r/wallstreetbets • u/DoubleSkew • 21h ago
Gain Forgot I bought long-dated puts at the top, logged in to find a singular put worth over $100,000
This is my first time logging in since January
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u/xjrh8 20h ago
You forgot that you bought a put for $42k?
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u/azurestrike 20h ago
As you do.
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u/Waygzh 16h ago edited 16h ago
I don't have a ton of patience to profile stalk but my curiosity got me to find out he lives in the upper East side in a penthouse, claims he grew up poor, is in the "top 1%," and he is a single man that has a healthy obsession with working out and his cat.
Which all really tracks with forgetting about a $50k put, nearly the median family income in the US.
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u/Rizmo26 15h ago
Single you say? Let me introduce him to my wife.
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u/ShittySpaceCadet 5h ago
Don’t have much of a gaydar do you? Sounds like he’d be more interested in you.
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u/Kharnsjockstrap 6h ago
Imagine making likely more than a million per year, living in a penthouse in NY and still being single.
He’s not good enough for your wife tbh
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u/thesirenheta 15h ago
LMAO WE GOT A CONFIDENT ASS MAN RIGHT HERE.
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u/SkepticalGerm 15h ago
Everyone rich claims they grew up poor. For some reason no one can admit they had a leg up
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u/cheapcheap1 14h ago
yeah filthy rich people lying about growing up poor is so ubiquitous that I'd even say it tracks that he claimed he grew up poor. Lying snakes.
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u/Yaboymarvo 13h ago
He probably had to go to public school, so he considers that as being poor. They may have even had to do their own grocery shopping like the poors do.
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u/pickled_penguin_ 13h ago
That word was on trumps daily word counter this week. Grocery or groceries. Like he just learned it.
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u/holyknight00 6h ago
People finds out "poor" or "wealthy" are subjective terms. For some, being "poor" is not being able to afford to eat, while for some others, is having do your own groceries.
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u/Baron_of_Berlin 13h ago
I wonder how often it's legitimately true versus it being a case of a very wealthy adult just no longer having a concept of what poor really is. Compared to their life -now-, a decent middle class upbringing might as well have been on-the-streets poor.
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u/Situation-Busy 12h ago
Vast majority I'd say. "Poor" to these people means having a day job and cleaning your own house. Most have never known a bank account with less than 6months of expenses and a job with 401k matching.
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u/Blood_Casino 10h ago
claims he grew up poor
I’m sure they exist but every person I’ve ever met who said this and wasn’t currently poor was lying through their teeth, upper middle class or above every time
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u/benfromgr 11h ago
Haven't we all done that in between our busy schedules of running a bakery two days a week?
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u/PepperDogger 14h ago
And here I am, poor sucker rifling through my couch looking for just $10-20k in change--just anything so I can afford to eat this week.
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u/DoubleSkew 20h ago edited 20h ago
It's more like:
"It's historically cheap to hedge - vol is cheap, interest rates are high, valuations are stretched relative to historical norms, etc...
I don't really feel like constantly checking headlines during the next administration to navigate turbulence, so i'm just gonna grab this - ignore news headlines & relax."
Then just went back to playing with my cats and ignoring politics for a few months - and here we are.
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u/tollbearer 18h ago
Your net worth must be in the millions, or this is still a terrible move.
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u/VibeCheckerz 18h ago
Someone putting 50k on options and forgetting about it is just for someone that prob has more than 1m$ to play with lol
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u/tollbearer 18h ago
You'd need at least 2 million, and a very strong belief we were going to face this level of volatility, for this to ever make sense. Alternatively, if you have like a 5 million portfolio, it could be part of a viable hedging strategy.
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u/GareBear415 17h ago
I started with a 1k put hedge in like October and watched that thing every damn day lol
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u/DazzlingResource561 16h ago
Millionaire here. Still wouldn’t do it.
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u/TheNicestRedditor 16h ago
Can I have a dollar? I’ll give you sucky sucky
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u/Unfinished_Bizzness 15h ago
Multimillionaire here. What’s the price for a rusty trombone?
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u/TheNicestRedditor 15h ago
3 dollars
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u/Unfinished_Bizzness 15h ago
I’m a multimillionaire not a billionaire so still a bargain hunter. I’ll give you $2 and some financial advice on grain commodities.
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u/TheRealFaust 16h ago
Everyone knew this would happen, exactly why buffet was holding 350 billion in cash
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u/tollbearer 16h ago
Buffet has been accumulating cash for years. He even rode out the 22 crash without buying much. This rapid, but meaningless pullback to october prices is not why buffet is holding cash. If he thinks businesses are fairly valued now, he'd have bought in october, and if he thinks they'' be fairly valued after a further 30% drop, hed have bought early 23.
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u/Waygzh 15h ago
Buffett running trillions in cash isn't really applicable to an individual investor unless you literally hold BRK. He's hedging risk in a trillion dollar company and taking the historically high interest rates on cash instead. Doing so has, as you pointed out, missed between 50-150% market returns since 2020. Which is a pretty big bummer for the average investor, unless you think we're entering the Great Depression
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u/UsedState7381 17h ago edited 14h ago
Yeah this is usually they part they never tell you because it goes against their narrative that this was easy.
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u/hoopaholik91 15h ago
Yeah probably, but just so other people realize, this is pretty much the same level of risk as taking your 100k portfolio and putting it in cash.
We are all making extremely risky and terrible moves here lol
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u/SouthWave9 18h ago
So you had a strategy that: New Administration -> economic turbulence -> markets fall?
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u/option-trader 13h ago
Well, wasn't that hard when the new administration only talked about economic turbulence during his campaign. Hoping that he was joking was such a strong hopium hit for a lot people though.
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u/LinxESP 16h ago
Pay your cat tax
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u/DoubleSkew 12h ago edited 12h ago
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u/LinxESP 10h ago
Ooooo fluffy baby
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u/DoubleSkew 9h ago
Indeed!
She's a rare somalian cat (long-haired Abyssinian) - I will make sure she gets many treats & head pats ❤️
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u/Needsupgrade 11h ago
Toxoplasmosis causes love of cats and elevated risk taking .
Thank your parasites
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u/larus-dero 8h ago
This is the kind of put you should buy: long term, itm and at low volatility. Great move!
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u/auxauxauxaux 8h ago
Very nice bet! But you might consider visiting a doctor for dementia diagnosis!
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u/Silent_Elk7515 20h ago
You forgot you bought puts? That’s like forgetting a winning lottery ticket.
I’m here checking my portfolio every 5 minutes like it’s a tamagotchi.
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u/WoDRonaldo 19h ago
"I’m here checking my portfolio every 5 minutes like it’s a tamagotchi."
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up ^^
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u/PepeTheMule 15h ago
Even on the weekends?
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u/CMDR_Shepard96 16h ago
I just stare at mine for the entire session. If I look away the market gaps in the opposite direction to whatever positions I hold
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u/Odd_History4720 17h ago
What a waste of time and life
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u/ring_of_slattern 16h ago
I'm up $300k by spending a total of like 20 hours staring at a screen.
You spend 5 years behind the dumpster at Wendy's to see half that.
But hey, love what you do and never work a day in your life, right?
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u/gounatos 19h ago
I also forget where i ve put $50K all the time!
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u/lordvoldster 20h ago
One time I bought a car.. totally forgot about it until I opened my garage door.
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u/letsfucknpollit 3h ago
I have a recurring dream where I buy a bunch of high value classic project cars from junk yards, but can’t remember where to go pick them up, how many I bought or which ones I bought. I keep trying to bring them back to my open lot garage, but I never round them all up. It’s stressful as fuck. I wake up fucking furious for no fucking reason.
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u/swaggythrowaway69 14h ago
I just checked my account. Unfortunately there weren’t any forgotten $42k puts that I forgot about.
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u/JoJo_Embiid 19h ago
you must be super rich to casually just throw 60K in puts, which usually goes to 0 eventually...
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u/Charming_Dealer3849 16h ago
I think what upsets me the most about this, is the impact to society as a whole, there is an entire generation of "we got ours" who forgot to communicate the value of supporting the next generation. As a result this new generation has no idea how to navigate this dynamic and unregulated financial world that has been created. Someone went and got a degree in education, and made less money for a years worth of work than this person did with a click of a button and playing with their cats for 6 months. The problem isn't that "life's not fair" it's that life has gotten so unfair that we've lost the capability to function as a society, and no longer can financially provide for people doing critical tasks to sustain the next generation of individuals
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u/polychris 14h ago
Just put the fries in the bag
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u/iwantsomeofthis 14h ago
Stfu and get back to your hourly you tard
Edit: Top 1% commenter on a fucking online website and guy thinks he should talk shit. Touch grass.
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u/Useuless 13h ago
Yup. We take for granted and exploit those who actually have the motivation or hard work in them.
With 3 million excess deaths from just covid alone, good luck trying to find healthcare workers, and that's just one industry.
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u/SouthWave9 18h ago
So you forgot ~62.7k of combined puts? Do you own shares as well? Don't you check them often?
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u/TheBooneyBunes 16h ago
Meanwhile I sweat incessantly ten seconds after I buy an option regardless of its expiration
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u/justbrowse2018 17h ago
God I hate this sub when I’m zero account balance. I have a dozen spy puts around 600-625 all expired uselessly.
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u/HuckleberryHuge3752 16h ago
Who ‘forgets’ spending $60k on two puts…give me a break. Nice, if true
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u/Jackson-G-1 20h ago
I don’t buy this story .. he forgot .. sure 😉😉
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u/metamorphosis 18h ago
He may truly forgot about it. It happened to me once...when I bought some shitty coin using a phantom wallet and forgot about it.
The difference is money I forgot was like $100.
Forgetting 40k means this MF has a portfolio in millions.
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u/hoopaholik91 15h ago
He probably didn't, but it's literally why options were invented. If he hedged a bunch of long positions then he doesn't need to worry too much about which direction the market is moving day to day.
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u/Jazzlike-Vanilla-156 15h ago
Hello, im a Nigerian prince, i have millions of Dollars in my bank Account, sadly its locked and can only be reactivated If I pay 50k$. If you sende them to me, i'll return you 100k$.
Thank you.
Just in Case /s
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u/sharkykid 20h ago
Am I reading this right? You can buy a put with a strike of $6,250? What?
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u/feelsracistman 19h ago
If you can buy deep in the money calls, why shouldn’t you be able to buy deep in the money or at the money puts?
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u/DoubleSkew 20h ago
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u/anamethatsnottaken 19h ago
Why did you buy so deep in the money?
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u/DoubleSkew 18h ago edited 18h ago
$605 was at the money at the time (Dec 5th).
SPX is roughly 10 times the size of SPY so 6,250 was in the money, but not deep deep ITM when I bought it.
As for the tenors, divided it between the two - as the SPY options would be categorized as long-term capital gains if held to expiry (1 yr). But at 9-months out cash-settled SPX options would be given preferential 60/40% tax treatment over 100% short-term gains.
Can't remember why I chose that strike price - I think I just looked at the vol surface and bought the cheapest implied vol 9-12 months out? Just remember the index having fairly high skew.
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u/anamethatsnottaken 18h ago
Oh, I misread the chart, no idea why. Right, 605 was ATM. The 6250 was ITM - lower IV but higher price. Think what happens in the extreme - if a ticker is trading at 10 and you buy a 1000P, you're basically lending the seller 990 (the uncertainty is more negligible). The interest on that loan is in the option's price. If you model just the interest rate (f.e. by looking at the 6250-6050 spread) it's not bad - over 10% I think?
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u/DoubleSkew 18h ago
If I understand correctly, is this what you're referring to?
If so - based off that tool, the interest rates on a long or short box would currently be ~60-90 BPS over treasury equivalents.
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u/anamethatsnottaken 18h ago
You linked a box spread, which is risk-free. In my extreme example - for example buying a 900-1000 spread when the underlying is below 100. It's not risk-free because if the underlying went to 900+ you dont get the loan back :)
Such a spread will have a price similar to a loan, but with higher rate than the risk-free rate
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u/AccordingIndustry 18h ago
congratulations and Fuck You! For finding almost a milly in between the seat cushion of your port.
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u/callsonreddit 18h ago
Geez you must have millions and like 10 accounts to just forget you had 42k in puts
Happy for u tho
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u/GHOST_KJB 14h ago
Great! Now my wife is asking why I didn't buy those puts when I said I was going to lol
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u/rosodigital 13h ago
Geeez and I get amped when I find $20 that fell out of my pants pocket in the dryer 😵💫
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u/DoctorDividend 4h ago
Your application as our new Wendy's manger for our flagship store on Detroit's 8 mile has been approved!
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