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New Issues Out This Week
Avengers #686
NO SURRENDER Part 12 - THE AVENGERS WEEKLY EPIC CONTINUES! As Wonder Man struggles to get through to the Hulk, the Black Order attacks Avengers HQ! The grand cosmic game comes to its shocking conclusion — but the war for Earth is just beginning!
Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #16
DAMNATION TIE-IN! Ben Reilly is the Spider-Man who can’t die — the only spider to slip through Mephisto’s grasp time and again. But even the Scarlet Spider cannot avoid DAMNATION, and Mephisto’s obsession with the Parker clan may cost Ben more than his life…
Black Panther #171
KLAW STANDS SUPREME Part 6 - The Black Panther finally meets Ulysses Klaw face-to-face. Will the king lose his country? But Klaw is not the only monster corrupting Wakanda. The gods are still lost — all save one. The true Originator returns!
Champions #18
CHAMPION FOR A DAY Part 3 - The new order changeth! After a series of tragic setbacks and shakeups, the Champions are faced with a grim decision – is it finally time to disband and give up the fight?
Damnation: Johnny Blaze - Ghost Rider #1
DAMNATION TIE-IN! Johnny Blaze takes the fight to a different devil than he usually faces — Mephisto! But Mephisto will show Johnny his own brand of suffering — and give Johnny PLENTY of reasons for vengeance.
Daredevil #600
MAYOR FISK Conclusion! OVERSIZED ANNIVERSARY ISSUE! Daredevil can see the new mayor’s machinations coming together… but is he in time to stop them? Guest-starring both the heroes and villains of the New York City streets… this oversized anniversary issue has a surprise ending that will shake the city to its very core! Plus: a look at Foggy & Matt’s relationship over the years!
Despicable Deadpool #297
THE MARVEL UNIVERSE KILLS DEADPOOL! Wade is no stranger to gambling with his life… but this time the odds are longer than the bathroom line at a burrito joint with a broken freezer. What do you do when half the world wants you dead? Start pissing off the OTHER half!
Invincible Iron Man #598
THE SEARCH FOR TONY STARK Part 6 - Since the beginning, the houses of Stark and Doom have been unshakeable pillars of the Marvel Universe — and one of them is about to fall. No one ever thought they’d see what is about to happen, but the world of Tony Stark will NEVER be the same again. It all leads up to the explosive, blistering, quadruple-sized INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #600, with a cliffhanger you will NOT want to miss!
Jessica Jones #18
As the creators of Jessica Jones leave her to an all-new team next issue, they bid her farewell with one last very special, fully painted story — a truly incredible tale that no one ever gets to see. Be here for an unforgettable issue that ties threads together from all over the amazing Marvel Universe.
Legion #3
TRAUMA PART 3 - In order to protect Legion’s mind from Lord Trauma, an overwhelming dark personality, Dr. Hannah Jones must band the other personalities together and fight back! But the only way to rally everyone is to first recruit the biggest, baddest personality there is… You can call him RIDER. Will he accept?
Lockjaw #2
WHO’S A GOOD BOY? Part 2 - Lockjaw and his hapless recruit D-Man end up in the prehistoric Savage Land! And Zabu, the last living sabretooth tiger, is not happy about it. But there’s no time to mark territory — a puppy is in danger, and Lockjaw will need Ka-Zar and Zabu’s help to find it! Who’s after Lockjaw’s lost siblings? And can D-Man get over his D-pression long enough to help?
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur #29
MOON GIRL, THE THING and HUMAN TORCH bond to become a new team of heroes to battle a world-destroying threat! But are they enough? H.E.R.B.I.E.? SILVER SURFER? Even the towering titan GALACTUS? Who will join them?!
Moon Knight #193
CRAZY RUNS IN THE FAMILY Part 6 - Two avatars enter the jungle, only one will leave! The Sun King’s ritual of ascendance is prepared. But Moon Knight won’t go gentle.
Old Man Hawkeye #3
AN EYE FOR AN EYE Part 3 - HAWKEYE’s got a big task ahead of him...and it’ll take him back to the carnival – but this time it’s ARCADE’S MURDERWORLD! If Clint can sneak through this deadly locale, he’ll be faced with a foe – and a decision – that will forever alter the course of his destiny.
Old Man Logan #37
MOVING TARGET Part 2 - LOGAN hunts down KINGPIN’s biographer, hoping to get dirt on the big man. BULLSEYE’s coming for LOGAN. It’s a fight that’ll forever change them. Someone’s going to die! But... WHO?!
Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man #302
Peter Parker, his sister (?) Teresa and J. Jonah Jameson take a trip back in time! The massive events of issue #300 presented them with a problem so huge that the only solution is way back in the past. The biggest challenge here won’t be keeping Jameson from changing the future, but it’s up there!
Spider-Man/Deadpool #30
WLMD PART 1 - For decades, S.H.I.E.L.D. replaced its top fallen operatives with better-than-life robots, and pretty much everyone was cool with it. But WHAT IF there were something dangerous about super-powerful androids hiding in plain sight? Let’s hope that no maniacs with grudges against SPIDER-MAN and DEADPOOL have that idea!
Star Wars: Doctor Aphra #18
“REMASTERED” CONTINUES! Doctor Aphra is being blackmailed by Triple-Zero to run missions for his underground crime syndicate — but that doesn’t mean she can’t cause trouble and have fun along the way! Sometimes that fun means infiltrating Rebellion training grounds… and sometimes that trouble means crossing paths with famed rebel Hera Syndulla herself!
X-Men: Blue #24
Cry Havok Part 2 - The X-MEN are missing, but MAGNETO mobilizes against his enemies! His first target: SEBASTIAN SHAW! What lengths will MAGNETO go to uncover his enemies’ secrets? Meanwhile, JIMMY HUDSON and BLOODSTORM face the MALICE-possessed POLARIS!
Trades Out This Week
| Link | MSRP | Format |
|---|---|---|
| Annihilation: The Complete Collection Vol. 1 | $ 34.99 | TPB |
| Captain Marvel: Carol Danvers - The Ms. Marvel Years Vol. 1 | $ 34.99 | TPB |
| Mighty Thor Vol. 3: The Asgard/Shi'ar War | $ 19.99 | TPB |
| New Mutants: Demon Bear | $ 19.99 | TPB |
| Thing: Project Pegasus | $ 24.99 | TPB |
| Thor Vs. Hulk: Champions of the Universe | $ 14.99 | TPB |
| Wolverine Epic Collection: Blood Debt | $ 39.99 | TPB |
| X-Men Gold Vol. 0: Homecoming | $ 34.99 | TPB |
| X-Men Gold Vol. 4: The Negative Zone War | $ 15.99 | TPB |
Weekly Pull Poll
The results of last week's poll are in. The big winners this week for your Most Anticipated New Release are Avengers #686 followed by Jessica Jones #18 and Star Wars: Doctor Aphra #18. Please check out next week's poll here to vote on your most anticipated title for next week, 4/4/2018!
General Discussion
Infinity War is a month away! What do you want to see most - and what do you not want to see?
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u/Ptylerdactyl Groot Mar 27 '18
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 28 '18
So... All of these kids are... Dead. And now the sole survivor is joining the team under the leadership of the woman who killed them? That's... I'm sorry, that's just dumb.
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u/Red_Paladin_ Wolverine Mar 29 '18 edited Mar 29 '18
I'm really hoping that they all survive, and that Xorn heals them when he returns with Jimmy and Bloodstorm...
On a side note I'm glad it was clarified to be Ultimate Malice, and that Lorna overcame her influence by herself, also good to see Daken being brought in, I'll be interested in seeing how Jimmy's Organic Metal claws stand up to those Adamantium Swords...
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u/Perjunkie Mar 28 '18
Yeah Evil Havok was dumb when it was introduced. Dumb when it continued. Dumb in Death of X. It was ok during IvX when he was more of a anti-hero. And it's still dumb now.
They took the guy that was supposed to be the new icon for peaceful mutant integration into society and turned him into a radical supremacist. The X-Men were also supposed to be an analogy to the civil Rights movement. Let that sink in.
At this point Iron Man became good again. Sabretooth is definitely almost evil again. Havok needs to turn back asap.
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u/Red_Paladin_ Wolverine Mar 29 '18
I'm kinda digging Evil Havok, I find him far more compelling than he's been previously, I just hope they don't try and force him back together with Lorna, I realize a lot of people are nostalgic about them but in my opinion they are both better off apart at present, though I really felt bad for Shaw this issue, going from evil mastermind to just getting used and thrown aside, by a sinister cabal...
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u/demaxzero Mar 29 '18
Sabretooth is definitely almost evil again.
No he isn't.
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u/Perjunkie Mar 29 '18
He's walking the line. They made that much clear in the last Uncanny X-Men
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u/Fiti99 Mar 28 '18
Loved that adult peter is using his 90's animated series look while young peter uses the spectacular series look
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u/JakeM917 Mar 28 '18
Came here to comment this. Put a big smile on my face.
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u/Fiti99 Mar 28 '18
Yeah at first i though it was a coincidence that young peter had that look but then adult peter came out, i cant forget that t-shirt
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Mar 28 '18
Pretty good story. So Theresa is indeed his sister, and plus the adult Peter has fucked up the timeline for good.
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u/Onisquirrel Mar 29 '18
So glad they’re letting Theresa be his real sister instead of going with the memory trick. Of all the retcons you can have one that results in giving Peter a confidant who’s also family is a really nice one.
Also Family Business reads as a better story if you assume Theresa is his sister.
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u/Kaeyne Mar 28 '18
Called it after the last issue!
Don't boast with future knowledge, kids. That can only end in tragedy.
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u/JakeM917 Mar 28 '18
Was that Jessica Jones at the beginning?
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Mar 28 '18
Yep!
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u/JakeM917 Mar 28 '18
Making sure. I’ve never read a single one of her comics but knew she went to high school with Peter.
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Mar 28 '18
Yep she went to high school with Pete and used to masturbate to the human torch. You should read alias!
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 29 '18
Are you sure? I thought Teen Jess had a short cut, in brown.
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u/Kurolegacy27 Mar 29 '18
It seems that ever since the Netflix show, Marvel has been synergizing Jessica and pretending that she has black hair (aside from in her own solo book oddly).
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Mar 29 '18
They focus on her a lot and call her Jessica. I think it’s definitely supposed to be her.
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u/TarHeelG99 Mar 28 '18
This is an awesome series. Love the back-to-basics but still interesting story.
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u/HughyHugh Silk Mar 28 '18
I wonder if Spectacular is going to reference Cindy as well - right now, she should be training with Ezekiel
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u/JonathanL73 Venom Mar 29 '18
I read older Spidey in TAS 90's voice, younger Spidey in Tom Holland's voice, and Jessica Jones in Krysten Ritter's voice.
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u/obstobicloth Mar 28 '18
I'm getting flashbacks to the 90s animated series all throughout the issue, especially the end scene and the shirt adult Peter is wearing.
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u/BlueHero45 Mar 29 '18
It's a diffrent universe but it seems rather unethical to completely uproot the chain of events like they are. Still, lots of wish fulfillment.
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Mar 27 '18 edited Mar 30 '18
Hoping this is good and leads into a new series.
EDIT: It was good.
EDIT 2: Judging by the final page it looks like they'll decide whether or not to continue making Blaze comics based on how well this issue sells. They even say for readers to e-mail them asking for more.
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u/mysaadlife Mar 28 '18
Loved the Noto art, this issue was seriously badass. Flaming elephants and Mad Max sequences isn't something I expected but it was dope as fuck.
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u/gaffergamgee Mar 28 '18
Picked this up 'cause its Johnny Blaze with a Crain cover, but I haven't been reading Damnation.
Noto isn't necessarily who I would pick to put on a title like this, as much as I usually like him, its just a bit too clean for the premise of this issue.
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Mar 28 '18
Yeah, I love Noto, but I agree. I would love to see someone like Filipe Andrade (recently did Old Man Logan 14 & 15, and the Secret Wars Siege series) or Juan Doe do art for a Ghost Rider series. Heck, even Genndy Tartakovsky would be cool.
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u/sonofaresiii Mar 30 '18
I can never keep Ghost Rider's identity, origin or abilities straight. It seems like every time he shows up, it's someone/thing different.
I hope what they laid out here sticks around a while, because it was pretty cool.
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u/s7sost Mar 28 '18
This issue solidified my commitment to subscribing to the upcoming Immortal Hulk by Al Ewing (as if I wasn't already, pfft), because holy shit that was awesome.
By the way, is this the first time Rogue absorbs Hulk's powers? At the very least she looked surprisingly in control so she must've done it before.
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u/Zwarrior2 Mar 31 '18
She absorbed Hulk's powers in Remender's Uncanny Avengers #21 (along with every other hero they can get).
I did notice that they forgot to make her green for a page after Hulk broke the Pyramoid, something to fix for the trade.
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u/s7sost Mar 31 '18
I did notice that they forgot to make her green for a page after Hulk broke the Pyramoid, something to fix for the trade.
I figured she was in the process of calming herself down but got really upset at Voyager when she was trying to explain herself and hulked out again.
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Mar 28 '18
Another really fun issue! I like that Voyager isn't a one-off villain pawn- at least not yet. I heard some writer or editor somewhere mention Voyager would appear in Quicksilver: No Surrender though.
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u/Perjunkie Mar 28 '18
If my count is correct this is the FIFTH time. The FIFTH time in this event Cannonball has been used to fly at his opponent and instantly get knocked away. Jesus, this is annoying to read...Other than that it was a fun issue.
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u/TheeHeadAche Ultron Mar 28 '18
flying at his opponent is his entire thing...
But I can understand the frustration.
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u/Perjunkie Mar 28 '18
My critique is that he has been constantly used to be instantly defeated.
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u/TheeHeadAche Ultron Mar 28 '18
I gotcha. Him being the jobber sucks and I hope they get him out of that rut. It is sad that’s all he’s done/been utilized as so far.
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u/AliveProbably Mar 28 '18
It is a bit annoying how many of the characters are just fodder so that a couple favorites can seem way stronger and cooler in comparison. I dunno, this whole event is very middling. I want to like it, so I'm still picking it up. Hopefully the ending has great payoff.
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u/suss2it Apr 01 '18
I doubt it will. We know what the Avengers are gonna look like after this event and we know none of these writers will be on the book. This honestly feels like a filler “event” to buy time until Aaron’s book is ready. I wouldn’t expect any grand payoff from this.
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u/burnerfret Mar 28 '18
No writers remember that he can use the blast field to redirect the force directed at it.
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 28 '18
Yass, Voyager! Come through with that last minute redemption! I mean... I kinda called it when the event was first starting, but I assumed she wouldn't know she was a Grandmaster Pawn.
This makes it so much better!
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 28 '18
D-Man was so thirsty for Ka-Zar last issue, what happened? I was hoping for more. lol Either way, I love that this is as much a D-Man book as it is Lockjaw.
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Mar 28 '18
Interior art was great, but Lockjaw was butchered on that cover art..
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u/FrigidArrow Mar 28 '18
Nice, pleasant sendoff issue.
This will only really make sense if you’ve read a lot of Bendis’ work recently. Basically, Armadillo is this guy Bendis puts as a gag villain to get beat up in a lot of his titles. This issue capitalizes on that and adds some depth to him, while Jones brings him back to a lover.
It’s nice, nothing extraordinary but good.
Bendis I’ve been following you since Secret Wars and I can’t thank you enough for all the work you’ve done. I’ll really miss you at Marvel and thank you for all the amazing characters you’ve made and written. Thanks Bendis
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u/lespritdelescalier11 Mar 29 '18
Secret Wars by Hickman, or Secret War, the one painted by Del Otto?
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u/Thunderstarter Mar 28 '18 edited Mar 29 '18
This wasn’t just a send-off for Jessica. It was a send-off for all of his characters. The letter at the end was really sweet: I can’t imagine the impact of seeing your original character become an international icon. You’re just some nerdy dude writing some comics that people seem to like one day, and the next people are raving about the TV adaptation of your character. That has to be surreal.
I’ll miss Bendis at Marvel, but I’m glad to hear that Jessica is coming back in the fall.
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 28 '18
This is so cute. I loved it. Also, I'm kinda antsy waiting for the new creative team, especially after that sneak peak of a re-designed
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u/King_Nomarch Mar 29 '18
Really good send off can't wait for the relaunch and the new creative team to be revealed.
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u/CashWho Mar 30 '18
Wow, I never realized that Armadillo was Bendis' Kite-Man (Hell Yeah). I liked this issue a lot. I liked that, like Bendis said, it was a case that only Jessica could really solve. I'm a DC reader so Bendis isn't going anywhere for me but it is sad that he won't be writing these characters anymore. (Though that one 2 page spread was pretty annoying)
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u/webshellkanucklehead Mar 28 '18
I haven’t read the issue, but it’s crazy that this could be Bendis’ last time writing for Jessica.
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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Mar 28 '18
That's an interesting way to make MU go after Wade. Kudos to Duggan.
Another solid issue, like every other one in this run.
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Mar 28 '18 edited Aug 16 '18
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Mar 28 '18
I love the way he's bringing in z-listers. Makes the MU feel more lived in and Wakanda an actual part of the universe.
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u/TheeHeadAche Ultron Mar 28 '18
I feel like Coates wants every issue to be a Storm issue.
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u/burnerfret Mar 28 '18
Which is ironic since over in X-Men Gold, Guggenheim wants no issues to be Storm issues. Maybe they should switch.
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Mar 28 '18
I’m enjoying this a lot. I DO think it’s gonna read much better in trade form, these super long story arcs are gonna work better there, giving a much fuller picture of the sense of context and culture Coates is working in this run
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u/TheUltimate3 Mar 28 '18
Honestly, the only thing of note I care about is the fate of Cyclops. He leaves, and as the Young X-Men seem to be blasting off into space for Light knows how long, this was him saying farewell. The problem, to me, is that there isn't really any emotional weight behind it.
Likewise, the resolution for Viv and Viv 2.0 reaches a conclusion without much of a payoff. Viv 2.0 gets wrecked and Viv basically fusion dances with her remains in an effort to A) save her 'sister' and B) become a android again. We all knew it was coming but it still feels...ugh. Why even have this arc?
Now the only confusing part to me is that this issue implies that the Champions added Wasp, Patriot, Falcon, Ironheart and Red Locust. BUT the next issue implies just Ironheart and Wasp.
Which honestly wouldn't surprise me, Marvel needs to let me down one last time, but one would think they would check this before committing to the next storyline.
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u/FrigidArrow Mar 28 '18
Well, Cyclops has been on for a while and the emotional weight comes from those issues assuming your long time reader.
Yeah, the Viv thing was unnecessary and uneventful. She just went back to being Viv.
I assume that Patriot, Falcon, and Red Locust will be reserve Champions. They’ll explain it in the next arc.
I am glad that Waid called out that the Champions are way off base from their original mission statement.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Still, this arc was a disappointing sendoff for Waid. Let’s hope Zub can clean up.
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u/burnerfret Mar 29 '18
Champions added Wasp, Patriot, Falcon, Ironheart and Red Locust. BUT the next issue implies just Ironheart and Wasp.
Based on last issue, I thought they were pitching it as more of a Defenders non-team situation -- like, hey, can we call on you, come hang out with us situation more than "here's your communicator, here's the monitor duty schedule."
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u/TheUltimate3 Mar 29 '18
And I would get that, if the next issue preview didn't say "Wasp and Ironheart officially join the Champions!" and now I'm just remembering Patriot, Locust, and Falcon all didn't receive new Champion designs based off this https://imgur.com/a/EjdFe
EDIT: Unless that silhouette is actually Red Locust in which case, no Patriot or Falcon.
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u/DarthPinkHippo Apr 02 '18
I hope it's Red Locust! I really want more of her, she seems super cool.
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u/Dragonick711 Mar 28 '18
Was I supposed to feel something about Cyclops leaving the team? It had no emotional weight to me at all; and neither did whatever you want to call those moments between Cyke and Kamala. They weren't just unnecessary they were unearned like all of the relationships have been in this series, it's all been Waid saying that they're close but never actually showing it.
I hope I'm not the only one that found the fix for the Viv situation creepy. It's basically original Viv possessing Viv 2.0's brain dead body as some way to remember her by, but it's really just wearing her dead sister's body so she's not human anymore. And as many others have said it pretty much makes this whole arc pointless because I doubt this is going to effect anything moving forward.
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u/burnerfret Mar 29 '18
saying that they're close but never actually showing it.
I feel like this has been a line-wide problem for Marvel for awhile now. There are a lot of people who are suddenly great friends, even though we've never really seen them interact before.
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u/Dragonick711 Mar 29 '18
Totally, it just seems especially bad for me on this book because Kamala, Miles, and Sam started this team and their friendship has been built up across a few books; but the three of them barely interact. I feel like all the interactions have just been the same pairs that never branch off or intersect.
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I liked this issue actually. Really this, the first couple, and the Worlds Collide issues are the only ones that felt like what the Champions series was meant to be. Kinda wish Cyclops was sticking around though. He was definitely an interesting pick for a team member.
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u/LucasVerBeek Mar 28 '18
Can the writers just agree to write Cyc with one romantic interest/girl with a thing for him? God it's already confusing with Jean and Bloodstorm and now you throw Kamala in the mix!
I'm excited to see where this story is going to go, because I'm not going to lie it's one of my favorite comics to read at the moment.
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u/Penguino13 Mar 30 '18
They just seemed to friends in this issue? They're team mates and care about each other, didn't see any romantic subtext
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u/OjamaKnight Ghost Rider Mar 29 '18
So did Viv actually gain anything from this arc? It feels like we just went around in a circle and nothing important happened. At least the last arc developed the Visions' relationship.
Shame Cyclops is leaving, he was my clear favorite among the cast.
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u/Kurolegacy27 Mar 29 '18
Yea like I’d love to know what the take away was supposed to be for Viv here. There was a definite development for Viv when she was made human by the fact that she had to actually confront and deal with her feelings of loss rather than just easily being able to turn them off and now she’s just back to being able to ignore it and be unemotional. It feels like she lost valuable character development on that move. Worst part is, it’s a comic book, they could have ended it on a best of both worlds note and nobody would have batted an eye since at very least there’d have been a point to this character arc.
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u/sonofaresiii Mar 30 '18
It's not that I'm sad to see Waid go, it's more that I'm sad I'm not sad.
I was really looking forward to what he had for this book, and it never really felt like it quite got there. It was never exactly unenjoyable, it just always felt like it had more potential.
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u/OjamaKnight Ghost Rider Mar 29 '18
I just realized something. How did Viv escape the Champions, exactly? She was running from them, on foot. And she was right next to them before she ran away.
Cyclops and Ms. Marvel not catching up, I understand. They stopped searching to hang out. But the rest couldn't find her?
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u/TalynRahl Thor Mar 28 '18
That was... Mixed. On one hand, the concept of power coming from belief is cool (if unoriginal), but some of the dialog was REALLY poor.
I guess I'll give the new run a chance, but I wasn't blown away by the way this arc played out.
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Mar 28 '18
That’s kinda how I’ve felt about this run in general cool concepts, good stories, great art, bad dialogue.
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u/SerenityFlyer Mar 28 '18
Holy shit, this story arc really nailed its landing. The idea of power coming from belief, that "do you fear me" spread, the final panel with the doctor. Damn. It's not exactly traditional Moon Knight, but it's good stuff.
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u/pecan_party Mr. Knight Mar 28 '18
super excited to see how this links to damnation.
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u/SerenityFlyer Mar 28 '18
My guess is it won't. Moon Knight is a pretty small player in Damnation and Bemis is (so far) telling a story that stands alone within the Marvel universe.
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u/Paulista666 Nova Mar 28 '18
Well, while I somewhat like this arc, can we've MK back to fight against bandits/mafia/stupid villains or something like that? I mean, while I like the fact they are working his mind problems, it can get boring at some point.
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u/Cedar-redaC Mar 30 '18
Probable the best issue since 189, but overall, not a great arc. The dialogue is mostly poor, and the sad part is that it could be fixed if Max Bemis would just know when to stop. So many times, I felt like a scene was solid and well written, but then a character would throw out some quip that completely broke my immersion in the story.
The ending was rather unsatisfying, and felt rushed. After last issue's battle of philosophy, there were some pretty cool stakes, but those were completely ignored in this issue. The conflict basically boiled down to "my belief in my daughter is better than your belief in Ra, so I win."
I'll probably put Moon Knight on the back burner for a while, probably until it gets a new writer.
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u/discophant64 Mar 28 '18
I've really not enjoyed Bemis on this. That Power of Crazy line was so stupid and bad. I'll get it one more time but if it's the same I think I'll pass until they switch writers again.
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u/blackpanthor Mar 28 '18
the dialogue is clunky and pretentious, there’s too many threads going at once, Bemis refuses to handle mental illness professionally and reverts to cliches, and moon knight feels like he’s being written like a completely new character.
Bushman didn’t need to be in this arc. he served zero purpose and should’ve gotten his own return story.
Bemis promising that Sun King would be Moon Knights new greatest villain was bullshit from the start. there’s no rivalry between the two and he got beat easily by Moon Knight shouting that his power is he’s crazy. give me a fucking break.
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u/discophant64 Mar 29 '18
The point you make about mental illness is the thing that bothers me the most about this book. It's so childish and stupid and regressive.
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u/blackpanthor Mar 29 '18
yeah, i agree. it’s even more disappointing after how well the last series treated the subject.
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u/MrKhonshu Mar 28 '18
Can't even lie I'm really mixed on this run of MK. While I get a few laughs out of the book that "power of crazy" shit had me dying lol it was stupid as hell and I kinda enjoyed it but Bemis lied cause Sun King ain't shit so I guess only Charles Soule has successfully created a new villain in Muse that I just can't wait to see appear in more books.
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u/oliviathecf Mar 28 '18
I've given this book too many fair chances but "We have the power of crazy" is just really bad. On so many levels.
So this is the straw that broke the camel's back and I'm actually unsubscribing from a Moon Knight book.
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Mar 28 '18
Ok, this series is great. I hope it's selling well, it deserves it. The world-building is top-notch, fully realizing the potential of the Old Man universe. It's like Cormac McCarthy meets Kill Bill, and I love it.
(And oh my god, finally, a Hawkeye-Thunderbolts reunion, after all these years!)
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u/rakuko Mar 28 '18
its a treat to read this series. immaculate illustrations and great further world building
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Mar 30 '18
Surprised no one commented yet. Probably because of his slow healing factor I feel that eventually Old Man Logan is gonna die. I hope we get interactions with Wolverine though.
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u/jdeas Moon Knight Apr 01 '18
Yeah would be awesome if 616 wolvie meets him before he goes!
This issue was better than the last but this arc is a bit lacklustre so far.
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 28 '18
Silk was a welcome guest-star. But I am so over this Chameleon arc. Can we just get back to Wade and Peter being besties?
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u/SirKnightCourtJester Mar 29 '18
Yeah, this book has always been in a really weird place IMO. Story arcs are either too long, too weird, or broken up. Spider-Man turning into a murderer especially was too much for me. I just want some good buddy team action like in the first arc.
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 29 '18
Actually, Spidey going full on "I need to kill Itsy-Bitsy" was super sexy. But I just need them to return to the "Weasel being used by Mephisto to compromise Wade's soul, and teasing Peter with the revelation of One More Day" plot. ASAP.
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u/DriedSocks Mar 30 '18
Yeah, as soon as Joe Kelly and Ed McGuinness left the book, I dropped it. I’ll probably buy the trades with their issues compiled. I dipped back in for Old Man Deadpool and Old Man Spidey but this Chameleon thing has me really uninvested.
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Mar 28 '18
What is the up with the Parkers and doing Deals with the Devil? How is it that Kaine is the one that is free from that?
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u/civninja Mar 30 '18
Honestly hoping Ben is smarter than that and has something planned.
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u/sonofaresiii Mar 30 '18
I'd put money on it. No way does Ben sink bank from his redemption resolve so fast.
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u/Flyingwheelbarrow Mar 30 '18
Becuase Kaine suffered more and lost that naive stupidity a long time ago. Ben still is just Peter Parker with issues. I love his struggle but Kaine is just more nuanced.
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u/krabs_66 Mar 28 '18
Doom should have wiped the floor with the Wrecking Crew two chapters ago, this is getting silly.
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u/FrigidArrow Mar 28 '18
Ugh, man this arc is dragging.
It’s too damn slow.
Bendis makes an amazing sendoff to Jessica in a Purple Man arc, but this just is disappointing.
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u/HughyHugh Silk Mar 28 '18
i find it weird that Toni Ho, someone who not only knows Tony Stark as well as being easily top 30 smartest people in the world, would be confused about an AI but ok
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u/s7sost Mar 29 '18
Toni Ho was written so out of character it's unbelievable. While it's cool that she took part of the whole Armor Squad thing, she also swore off wearing the Iron Patriot suit and devote herself to non-lethal technology. But I guess that doesn't matter to Bendis since she's out of character enough to give her another suit and pretend nothing happened.
Also the reason why this is dragging the way it does is because they decided to cram an arc worth of content from Infamous Iron Man, so it drags for two. I'd prefer they just did like three more issues of Infamous on its own (since the current story has definitely little to do with the search of Tony Stark) and leave Riri to pursue Stark with her peers.
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u/Kurolegacy27 Mar 29 '18
Honestly, for Toni Ho, while it does seem out of character for her to have a new armor after USAvengers, if this is set after Avengers No Surrender, it would be even more of her not to have an armor for emergencies.
I also agree about the Infamous Iron Man B plot going on. It has literally nothing to do with the arc story yet they keep slowing it down to have that play out.
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u/s7sost Mar 29 '18
Bendis infamously writes out of continuity, so I'm doubting that's the case. It also looked like they purposely avoided using the original Iron Patriot model because it looks a lot like Iron Man's in a different color scheme.
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u/HughyHugh Silk Mar 30 '18
Toni Ho swearing off suits then instantly making one is literally the transition from IM3 to AoU
Aikku is gonna get tight as hell lmao
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Mar 28 '18
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS BOOK...to be over so Dan Slott's can begin. I'm sooo excited about that one.
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Mar 28 '18
If nothing else, Stuff will at least happen
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Mar 28 '18
I feel like I'll actually care about what happens in an Iron Man book for the first time in years.
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u/werd713 Mar 28 '18
Yeah it seems like Bendis has really abandoned the whole "things happening" element of superhero comics in the last couple years
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u/arbitrarygenius Mar 28 '18
Well, I clearly liked it more than everyone else. Agree Doom should have wiped floor with Wrecking Crew but other than that. I mean it's not perfect and there's definitely pacing issues from Bendis leaving (I imagine).
But I thought it was a pretty fun read.
Don't entirely trust end reveal until we've heard from both parties involved, but it's a good(ish) cliffhanger and would not at all be sorry for it to be true.
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u/HDI-X13 Spider-Man Mar 28 '18
I do think this was the best issue of the arc so far. But it’s part six. This stuff should’ve been happening several issues ago.
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u/arbitrarygenius Mar 29 '18
For sure, but I came and looked at comments and all I could think was "hrrm, do I even want to admit I liked it", and then realised that maybe other people checking in might want to see that at least someone did!
The pacing of these issues hasn't been good and I'd love to spend more time with the chars we now have in play, but all I really want is for it to end well.
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u/TalynRahl Thor Mar 28 '18
That was actually a pretty solid issue.
We find out a bit more about where Tony has gone, and it sounds rather interesting, hope we find out more!
Doctor Doom's section was a bit better. Glad to see that even when he's down, Doom isn't out. Can't wait to see him get some vengeance!
And lastly, it seems Riri has some allies! Am I the only one that kinda wants an Armor Squad comic? They're like power rangers, but marginally less campy.
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u/MadEorlanas Mar 29 '18
This feels like they REALLY want Tony to return during the 600th issue, but they could have cut 2 or three issues from this arc no problem.
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u/mysaadlife Mar 29 '18
I have a feeling something's gonna be announced involving a new shield with miles and Riri involved.
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u/13snowdemon Mar 28 '18
Still nothing happening BUT I think they're setting Riri up for something important and thats exciting.
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u/TheRazorSlash Mar 30 '18
I jumped on this book because I was actually kind of interested in what happened to Tony Stark when he went missing, but damn is this a slog to get through. They're stretching it out so much and I just don't care anymore.
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u/Ptylerdactyl Groot Mar 27 '18
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Mar 28 '18
I'm so confused as to where this is going
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u/burnerfret Mar 28 '18
Does this arc end here? I love the FF so I was interested, but it feels like it's been going on forever and just spinning its wheels.
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u/OjamaKnight Ghost Rider Mar 28 '18
That's my main problem with many Moon Girl stories, despite this book being one of my currently-running favorites. Stories feel like they're being stretched out to fit a trade.
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u/burnerfret Mar 28 '18
Yeah, it feels like Luna kind of succeeds in earning people's affections (or mine, at least) almost despite her stories, just through her personality. Her solo title has nice moments and humor, but the plotting can be slow, and a little obvious in a way that makes Luna look bad, if that makes sense -- like, the smartest person in the world should be able to tell where this is going.
And whenever she shows up in a team book like Secret Warriors or IvX, I just want to scream at the adults from bringing along a child. At least make her use a Braniac style force field belt or something.
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u/Ptylerdactyl Groot Mar 27 '18
General Discussion
Infinity War is a month away! What do you want to see most - and what do you not want to see?
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u/Fiti99 Mar 27 '18
Want to see: Spider-Man
Do not want too see: "No shit Sherlock"
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Mar 28 '18
I remember when Cumberbatch was announced for Doc Strange, and every post on here was everyone wanting to see that line. 😐
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 28 '18
Most want to see: Everybody dies brutally.
Don't want to see: Everybody dies brutally.
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u/GirIsKing Mar 28 '18
Came here to say that
Also i don't want to cry when its over
Also i do want to cry when its over
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u/craig1818 Mar 27 '18
I really don’t want to see Captain America die, but I have a feeling that it’s going to happen.
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Mar 27 '18
I guess the one thing I would kill to see on Infinity War would be Thanos creating Terraxia just to see how it would mess with people and What I wouldnt want to see is the dumb THANOS Gems Theory coming true in any way
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u/blackbutterfree Mar 28 '18
Thanos creating Terraxia
Screw Infinity War, I wanna see her come back anywhere. She seemed like such an interesting idea for a character. With the constant resurrections, I'm shocked she's never come back.
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u/HDI-X13 Spider-Man Mar 27 '18
I want to see people die and I don’t want to see spoilers.
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u/thecursedham Ant-Man Mar 28 '18
Want to see: Richard Rider set up. Thanos invading Xandar for Power Stone would be great way to have Richard Rider become last Nova.
Don't Want to see: a quick lame death to show how powerful Thanos is. We've come to love these characters, if they're dying give them a good one.
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u/burnerfret Mar 28 '18
To be clear -- I think there's a 99.9% chance this won't happen.
But a nod to the Fox properties, either the X-Men, FF or both, would be the absolute best.
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u/john_segundus Mar 28 '18
They said Wakanda is going to be really important going forward, and since they were able to say that with conviction even though the movie was already in the can by that time, I'm optimistic.
I also don't think there is any way they'd kill M'Baku - they may not have known how popular he would be, but the way they build that character doesn't point to a random death in a non-BP movie.
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Mar 27 '18
Mostly all the different character interactions we'll get like the spidey/strange one we saw at the end of the latest trailer.
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Mar 28 '18
Hopefully it leads up to Strange being the "team-up" character in the Homecoming sequel.
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u/Ptylerdactyl Groot Mar 27 '18
Daredevil #600