r/AskHistorians Oct 06 '19

"In those days, "surgeons operated in blood-stiffened frock coats – the stiffer the coat, the prouder the busy surgeon", "pus was as inseparable from surgery as blood", and "Cleanliness was next to prudishness"" How would this make sense in the light of the miasma theory? Wouldnt everything reek?

"He quotes Sir Frederick Treves on that era: "There was no object in being clean...Indeed, cleanliness was out of place. It was considered to be finicking and affected. An executioner might as well manicure his nails before chopping off a head""

I see these quotes quite often (taken from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Liston) and it makes little sense to me. All of that should reek. If I believed in miasma, and everything I owned smelled incredibly bad, would I not believe its spreading disease? Furthermore, most doctors saw themselves as gentleman and were proud of keeping themselves clean. Why would they make an exception here?

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u/fikstor Oct 06 '19

So the answer went beyond the reddit limit for posts so it is split in to a parent comment and then it continues as a reply. I've seen this done in reddit before and hopefully I didn't fudge it.

The question is hard to answer is a straightforward manner. It had to do, as other posters have mentioned, with the need to appear respectable to the patients. Medical knowledge was lacking in several areas and while it is true that the "miasma" theory was prevalent it was not seen as the sole source of disease, for example a broken bone from a fall had nothing to do with miasmas. Thus, the miasma theory was mostly sued to explain what we would now call "infectious" diseases. Surgical treatments were prescribed for very specific diseases which might not have a "miasmatic origin" and would then not be affected by miasma or bad odours. The intersection of miasma with surgery is highly interesting and worthy of an extended post but today I shall focus on the myth of the "blood caked" coat.

By the early to mid-nineteenth century, surgery was shifting from its previous trade and artisan associations to the beginnings of a profession complete with the associated infrastructure of colleges, learned societies, qualifications and finally incorporation into standardized medical degrees. Thus, the newly acquired status of the surgical professional was a prized possession, not least because it was seen to attract potential patients and increase income.

As an aspirational profession, surgery was heavily promoted by its leading lights as one in which every practitioner was cultured, urbane and well-educated; but the very novelty of this situation meant that surgeons’ standing and status had necessarily to be constantly and consistently signaled to a public whose actual perception of surgeons’ status and activities must have hovered somewhere between that of butchers and joiners, hence the common if unflattering term for surgeons: “sawbones.” However, with the standardization of medical qualifications not being universal or necessarily expected until the end of the nineteenth century, the quacks, or unqualified practitioners, continued to rely on eighteenth century flamboyance, extravagance, exoticism and a bit of showmanship as the time-honored way to attract patients.

As a contributor to the Australian Medical Journal in 1871 noted, the image of a “quack,” as seen by the medical establishment of the period was of “[one] whose lips are oily, whose words are musical … [His] garments are faultless; his jewelry is costly and abundant; his locks anointed and he exhales an odor of frangipani” (1) As far as regular surgeons were concerned, a surgical operation was perceived as a major event for a patient and their family (or even literally, for the less fortunate, a “life passage”) and as such should be performed with reverence and dignity; so the aim of the surgeon would be to maintain his dignified persona while accomplishing a necessarily disordered procedure.

Generally, up until the nineteenth century, surgeons had performed (very infrequent) “capital” (major) operations in their street clothes with the only concession to what was, in effect, manual labor, being the removal of coats and the rolling up of shirt-sleeves, usually during a particularly physically taxing and bloody procedure such as a major amputation. This state of relative undress gave the surgeon freedom of movement, indicated vigorous and rapid activity (necessary in the days before anesthesia) and preserved his clothes from potential extensive blood and tissue spattering which would have been both obvious and difficult to remove. As J. Collins Warren noted, “The surgeon’s toilet was regarded as a post-operative ceremony” (2).

Change, however, was on the horizon for both the practice and perception of surgery: change ironically encapsulated in the somewhat anachronistic 1912 portrait of the eminent early nineteenth century British surgeon Robert Liston (Figure 1), depicted as the archetypal agile, adept and rapid eighteenth century operator stripped down to his shirtsleeves, as described above. Liston would have been much more likely to have kept his coat on and has actually been described as operating “in a bottle-green coat.”(3)

Nevertheless, this reinstating of respectability did not take into account the continuing problem of spillage and soil onto the surgeon from the operative procedures: hence the perennial surgical story of the frock coat “stiff with caked blood” (4). This story seems to have originated in the reminiscences of elderly surgeons intent on painting a grim, dirty and bloody picture of the nineteenth century surgery of their youth (5-9) . Their aim was no doubt to emphasize the progress made in surgery in the last part of the nineteenth and the early twentieth centuries and to make an obvious distinction between the two — a distinction that may not always have existed in reality, given that in any field there is always more continuity than change.(10)

However, the legend of the “blood and pus soaked” coat, so frequently mentioned in reminiscences, served well as a rhetorical marker of all that had been wrong in the bad old days of surgery. The legend of the “blood soaked” coats may also have originated, at least in part, from the time-honored habit of “downscaling” older, much worn clothes, either to others (servants or second-hand clothes dealers) or for wear on less formal occasions, rather than getting rid of them altogether. Men’s clothes in particular, before the advent of ready-towear and the “high street tailor,” were much too valuable to discard, so surgeons simply followed the general custom of utilizing their “second best” coats for their “work”; thus the coat worn for formal ward rounds or “coat tail visits” as they were referred to at the Massachusetts General Hospital in the 1880s (11), would be downgraded to the operating coat.

As J. Collins Warren noted in his nineteenth century reminiscences of surgery and surgeons in Massachusetts General Hospital, “Antiquated broadcloth coats which were no longer fit to perform their ordinary duties were used [for surgery]”(2), an observation echoed in the comment of W. T. Hayward describing surgery at Liverpool Hospital in 1871: “the [surgeons] wore frock coats … the coats had evidently done good service for some years in another capacity” (12). The matron of Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney (later Royal Prince Alfred) also confirmed that before an operation in 1882 “the surgeon would remove his coat and don an older coat kept at the hospital for this purpose” (13).

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u/fikstor Oct 06 '19

It might also be useful to question the “normal” cleanliness of men’s clothes in this period, given that washing was problematic with the heavy fabrics used for male attire and the lack of amenities, such as commercial soap products and a convenient water supply even in the houses of the better off. Dry cleaning, as a process for difficult-to-wash clothes, was available through high street shops by the mid-nineteenth century although it is difficult to assess how many people actually used the service. A couple of examples from different strata of society serve to highlight the issue of the acceptable, attainable and expected level of cleanliness in clothing.

Firstly, it is astonishing to twenty-first century sensibilities how many nineteenth century police reports note that violent male offenders left the scene of their crime completely unchallenged, apparently because nobody saw anything particularly unusual in their wearing stained and evidently bloody clothing. On being apprehended, even quite some days later, the accused was often found to be wearing the same stained clothing which had still not attracted much comment, no doubt partly due to the “legitimately” begrimed and bloody clothing of, for example, butchers, abattoir workers or gamekeepers—these implicit expectations of “ordinary” disorder in dress telling a different tale from that depicted in the posed photographs of the period. Secondly, on the issue of ubiquitous sweat and smell, the massed flowers used to decorate even upper class nineteenth century ballrooms had the secondary, but no less useful, purpose of masking the euphemistically termed “musky” emanations from the much worn and seldom cleaned clothes of the dancing couples, especially the dark dress clothes of the men.(14)

In both the situations described above the lack of cleanliness and freshness in clothes was seen as unfortunate but not unexpected. Thus, in surgical memoirs, the slightly soiled and sweat soaked but otherwise quite acceptable “second best coats” of their younger selves may have morphed in the memory of their old age into gore-dripping metaphors for an earlier surgical identity.

The introduction and subsequent expansion of antiseptic surgery in the 1860s and 1870s initially appeared to make very little difference to the apparel of the surgical team, in spite of the claims of traditional medical history that Lister’s innovations heralded the start of “scientific surgery.” Nevertheless, for several reasons, none of which had anything to do with “science,” some surgeons were in fact moving in the direction of at least covering up their street clothes. Some were forced to do so by the “clammy and sodden discomfort” of the operating room (13), a state induced by carbolic acid from the spray, now in fairly general surgical use; but in a more general sense surgeons were responding to society’s increasing expectations of cleanliness in all clothing.

TL;DR: Surgeons embellishing their exploits, lack of adequate science and the general uncleanliness of the time period merged to create the legend of the bloody coat.

Please let me know if you wish to clarify or expand on any point.

  1. Australian Medical Journal, September 16, 1871,275).
  2. Warren, J. Collins. 1958. To Work in the Vineyard of Surgery: The Reminiscences of J. Collins Warren, 1842–1927. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press
  3. Gordon, Richard. 1983. Great Medical Disasters. New York: Stein and Day.
  4. Pockley, F. Antill. 1923. “Some Reminiscences.” Sydney University Medical Journal July: 149–158.
  5. Annandale, T. 1902. “Early Days in Edinburgh.” British Medical Journal December 13: 1842–1843
  6. Binney, E. H. 1923. “Looking Backwards.” Sydney University Medical Journal July: 108–208
  7. Cameron, Hector. 1927. Reminiscences of Lister and His Work in the Wards of Glasgow Royal Infirmary. Glasgow: Jackson and Wylie.
  8. Dunlop, N. J. 1902. “Surgery as It Was Practised Thirty Years Ago.” Medical Journal of Australia May 22: 482–486.
  9. Marshall, H. Hamilton. 1923. “Many a Year Ago.” Sydney University Medical Journal July: 191–193.
  10. Lawrence, Christopher. 1992. “Democratic, Divine and Heroic: The History and Historiography of Surgery.” In Medical Theory, Surgical Practice, edited by Christopher Lawrence, 1–47. London and New York: Routledge.
  11. Finney, J. M. T. 1932. “Changing Conditions in Surgery since the Time of Henry Jacob Bigelow.” New England Journal of Medicine 206, February 11: 263–276.
  12. Hayward, W. T. 1912. “Reminiscences.” Australasian Medical Gazette March: 294.
  13. Doherty, Muriel Knox. 1996. The Life and times of Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney, Australia. Sydney: New South Wales College of Nursing.
  14. Margetson, Stella. 1980. Victorian High Society. London: B.T. Batsford.

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u/Vio_ Oct 06 '19 edited Oct 06 '19

Blood patterns from violent assaults also don't act predictably(fyi, blood spatter analysis is bogus). Just because a lot of blood was spattered at a scene doesn't mean that the attacker was doused or spattered with it.

Having a job with contact with a lot of blood would have been very class/job oriented with most of them having worked with animal slaughter, byproducts (like tanning), hunting, military, etc.

A doctor would have been one of the "more respectable" jobs that would encountered a lot of blood, but even the degree and respectability levels for doctors rose a lot throughout the 1800s with the advent of clinical medicine being adopted throughout the continent and US. (even nursing was considered a very low level job for women up until Florence Nightengale and Clara Barton).

Germ theory alone took decades to become fully adopted by the European medical establishments and it was almost a matter of attrition where older doctors would die off leaving the younger doctors to take over the various schools and hospitals who pushed through new advancements, germ theory, and clinical medicine ideas.

Even then there was a split between those who believed in total sterilization practices versus those who believed in antiseptic practices- just steriziling local areas around a surgery (think the bed itself) and any tools but leaving the rest of the surgical area as it was. For as famous as Lister was and still is, he only believed in cleaning tools and localized items with carbolic acid. He was also well known (in his time) for being quite disgusting otherwise.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3468637/

Crowther MA, Dupree MW. Medical lives in the age of the surgical revolution.

The Butchering Art: Joseph Lister's Quest to Transform the Grisly World of Victorian Medicine; Lindsey Fitzharris

The Making of Modern Medicine- https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00k9b7r

(I can't recommend this podcast series enough for a really solid overview of the development of clinical medicine around the world).

A Sense of the World: How a Blind Man Became History's Greatest Traveler; Jason Roberts

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u/fikstor Oct 06 '19

I would argue that it is quite difficult to understand what the early 1800's might have looked like in many aspects specially when looking it through our modern sensibilities.

I am not arguing that particular blood patterns were recognized on the criminals but the fact that blood and other stains were not uncommon in those times. In general 1800's England and to some extend the U.S. were not very "clean" by modern standards. Indoor plumbing was in it's early stages and "flush toilets" were more a novelty than a practical addition to homes(1). Outhouses were still the norm and washing oneself was still done with basins. These difficulties extended to the washing of clothes, specially the ones made of heavy fabric such as gentleman's coats. So I believe it stands to reason that "trade" stains were not uncommon in these period. It just so happens that for surgeons this trade stains meant blood.

However it is hard to think that the "blood stiffened coats" so often brought up when thinking about early 19th century surgeons, were a common occurrence nevermind a "desired" outcome for both the surgeon and the prospective patients.

The evidence I cited earlier clearly establish that this idea comes from the memoirs of 19th century surgeons, specially those from the 2nd half of the century. In theses texts the imagery of dirty coats is used to compare and contrast the "old" age of surgery to the "new" surgery of the 2nd half of the century.

I agree that Lister was still very fond of the coat for surgery and believed that his carbolic acid method solved the need for any other forms of cleanliness.

Three influential points that helped change this idea of the "Gentleman Surgeon" dresses in frock coats towards the "everything must be clean and sparkling" happened in the latter half of the 18th century:

1)The permeation of gem theory to the general population 2)The advent of lighter, cheaper and easier to wash fabrics 3)The introduction of cheap industrial made soap and detergent

This helped the transition towards a more "immaculate" image of what surgery was to be and marked a trend towards white being the preferred color. This can be evidenced even in art as the evolution of surgical attire is thoroughly recorded in paintings of the time.

  1. Olsztynski, J. (1999). A history of plumbing engineering. PM Engineer, 5(10), 30-36.

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u/Secretively Oct 06 '19

A fascinating read! Thanks for posting your answer. What time did whole-scale change towards sterility begin to effect the profession? What were professional opinions around the time?

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u/fikstor Oct 06 '19

It was a slow transition throughout mid part of the 19th century due to many contribution by a lot of people. I am pressed for time at the moment as I have a meeting to attend so I will list some of them and if you are interested to know more please reply and I will expand on the topic.

Pasteur and the germ theory of disease - 1857 Lister with the use of carbolic acid - 1867 Semmelweis with antiseptic (hand washing) technique and its impact on infection - 1849 Wendell and his work on puerperal fever - 1843 Morton and Simpson with anesthesia in 1842 and 1846

As you can see, a lot of significant discoveries were made during a very short period of time. This is widely regarded as the start of the "scientific" age of surgery and it is a fascinating and tumultuous time for the profession.

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u/HeartyBeast Oct 06 '19

Even slower transition perhaps? It wasn't until during the last 20 years in the UK that the prohibition against wearing ties was taken that seriously amongst hospital consultants. You can see this as a continuation of the frocked coat ethos, perhaps?

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u/fikstor Oct 07 '19

It was slow for sure. Scientific information was slow to disseminate in the 1850s and the medical science is slow to change and adapt even to this day.

Regarding the issue of ties as vectors for disease: as far as I can tell the first article published on this matter was an opinion piece in 2000 (1) formal studies were later conducted which supported this basic premise.

Quality in medicine is very hard to attain. Spending time in a hospital as a patient is a very risky proposition (2). Much effort has gone into providing safer conditions in a hospital and 19 years after that seminal report we are still struggling to provide a comprehensive solution to it all.

Patient safety remains one of the biggest challenges in modern medicine and is worthy of a very long post on it's own.

1.Dixon, M. "Neck ties as vectors for nosocomial infection." Intensive care medicine 26.2 (2000): 250-250. 2.Donaldson, Molla S., Janet M. Corrigan, and Linda T. Kohn, eds. To err is human: building a safer health system. Vol. 6. National Academies Press, 2000.

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u/PrehistoricPrincess Oct 07 '19

You actually answered in APA format. Hats off to you. This is why I love this sub.

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u/fikstor Oct 07 '19

When replying in askhistorians I’m not very rigorous with citation styles. I just like numbered citations in text. Nowadays each publisher has some particular style you must conform to.

Citation styles where you include the name in text and the reference list is alphabetical in order are exasperating IMHO.

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u/whoisfourthwall Oct 06 '19

Thanks, very informative and impressive.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '19

Thank you very much for the well written, thorough and informative answer!

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u/hughk Oct 07 '19

Thanks for an interesting response.

The thing is that workers had been wearing some kind of protective outer clothing since the 18th century (dungarees or aprons) and even those in early laboratories were often depicted with aprons of some kind.

Was it a deliberate choice by 19th century surgeons to look more like a professional than a manual worker?

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u/fikstor Oct 08 '19

I apologize for the late reply but I haven't had time to reply properly.

 

Before the 19th century surgery had been seen as the "trade" of medicine. The reason was the split of medicine (Physicians) and surgery (Surgeons and barber-surgeons which later merged) in the medieval period (please see my previous /r/AskHistorians answer if you want to see a more in depth explanation of that split). So as such "tradesmen", surgeons wore "working" clothes such as aprons when performing their procedures. (1) When surgery started becoming a more "respectable" profession it had to legitimize itself and the leading practitioners of the day believed they could achieve this by looking respectable and thus they dressed like physicians(2).

 

As early as 1885 we have evidence of surgeons shifting towards surgical clothes that included aprons: "the doctor and all his assistants take off their coats and have tied round them garments of white mackintosh which cover them from chin to toes, and over this a shift—a kind of white cotton surplice with loose sleeves coming to the elbows, this latter is changed after each case"(3). Later around the mid 1890s "Operation coats" made of linen were a common occurrence in operating theaters (4). As I mentioned on other comment this is easily seen in the art of the time "The Gross Clinic" of 1875 and "The Agnew Clinic" of 1989 show the rapid adoption of this new brand of "scientific" surgery.

 

So you can see how surgeons did use an apron BEFORE the 18th century, then they decided to become respectable and dressed in suits and coats only to be move back to aprons and later specialized surgical clothing.

 

  1. Jones, Peter. 2007. A Surgical Revolution: Surgery in Scotland, 1837–1901. Edinburgh: Birlinn
  2. Gernsheim, Alison. 1981. Victorian and Edwardian Fashion: A Photographic Survey. New York: Dover Publications

  3. Doherty, Muriel Knox. 1996. The Life and times of Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney, Australia. Sydney: New South Wales College of Nursing

  4. Pennington, T. H. 1995. “Listerism, Its Decline and Its Persistence: The Introduction of Aseptic Surgical Techniques in Three British Teaching Hospitals, 1890–1899.” Medical History 39 (01): 35–60.

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u/hughk Oct 08 '19

Thanks again for a very thorough reply. You have confirmed what I supposed (which came from contemporaneous art rather than description). I was always surprised to see a working surgeon in a suit/cloak in the early 19th C but tradesmen from the same time dressed more appropriately for a dirty job.

Given all the other risk factors, it was good that patients had some belief in their surgeons, so it was better to look the part when there was no general anaesthetic.

This distinction between physician and surgeon amuses me today as in the UK, by tradition an MD drops the Dr when they become a qualified surgeon and this has been going on since 1830 or so.