r/AmericaBad • u/GoldenStitch2 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ • 1d ago
Data Thoughts on this poll? Kosovo kinda surprises me
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u/MihalysRevenge NEW MEXICO 🛸🌶️ 🏜️ 1d ago
That is surprising but there are tons of terminally online Balkan/Russian nationalists that spread propaganda against it.
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u/theEWDSDS MINNESOTA ❄️🏒 1d ago
I think you mean serbs and russians. Bosnia and Kosovo would be in NATO right now if it weren't for economic and security issues right now.
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u/Unfair-Emergency-659 20h ago
And in Bosnia we cannot join nato at keast as of now because the Serb member of presidency will block that or at least do what he can to stop that.
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u/General_Kenobi18752 KENTUCKY 🏇🏼🥃 1d ago
Okay, aside from some other things.
WHO THE 9 MFS SAYING WORLD WAR II WAS WRONG???
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u/L_knight316 1d ago
Either an isolationist who thinks involving ourselves in foriegn conflicts is bad, a neo-nazi who sympathized with germany, a McCarthyist who thought we should have fought the Soviets rather than allied with them, people who think the US is racist for fighting the Japanese, etc. etc.
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u/RueUchiha IDAHO 🥔⛰️ 1d ago
Well for the Isolationists, guess what the US was trying to be before Japan bombed us.
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u/Gaming_is_cool_lol19 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 1d ago
That doesn’t mean it should be again.
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u/L_knight316 1d ago
Doesn't mean we need to be involved in literally everyone's conflicts either
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u/Gaming_is_cool_lol19 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 1d ago
Yes, we do need to help our allies.
If we didn’t play world police, somebody else would, like the PRC. China is rapidly approaching our naval capabilities and has made large strides in aerial combat lately as well.
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u/L_knight316 1d ago
First of all, alliances aren't eternal and neither is political "friendship." It's hard to justify being the attack dog of the French in places like Vietnam and Libya so they can maintain their shrinking pseudo empire when none of the conflicts actually provide any benefit to us but we take the human, political, and social cost. The Gaza strip is not our concern, it's Isreal and Palestine's. Ukraine is not our concern, it's Russia and Ukraine's, doubly so when our supposed allies most threatened by Russia continue to fund Russia with billions in oil trade.
The US is not the moral arbiter of the world and the political/economic benefits of being "the world police" only exist in a unipolar world where nobody has a reason to focus their efforts in undermining or ursurping our own politics and culture. But since we aren't bombing every rising power into the stone age and since we involve ourselves in the business of every Tom, Dick, and Harry on the planet, every Tom, Dick, and Harry has the reason and ability to focus large portions of their focus and resources maliciously against us meanwhile we have to spread our attention in 101 directions while at least paying lip service to the idea of being the "universal good guys."
This is not a sustainable situation.
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u/Gaming_is_cool_lol19 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 1d ago
Neither is letting Russia and China do what they want.
You have a stupid mix of isolationism and nationalism that are not sustainable.
We SHOULD maintain our alliances. Sorry.
Also, Vietnam is way different that was years ago.
I disagree with your frankly idiotic isolationist stance that we shouldn’t care about things that don’t directly affect us.
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u/JET1385 1d ago
Probably newly immigrated ppl that don’t like America, or brainwashed extreme leftists that think we should have abstained from every war
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u/Gaming_is_cool_lol19 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 1d ago
Currently it’s the right that is going on about isolationism, not the left.
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u/JET1385 1d ago
Um no. Have you heard the extreme leftists? “America shouldn’t be involved in any wars bc we’re horrible and exploit ppl and kill ppl all over the world”.
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u/Gaming_is_cool_lol19 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 1d ago
That’s not nearly as common or relevant right now as MAGA isolationists. Look around outside of Reddit, bud.
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u/JET1385 1d ago
Yeah it is
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u/Gaming_is_cool_lol19 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 1d ago
You’re just ignorant because you fall on the right. Look around bud.
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u/JET1385 10h ago
Really? You know I “fall on the right” for a fact? And that everyone who isn’t left is “ignorant”. Or you’re just making shit up like the other things you’re asserting
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u/Gaming_is_cool_lol19 MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ 5h ago
No, but it’s obvious that you fall on the right because you are somehow not seeing the fact that right-wing MAGA isolationism is extremely relevant and mainstream right now, while left-wing isolationism is only the fringes.
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u/ChessGM123 MINNESOTA ❄️🏒 21h ago
It might be people who are saying that because they believe dropping the nukes was wrong (even though it was the best decision at the time). Even though this isn’t what the survey is asking there’s always going to be people who misunderstand the question.
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u/OneofTheOldBreed 1d ago
Afghanistan, i suspect, is hindsight. Maybe the First Gulf War is getting dragged down with Iraq War memories.
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u/JET1385 1d ago
Afghanistan was after 9/11 though and to get Osama. I cant think of one American who was against it. By hindsight you mean pulling the troops out ? But that was after the “war” wasn’t it ? Maybe it was these gen z kids who are now Osama groupies whose parents need to be brought in for questioning as to why they’re such shitty parents.
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u/UglyInThMorning 20h ago
Definitely the case for the first gulf war- that was enforcing a UN resolution.
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u/nichyc CALIFORNIA🍷🎞️ 1d ago
Kosovo kinda surprises me
First, calling it the "Kosovo War" is confusing since the real WAR was the wider Yugoslav wars. We just got involved to stop the genocide and dissuade the Serbs from invading Kosovo.
Second, I suspect not many Americans know about the context behind Yugoslavia anyways, and these days its common to assume the worst in the absence of a formulated opinion.
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u/NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 1d ago
World war 1 was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more questionable than most of these.
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u/Fearless_Ad_4618 1d ago
WW1 was a mistake. I will die on this take.
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u/Reynolds1790 1d ago
It was a stupid war, a pissing competition between the various kings of Europe, who were all mostly related to each other, except for the ruler of the Ottoman Empire.
It err achieved the death of millions of people, the downfall of the German, Ottoman, Austrian-Hungarian and Russian Empires.
The peace treaty also sowed one of the seeds for the rise of Hitler.
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u/Public_Equivalent441 1d ago
they touched our boats
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u/PriestKingofMinos WASHINGTON 🌲🍎 1d ago edited 17h ago
They tried to incite Mexico into going to war with the USA.
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u/Robinsonirish 1d ago
Why? The US entered the conflict in April 1917 after Germany started unrestricted submarine warfare against Atlantic supply shipping. Even if you sympathise with the Central powers, that the US shouldn't be involved at all and supplying the Brits, hopping in and helping to put an end to that madness and stop us from killing each other needlessly was a good thing.
Pretty much nobody over here in Europe thinks US were wrong for joining the fight, that whole clusterfuck is entirely on us. Nationalism had risen, people were just itching for a war to test out new weapons and tactics after a period of extended peace. With the huge armament in the lead up to the war, fighting would have kicked off no matter what.
Joining that war didn't cost the US very much, only about 50k dead, 100k casualties, but it gave you a seat at the table, setting the stage for becoming the world's #1 superpower. Same thing all over again in WW2, you played those 2 conflicts very smartly and there are no moral qualms about your actions.
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u/AdvancedAerie4111 15h ago
The Afghanistan War was one of the most justifiable wars in history. The Taliban had literally been protecting and hiding Bin Laden since the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa. It should be up there with the Gulf War. The Korean War was also a righteous cause. The 60s leftists getting control of the University Humanities departments in the 90s and 00s have really done a number on America.
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u/AlfredFJones1776 1d ago
World War One???? Really?????
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u/L_knight316 1d ago
WW1 was a shitshow domino effect of alliances triggering in the worst possible way. WW2 was the one that had a more clear cut black and white morality to it, even if said "white" was more a generous shade of gray.
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u/AlfredFJones1776 20h ago
I know that. That's why I'm surprised so many believe fighting in WW1 was "justified"
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