

There’s a reason high level semiconductor manufacturing is concentrated in Taiwan, the money, expertise, and time required to set one of these foundries up is immense. You can’t set tariffs and expect these factories to pop up in the US after a few months. It’s gonna take years, maybe even decades before the US can rival Taiwanese manufacturing of top of the line chips.

Meaning, this type of tariff will only depress our tech industry as there is no realistic alternative to Taiwan in the short/medium term.

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u/alyosha_pls Jan 28 '25

Then why rescind the CHIPs act?