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u/artyomatic 23d ago
As a european, I'm in support of stopping this.
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u/The_lazer101119 23d ago
As an American I am too
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
Then you're shortsighted. USAID opens the doors for commercial business. If you wanted to make a big impact on working class American lives, you'd keep it and tax the people who are getting rich off it.
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u/decepticons2 22d ago
Sort of what I was thinking. Okay US pumped Billions into UK, France, Germany, and Japan, how much money did they get back out though? How much money have those countries put into US hands?
Then take Vietnam and Korea. How much did Americans cost those countries by being involved in wars there? A entertain amount of responsibility/reparations should be expected there.
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
In the top cases, we secured forward operating military bases where we launched attacks in the middle east from, cheap access to ports to refuel our ships at.
Korea is similar to Japan in that we have a permanent military presence and free trade with countries that would have more likely been coaxed to the PRCs side in terms of IP protection and trade.
Viet nam is a cluster fuck. An embarrassment of US foreign policy. We would do well not to repeat that type of direct involvement, yet we did with Bush Sr and Jr in the middle east. We would do well to remember the Kent state massacre.
I won't defend every case of USAID. I'm just saying we can look at history and see what worked. Keep the good and get rid of the bad.
Edit: In Asia, a good example of the benefit of usaid is iphone sales. Without our direct contributions those markets would be closed to American manufactures where they couldn't compete with cheaper Chinese knockoffs.
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u/unlock0 22d ago
I’d like to hear more.
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
It was a big player in eradicating small pox and polio and in doing so, secured foreign investment and the taxpayer money for American companies and created American jobs to make and distribute the vaccines. During Reagan era, all the goods had to have American marketing, be from American companies. Which made people in Korea, viet nam, Afghanistan have new demand for American goods. More recently in south America, the aid was contingent on ip protections and market access(typically meaning America manufacturers received "fair treatment" when purchasing raw materials, no tariffs).
There's definitely cases where this program has been misused but to gut it completely is a shortsighted strategy.
China is doing the same thing through its belt and road initiative, by investing in African countries by building ports and roads they have access to new markets and forward military presence.
Taking away USAID is giving china more room to peddle influence abroad.
You used to be able to read how the money was spent each time, it was very transparent until the current administration decided to take the website down. Why are they erasing history?
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u/unlock0 22d ago
Belt and road is basically a loan shark scheme . Having leverage over critical infrastructure is much more effective than trying to buy parts and minds of a different culture.
I think you do have some good points though. I would like to see the total spend versus strategic spending on the points that you made. I’m not entirely sold on the IP argument though.
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
IPhone sales are huge in Korea and Japan. They couldn't compete without ip protection. We wouldn't have ip protection if it weren't for our direct contributions in rebuilding their countries.
I think we should be more effective with how we spend the money. But it's 1% of government spending and in most cases the money is first spent here on jobs and goods then shipped over.
If we wanted to balance the budget why can't we get these companies that literally print money to pay the same tax rate I do? Or get them to fund projects at home, like the robber barons era did, build schools and food kitchens. We are falling for a misdirection even arguing about usaid..
Edit: typo
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u/Nathansarcade1 22d ago edited 13d ago
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u/unlock0 22d ago
lol. My rebuttal would be the multiplicative effect of local spending through the economy instead of the inflationary effect of printing money and sending it elsewhere. There would be a low amount of recapture and an inflationary effect that has reduced the quality of life of all Americans.
Paying African warlords for their good graces doesn’t seem to be a cost effective endeavor.
I guess you could take it the angle that it is a cost of business for being a world reserve currency, and with that leverage we export a portion of our inflation. Not that it helps the average American.
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u/Fit_Fisherman_9840 $2 Steak Eater 22d ago
Its funny see people hitting random things without knowing how they work and why are there. More cutting is needed.
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u/No_Ratio_9556 22d ago
This chart is also out of date (2023). I kept looking for Ukraine only to see it on the bottom with $34bil.
The US has given over $180 Billion to Ukraine since 2022.
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u/kompetenzkompensator 22d ago
The US has given $114b altogether, of that $46b financial, $64b in mostly old material, rest humanitarian.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
$128b were committed and about the rest you can reaad here:
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine
The $182b everyone likes to talk about was "allocated".
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u/No_Ratio_9556 22d ago edited 22d ago
i don’t care if it was old material or humanitarian or what.
My point was that this chart is not only old but doesn’t include full figures even for the state of 2023.
Pulling from 3 departments is not going to show the full extent of international support the US is giving foreign countries who then turn around and talk about how much they hate us while happily taking our money
edit: downvote all you want it doesn’t change the fact that i am right
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u/Dannyboy765 22d ago
Of course you are. All your money went to Israel 🤣
FR, though, I think we can all collectively agree that Israel and some of the biggest recipients could do with a bit less money.
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u/TrickyTicket9400 23d ago
We subsidize Israel's public healthcare system while I paid $3k in 2023 for health insurance that I could not use. Got fucked over by one of the big companies. They gave me a ghost list of doctors and I could not get an appointment in order to get work done. I ended up having to pay out of pocket because I just couldn't yell at people on the phone anymore.
Freedom!
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u/Art_VandelHay 23d ago
well a lot of policies are made by a certain group who put other people into power who align with their beliefs. basically theyre making sure we dont have healthcare so they can, they dont care about america because theyre not american
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u/XMabbX 22d ago
To be fair even if you take the 200b given to Israel through all history you will not even pay for 3 months of healthcare costs.
Per google: U.S. health care spending grew 7.5 percent in 2023, reaching $4.9 trillion or $14,570 per person
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u/elev8dity 22d ago
It's because healthcare spending is incredibly corrupt and inefficient. Cut out the middlemen, and it would be way cheaper.
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u/Dangerous-Work-6433 22d ago
What would the USA be without Israel is the real question realistically
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u/Aggravating_Owl_1935 23d ago
America is just israel's pet
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u/Screech21 22d ago
Nope. The US use Israel as their proxy vs Iran and its terrorist organisations.
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u/GANTaylem 23d ago
Since when do pets pay their master?
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u/Aggravating_Owl_1935 23d ago
Sure, just keep being a cuck to israel, goyim
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u/fallout_creed Deep State Agent 23d ago
Why do you assume he likes israel when he just pointed out that you metaphor might not work
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u/Malisman 22d ago
You pay 3k because your retarded forefathers decide to privatize healthcare and health insurance and companies that deal with that have ZERO incentive not squeeze you for the last penny you have.
Even if US stopped every foreign aid program, withdrew from the world, and pushed everything into healthcare and insurance, situation would not improve. Those insurance and medical companies would just ramp up the price.
If you pay $100 now for some procedure or drug, and tomorrow Trump said everyone will receive 10k a month as insurance, the day after tomorrow companies would charge you 15k and whine that the cost of procedures unfortunately went up.
It is not a difficult concept. If you want free or affordable healthcare, you need to de-privatize it. Make state run hospital and default insurance company that cover everything. Stop with discounts and just make sure everyone has safety net provided by state. All the employees, everyone would be federal government worker and there would be no need for them to charge extra.
Private clinics and insurance companies would then provide extra care. Like solo room for childbirths, a special room with nice view, etc.
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u/elev8dity 22d ago
The best part is Universal Healthcare would cost Americans less than $2k a year per individual. You wouldn't have been denied care and would have been seen faster, like in every other developed nation. Even Cuba has better health outcomes than the U.S. For-profit insurance companies are a scam. We need to cut out the middlemen.
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u/FeelingExternal3373 23d ago
That's an American problem tbh, nothing to do with Israel. The companies and cooperation are ruining the country and u know it.
U think trump will fix it when he supoorts them? Doubt it sadly
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u/Accurate-End-5695 “So what you’re saying is…” 23d ago
Those numbers are nothing considering the timeframe and the percentage of spending this amounts to. I would argue that the United States benefitted heavily from all that aid. We are talking about a fraction of what we are adding to the deficit yearly now over the course of the better part of a century. To put it all in perspective: This administration spent $710B in just January, and another $603B in February, both up significantly from last year.
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u/ChampionshipKnown969 <Special Olympus> 22d ago
This administration spent $710B in just January, and another $603B in February, both up significantly from last year.
Any source that discloses where that money is being allocated towards? If a large bulk is going towards strengthening borders + deportations, then I just see it as an expense of the former administration if anything.
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u/Accurate-End-5695 “So what you’re saying is…” 22d ago
The treasury website is the best and most accurate source. And no, the bulk was not spent on the border, deportations, or past interest. The government has continued to spend just like it always has. Nothing new.
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u/Federal_Ad7369 22d ago
now that musk is inside there that source is becoming untrustful
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u/Accurate-End-5695 “So what you’re saying is…” 22d ago
We have no other source for the information other than the entity that is doing the spending. If numbers don't add up it will be obvious when all the department reports come out. If the spending keeps increasing I think even the biggest supporters of this administration are going to be scratching their heads.
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u/Federal_Ad7369 22d ago
I hope americans will have a good look on it. I hope Trumps administration is as bad as everOne fears its just not looking good for the world
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u/Loki_is_here_420 22d ago
well if you give me 1 billion dollars by your theory that will benefit you ... I can send you a link to cash app any time you want the benefits of giving me money
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u/LurkertoDerper 23d ago
Fuck anything from USAID, it's all horse shit.
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u/CASH_IS_SXVXGE 23d ago
Tbf, this isn't really much of USAID's work, especially in the beginning of the timeline, which was the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe and Japan after they were obliterated from the War.
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u/Background-Guard5030 23d ago
Yes and not having our own nukes was part of that agreement. We have to be dependent on the states because the states like it that way. Also it was a buffer to keep the commies away. So much context just forgotten all of a sudden.
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u/CASH_IS_SXVXGE 22d ago
Really the Marshall Plan was to rebuild the global economy so the world didn't plunge into another depression. The US having all the money after the war wouldn't have been good economically for both the US and the rest of the world. So they say.
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u/Neat_Passion8401 22d ago
The de-funding of USAID has already lead to deaths in Africa from the cessation of aids medication being distributed to people, many more people are going to die as a result.
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u/LurkertoDerper 22d ago
Why should that be a US problem and not a local African government problem?
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u/Neat_Passion8401 22d ago
Because a lot of these countries are very poor, unstable or rife with corruption, mostly due to the West meddling with the continent in the past.
USAID, alongside saving an untold amount of lives, also buys soft power around the globe, these people see that America is helping save lives in their country and this in turn gains them favor with people/governments to trade with or ally with in case of any global disputes.
Since i don't think the empathy route really matters to you, another positive of treating disease is to stop any future pandemics due to spread, remember when ebola was a big thing in the news? Luckily aid and medical treatment prevented it from growing into a more insidious global threat.
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u/LurkertoDerper 22d ago
Always the West fault, eih? Last I checked, Britian was the colonizer of Africa. Where is the assistance from them?
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u/Neat_Passion8401 22d ago
Britain does, but funnily enough they have just cut there international aid budget due to being forced to increase their defense spending, so even more dead Africans! Thank you trump!
Resource extraction by American private companies with government support, funding coups and militias during the cold war across African countries, Atlantic slave trade. At least acknowledge America has had a role in the hindrance of African prosperity.
America contributes the largest amount of aid because they're by far the richest country in the world which has benefited from being the Global police force and having their influence spread across the planet.
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u/LurkertoDerper 22d ago
Yeah - it's Trump's fault that Britain doesn't have the money to support itself.
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u/Neat_Passion8401 22d ago
It quite literally is his fault, his pivot from supporting Ukraine to sucking up to putin is a 180 which has forced allies to re-arm massively whilst Trump isn't cutting the US defense budget but instead, raising it.
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u/LurkertoDerper 22d ago
Why does Britain need the US? If it's that dependent on foreign aid, it's a failing country.
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u/Neat_Passion8401 21d ago
It doesn't receive any aid, it's because nato members have not had to beef up their military's for a long time as Due to US voluntarily having a huge army and therefore have allocated their budgets to other sectors.
The whipsaw of forcing NATO members to take on a much larger defense burden (during an active war on their borders) has meant the UK has had to cut foreign aid for military spending. Countries in Africa becoming more unstable will have negative consequences for the world later down the line.
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u/SomeSome92 23d ago
ITT:
People not realizing that having influence over other countries is what made the US the richest and most influential country in the world.
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u/AslanTX 23d ago
Something that Asmon always says that I agree with is that you’ll have a hard time justifying to Americans who are struggling to buy groceries that sending billions in overseas aid is beneficial for the USA. Meanwhile if you look around we are probably the most hated people in the world, we are constantly told by everyone that we are basically the devil & how we americans are horrible, yet the money that Americans earn through hard work is being sent to other countries instead of fixing our domestic problems. You’ll have a hard time selling how beneficial foreign aid is to the American people.
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u/Federal_Ad7369 22d ago
Yet in europe ppl understand how it's beneficial. Just like in China. Thats simply an education problem
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u/Potential-You-3564 23d ago
This is a bit disingenuous to divide people. The US can afford to do both but chooses not to
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
Then argue against specific cases, these blanket generalizations don't make good policy.
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
Then argue against specific cases, these blanket generalizations don't make good policy.
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u/Battle_Fish 23d ago
Depends on the country.
For example all the money thrown at Afghanistan is probably down the drain. Vietnam didn't end so well as well.
So you have to look at it from a case by case basis.
Honestly I don't even know what America gets from Israel but I guess they are like a stabilizing force in the region. They pull aggro for the US, but it's a lot of money for just that.
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u/Murky-Fruit3569 23d ago
Influence, fear, diplomacy, cant really be measured, and honestly the majority doesn't even know what the actual stakes under the table are. Maybe I'm giving too much credit, but I strongly believe that every single billion spent out of these, were part of a bigger scheme, that ended up successful. We can talk numbers all day, but in the end having power over anyone is priceless.
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u/DisgustingSandwich 22d ago
Afghanistan and Vietnam's expenses are war related though. Shouldn't have been in those countries to begin with
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u/Nezothowa IS DIS WAGNAWOS??? 22d ago
Israel and the U.S. has the same amount of Jews in it. Israel is “by proxy” US territory and they need it to hold a grip on Iran (or so they think).
There has been too much money going away there. Such a little country. It’s like they just take whatever amount they want for Israel. For the sake of defense.
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u/Peregrine_Falcon 23d ago
No.
What made us the richest country in the world is our economy. Sending money to other countries does not make us richer.
What makes us the most influential country in the world is the fact that our military is powerful enough to conquer the entire world and everyone knows it. Foreign aid is the carrot vs the stick of the military. But you can get just as much compliance from the stick, or threats to use it.
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u/DisgustingSandwich 22d ago
No.
Without Marshall plan you wouldn't have 300 million Europe buying your products. Its the same now in Ukraine, you don't give them money, you buy military tech from your OWN companies, replace your old junk (would've cost money to scrap) which you send in Ukraine. Marshall plan made half of the developed world your market, for your products. Same goes with other countries in this list which were not part of Marshall plan.
What made you influental country wasn't just your military, but the alliance you were in. 30 other countries backing you up, voting with you in UN, etc. All that soft power US made is gone though, all those billions spent are seemingly lost for no reason, Trump just burned it all and Russia won the cold war 30 years later.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
China never had a Marshall plan and yet Europe does trades more goods with china than it does with the US.
Everyone trades with everyone else but only one country is told that they have to shell out a fuck ton of foreign aid to do so. Sorry, I’m not buying it.
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u/DisgustingSandwich 22d ago
EU trading with China is relatively new. Remind me again who made China the industrial power house that is today?
EU dishes out tons of foreign aid to Africa, because poor nations aren't great customers, ain't nobody buying champagne or Volkswagens in sub saharan Africa. Kinda why EU is expanding and adding relatively poor nations like mine, we get funding and our economy improves, they get free market access and soft power.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
Well if everyone is up and trading with each other now, what is the point of the US continuing to shoulder most of the burden on policing the world for free trade? Everyone else can afford to chip in now. Americans want to be done with this.
Also, if Europe is wealthy enough to be doing its own foreign aid, then we don’t need to be subsidizing their defense. They’re literally giving money away.
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u/DisgustingSandwich 22d ago
You aren't subsidising our defense, stop paroting MAGA talking points. You are welcome to leave, you have been since 1945. Absolutely no one lying on the runway nor climbing US military planes in Europe, this isn't Afghanistan. If anything, we're your, or were your largest defense sector customer but thats gone, thanks to Trump.
Yes, no need to police the world and in fact we're kinda sick to be dragged in your endless conflicts across the world.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
Bro are you unaware of how many bases we have in Europe and the effect that it has on Russia? Do you not know that we comprise over 50% of NATO’s defense expenditures while nearly all of Europe continues to not meet their 2% targets 20 years after they were set?
And I agree. I’m over it. I want us to draw back defense spending to the 2% we ask of the rest of NATO and I want Europe to shoulder the burden of protecting trade in the eastern hemisphere. Until that happens, we are absolutely subsidizing Europe’s defense.
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u/DisgustingSandwich 22d ago
Im aware of the number of bases, and like I said US troops have been free to leave. They were in Europe because US would've rather contain their biggest adversary, the USSR in Europe. Your troops have been invited as part of a military alliance and US brought em, nobody is forcing US troops to remain in Europe, US ain't subsidizing EU defense nor Canada's economy with 300 billion trade deficit (Whatever the fuck Trump meant with that).
Draw back defense spending? Well considering NATO is done for and soon enough US will have to deal with China on its own, thats probably a bad call.
Either way, gl
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
If you don’t need us and we’re free to leave, why are we getting so much shit for trying to draw back? Why is the left so mad that we no longer want to play world police?
Also, if China is at war with the US, you can bet your ass Europe is too, with or without NATO. It’s your problem if NATO collapses, not ours. Your young people won’t fight for you. We already see it in recruiting numbers and polls. You have no defense industry. You have done nothing worthwhile in space so you rely on US satellites for intelligence. You have no capable air forces. I could go on.
The US drawing back to 2% still means that we could take on Russia and China combined. I am not worried, but you should be.
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u/Federal_Ad7369 22d ago
The EU is(not for long anymore) the US biggest arms customer. Countries are aldeady stopping US imports and contracts with the US Military complex and are building themselves or planning on buying in Europe. Theres no subsidizing. Im not even sure Trump knows the meaning of this word to be completely honest with you.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
I cannot express how much the average American does not care how many weapons we sell to Europe. Machines of war destroy value. They do not create it. It only helps our economy on paper.
Also, since when was Europe and the left so concerned about the health of the US Military Industrial Complex? I thought we all agreed that it’s best to not feed it, but I guess when Trump says he wants to stop it, it becomes absolutely necessary to protect it as the core of the American economy.
I’m sorry, but you can’t convince me that paying a bunch of money for shit we don’t need to protect a rich continent halfway across the earth is a good deal for me.
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u/Federal_Ad7369 22d ago
His point still Heavily stands. the US and europe traded for decades and even if your president will make you believe otherwise it was often enough to the benefit of the USA and not Europe. The USA wouldnt have been where ot is without the european market they dominated for long. Trading with china is very new and the moment chinese products get subsidized or too big the usa forces the eu to go along with their tariffs. This soft power decreased slowly with more trading with china.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
I think you’re leaving out a pretty big part of the story, which is why the Marshall plan was necessary - it was because you idiots blew each other up.
Regardless, the US became the world’s largest economy in 1871, so I deeply question how necessary it all was to get us to where we are today, which is the same place we were at 150 years ago.
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u/elev8dity 22d ago
The US has limits to its powers. That's why we are not antagonizing China and limiting our involvement in defending Ukraine from Russia's invasion.
We have a powerful military because our allies buy our weapons and host our naval, military, and air force bases around the world, and share their collective intelligence with us.
The US is using the stick with its allies, and the carrot with its enemies. It's a stupid strategy as it turns our allies away from us and gains no concessions from the enemies. It's failed before, and it will fail again.
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u/Capn_Chryssalid 23d ago
It is the reverse. The US has influence because it was the richest, during and after WW2. Wealth didn't flow from internationalism (initially anyway) rather internationalism was created by concentrated wealth in the US.
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u/Potential-You-3564 23d ago
Yeah it would be good to have a visualize that quantities the benefit over the same time period
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u/Opposite_Pianist_197 22d ago
also most of the money was spent on us companies providing goods and services to those countries. Mostly weapons.
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u/PhantomSpirit90 23d ago
Additionally that “America First” isolationism weakens America, doesn’t actually put America first, and restarts the cycle where we get dragged into some conflict or get outright attacked ourselves.
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u/ouiouisurmoi Dr Pepper Enjoyer 23d ago
Ahh, more reasons why "not spending $100s of billions on foreign wars actually hurts America."
Suddenly everyone's a warhawk. The red scare 2.0 is getting crazy.
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u/PhantomSpirit90 23d ago
It’s not about being a warhawk, it’s about recognizing what it means to be a global power. You pushing that poorly disguised “make America weaker” rhetoric isn’t helping.
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u/ouiouisurmoi Dr Pepper Enjoyer 23d ago
It's funny, the sides flipped and now dems want to keep glassing brown people.
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u/unhappy-ending 23d ago
Holy crap, factor in inflation and when you're talking billions during the 40's that's an astronomical amount.
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u/Diligent-Chance8044 23d ago
Rebuilding France and the UK costs a fuck ton of money. We spent roughly 2 trillion dollars in today's money on the UK and France from 1946 to 1960. Add in Germany and Italy anther trillion. Almost 10% of our national debt. Sounds like we need to be paid with interest.
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u/unhappy-ending 23d ago
It's funny because recently we had a bunch of eurotrash saying we need to pay back France in interest for the Revolutionary War.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
That aid comes out to about $3b in today’s money and it was officially cancelled after partial payment in exchange for the US dropping their grievances over French attacks on US ships during the quasi war.
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago edited 22d ago
We were. And on top of that they bought our military equipment, commercial planes and ships for the last 70 years. You could googled that..
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
We exchanged goods for money? What a great deal for us that totally makes up for two trillion dollars of free cash.
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
Those were a part of the Marshall plan not usaid, every historian agrees that was a monumental success in US foreign policy. So bold of you to revise history...
The Marshall plan guaranteed our right to free trade in Europe. Americans have benefited immensely and immediately from it. Any thought to the contrary is simply retarded and ignorant.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
Why do we have to pay for free trade in Europe and China does not? After all, Europe trades more goods with China than they do with the US.
In fact, Europe has its own foreign aid programs. Why are we subsidizing the defense of a continent that’s so rich it’s literally giving money away?
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
Because 70 years ago china was dirt poor and the in the middle of a revolution? Based on your remarks, there's no way you will understand without finishing your GED first. We are not and have not been subsidizing the defense of those European countries for a long time but still benefit immensely from the initial investment. The only reason boeing and Lockheed Martin and all the other major American manufacturers have a foothold there is the Marshall plan. Otherwise many of those war torn countries would have fallen to communist revolutions. You should have learned this in US history class.
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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker 22d ago
not subsidizing Europe
Then why did none of them feel the need to meet their NATO 2% until two years ago? Why are most of them still not meeting it?
I’m so tired of hearing about how much I benefit from Lockheed Martin selling bombs to Germany. Guess what, genius? No American gives a fuck how many war machines we sell. They don’t produce value. They destroy it.
It used to be that people like you wanted the US to stop being world police. Now that Trump wants to draw back, all you want is more world policing.
But I’m done making this argument to word-word-number accounts. Good luck with your psyops.
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u/NewTurnover5485 23d ago edited 23d ago
So, half the current yearly deficit, spent over 80 years.
Literally peanuts.
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u/Unusual_Rice8567 23d ago
This should be at the top. And then we should substract Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan since those were basically war expenses. Then you are left over with: Europe which is basically soft power Trump threw away. Egypt which is soft power in that region South Korean obviously same
Which makes it even more peanuts
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u/UnpaidSmallPenisMod 23d ago
So we should just keep sending money outside of the country because it’s peanuts? Doesn’t matter how much it is, would be better spent at home.
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
Yes, because it enables our companies to do business there, which brings in more wealth than we spend. Your thinking economics is rock, paper scissors, but it's more like chess. You need to plan many moves ahead.
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u/GoodHusband1000 23d ago
260 Billion for a country that is smaller than New York City wowwwwwwwww
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u/No_Pension_5065 22d ago
This is missing a LOT of foreign aid.
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u/No_Ratio_9556 22d ago
To be fair this is from 2023, but even then there are numbers that are wrong in that chart. Would be interested in exactly what listings they are pulling their data from from within DoD, State Dept, and USAID, as well as how they are determining foreign aid.
There is certainly more that is missing here.
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u/Malisman 22d ago
What retards do not understand is the other side of equation.
By doing this, US grew into superpower, projecting power and trading security. That made US desirable trading partner and gave US many concessions - other countries basically begged US to trade with them, to establish based on their territory, invite US companies to do business in those countries. Not to mention strengthening dollar, making it global reserve currency.
And that made US incredibly wealthy.
Why do you think China wants to mimic this by its "silk road initiative"? Hearts and minds man, hearts and minds.
As belters would say, the more you share the more your bowl is plentiful ;)
Stop being retards and learn how geopolitics and global economics and trade work!
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u/Milo_Fuckface 22d ago
Bruh they're counting the Vietnam war as aid.
Vietnam War: 1955 to 1975
cost estimation: $ 111 bn
amount spent for "foreign aid" in that time according to video: $ 134 bn
Bruh how is propaganda so funny and scary at the same time
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u/TheRamanMan 23d ago
Americans getting cucked since 1946
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u/kompetenzkompensator 22d ago
Now callculate how much money USA made by having the Dollar as de facto world currency.
While doing that also calculate how many billions were paid to US companies in goods and - always ignored - services by allied countries.
The world is tit-for-tat but you are only looking at the tits, pun intended.
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u/just_a_m0nk 23d ago
Americans building deep state world influence and 60/40 deals in US favour that making it world major traiding hub in long run. Isolation and trade tariff wars "definitly" will be better according to stock markets.
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23d ago
If that "soft power" was of so little value that it could all be lost within a month, it was never that valuable.
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u/AshlanderDunmer 22d ago
I guess the food you just ate was never valuable since you will feel hungry in 2-4 hours again, no?
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22d ago
Thats not really the right analogy though, its more like having a neighbor thats nice to you because you give him free food. But the moment you stop giving him food, he starts cursing you.
I bet youre going to regret all that food you handed out real quick.
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u/AshlanderDunmer 22d ago
The issue is that you cut that soft power tool while literally burning bridges with your best buddies. Friends that bled in the deserts with you at your request. USA was the only one to trigger article 5 and now it wants to throw everyone under the bus for some bullshit braindead reason that only works in a MAGA head.
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u/LiteratureFabulous36 23d ago
34b to Ukraine? Doesn't seem entirely correct.
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u/NewTurnover5485 23d ago
Because Ukraine didn't receive money. It received old military equipment.
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u/Battle_Fish 23d ago
Not all of it is old. A lot is current equipment. The US army still uses Bradleys and Abrams tanks.
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u/bjsc1100 23d ago
bradleys have been built since 1981 till today. abrams have been built since 1980 till today. guess which ones ukraine got?
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u/Adel7Max 23d ago
if count the inflation israel will have way bigger numbers and this didn't address the military equipment israel received.
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u/bf2afers 22d ago
How many of this countries has given us aid money since the 1950s, that would be a great comparison against this chart
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u/Dannyboy765 22d ago
It is so strange to me that we essentially never reduce aid to a country, regardless of any circumstances. You would think that when America started running a deficit at the start of the century we would at least look at some aid sources and decide to cut back on them. NOPE! Just keep spending and spending and spending and spending and spending. Until the end of time.
You wonder why so many Americans approve of DOGE
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u/carpenterio 22d ago
what does this bullshit even represent? lol what is this nonsense propaganda? US military aids is literally for boosting US defence companies, US economy is based on Defence, without that the US is just a corn producer...
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u/Nonsenser 22d ago
Most of these have great ROI for the US and are used as leverage in all sorts of negotiations. But I agree, stop this and remove yourself from the world stage. US is too unstable to have this much influence and interconnectedness with other countries. We don't want our economy to crash, just because yours does. Dump the dollar, move to euro or the yuan.
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u/renjizzle 22d ago
Not accounting for inflation and missing the other 300 billion to Ukraine conveniently
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u/Few-Consequence-8656 23d ago
You act as if the Americans did this out of pure goodness. America has always been the beneficiary of all these projects. It introduced the dollar in part and managed it well. Don't you see that? I admit that this probably hasn't been the case lately. But using this history now to rant against others is also very questionable.
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u/Slow_League_3186 23d ago
Israel must have some dirt on the US, no way in hell they need that much money
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u/Nezothowa IS DIS WAGNAWOS??? 22d ago
Sure. Have you heard of the Israeli lobbying. Looks like a lot of US lawmakers are affiliated to it.
Also, the US hosts the biggest chunk of Jews. About 8 million.
Lots of Jews have money. And money gives you power in the US.
I mean Netanyahu basically enrolled the US into their war against Hamas-Gaza.
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u/EnderEyesBlazin 23d ago
I thought this was world wide foreign aid and was waiting for America to shoot up
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u/Meatuspipus 23d ago
Damn where are all the Canada subsidies?
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u/No-Primary-6049 22d ago
They don't exist. Trump is lying to people telling them trade deficits are subsidies. Or he's that stupid. Who knows.. both are bad and all these young men losing their souls eating his cum is sad.
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u/PureSelfishFate 22d ago
Yes, but also most of the foreign aid in the middle east is done solely to protect Israel, so it's more like half a trillion, not including the wars which don't count as aid but are done to protect them.
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u/GeologistOutrageous6 22d ago
Foreign aid going to Afghanistan still in 2023, we all know who’s hands that’s landing in.
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u/D3ltaa88 22d ago
Yup, and all these countries just say F*% the USA…. Or at least a majority of them….. no more hand outs.
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u/Federal_Ad7369 22d ago
People thinking they get this money as a present lmao the US uses this for influence around the world to keep themselves as big as they are. This empire will now collapse under trump. It wouldve happend anyway. Just they way it is happening will cause more harm than necessary.
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u/Rangald2137 22d ago
Judging by how fast Vietnam graph was rising between 1955-1975, napalm barrels were counted in this calculation xD
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u/Fluid-Selection-5537 22d ago
I thought republicans hated welfare?!?
The IDF definitely on them sweet welfare checks
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u/AnarchoCapitalismFTW 22d ago
Huh, seems like USAID was never given to Finland which was wise as they were with nazis.
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u/Dwarf_in_a_Mine 22d ago
Crazy how much money started going to a certain country in the years following our last presidential assassination.
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u/Dogmatic_Warfarer97 22d ago
The aid in Greece post marshal plan from 2004 was money laundering i guarantee it 100000000%
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u/fastgunsforlife 22d ago
"Nooo this outrageous!!!! only 263 billion dollars in aid to Israel? SEND A TRILLION MORE TO ISRAEL. what? Our veterans are homeless? sure here's a 10 dollar Applebee's gift card that should be enough for the whole year." /S
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u/Gongchandang420 22d ago
I think it's very simple minded to think that US just gives money away for nothing in return. You guys forced so many countries not to have nukes so yes, it's kind of on you guys to help defend the world if you're going to put it in such a situation.
We gave how little to Japan? Now their economy benefits us greatly with gigantic US investment from them into building car factories, AI data centers etc.. and that's after nuking them personally.
Yes I'm sure more than half of this money is corrupted somehow somewhere, but I'm sorry, US giving some billions isn't really the reason why you are broke or why prices are high.
Trump and Biden both caused the inflation, they printed record numbers of money just so that drug addicted americans can smoke their crack(during covid)
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u/iLLbodyBenjies 23d ago
Yeah um so why the fuck do we give so much money to Israel? Lol
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u/SaintofKillers420 22d ago
Because there more than 3 billion people who would be happy with every Jew left dead. Most of those people are Israel’s neighbors.
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u/BumbleBiiTuna 22d ago
Good Israel deserves our aid since they're our only ally in the region. They're also a buffer between terrorist states and western civilization.
Without Israel all the terrorists would focus their efforts on us instead
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u/Nezothowa IS DIS WAGNAWOS??? 22d ago
Well without Israel it wouldn’t be a Western problem. So as long as Israel stands. There will never be peace. It’s not a new phenomenon.
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u/BumbleBiiTuna 22d ago
Without Israel there would have been more 9/11 happening.
Rather support a Jewish State with equal rights for everyone than a terrorist state like Palestine killing people for being gay
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u/Goatymcgoatface11 22d ago
Man, I knew we loved Israel but this feels like we're simping for an abusive egirl or something
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u/save_jeff2 23d ago
Where all the people that are yelling Europe are taking all our money. The US is spending everything in near east and Asia. What the hell did Israel do to get double of the second place??
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u/Diligent-Chance8044 23d ago
Israel is the only true ally we have in the middle east. It gives the US a place to have a military and some control over the oil industry in the region by military force and threat. It is all about the oil.
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u/bignattyguy 23d ago
We have plenty of oil on our own continent, and hold a great relationship with the royal Saudis. It’s no longer about us having the oil, it’s about who we stop from having access to it.
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u/JumpHour5621 23d ago
Could have easily taken over the Palestine area and brought Managed Democracy to the region instead of depending on an ally
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u/Adel7Max 23d ago
the Egypt and Jordan military aid is to keep fence guarding israel like they did from Iran missiles and drones counter attack on israel, os their aid is also aid for israel.
yeah keep sucking up for israel Asmon that will show the people who you are.
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u/SquishyShibe11 22d ago
Need aid to Israel to end, and need them to pay back every cent they have received thus far.
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u/chimaera_hots 22d ago
All that money stolen from American citizens and redistributed around the world.
Fucking disgraceful.
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u/-evert- 22d ago
I understand the wish to stop this, but please do some research into USAID and international aid before making judgements based on a single graph or the MAGA-cults messaging.
EVERY single western country takes part in these same aid programmes, most European countries actually committing more than the US per GDP. The US is not some outlier in this regard.
Now for sure there definitely is waste in these programmes, but there also is a lot of wonderful success stories from these programmes. For example one that has benefitted the US far more (also financially) than the initial investment was, is The Marshall Plan.
Again, as a friendly suggestion, please do some independent research into these topics before taking everything the cheeto and his billionaire oligarch pushes at face value. They do NOT have your interests in mind, only their own.
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u/Necessary_Sand_6428 23d ago
Ukraine pretty far down that list ay magats?
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u/FreshInvestment1 23d ago
It should be adjusted for inflation