r/Avengers • u/SupermarketNo6888 • 2d ago
Discussion What happened to Wanda from Earth 838?
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u/Wolv90 2d ago
She went back to life with her boys. As for the destruction of the Illuminati I had a theory that after the fight they got resurrected. Mordo was the sorcerer supreme at that time and would have had the Time stone, so he could have reversed time, chided Reed for giving up Black Bolts power and given a little "Told you so" speech before they cleaned up the wreckage and got back to work. They'd probably put some kind of mystical surveillance on their Wanda, but other than that nothing would be needed.
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u/zombie_platypus 2d ago
I dunno…Mordo doesn’t seem like one to mess with time.
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u/Ragnarsworld 2d ago
That universes' Mordo also doesn't strike me as a guy who really liked being on the Illuminati in the first place. From his attitude I think he'd like being the last one there.
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u/James-Cox007 2d ago
There is nothing to say that that Sorcerer Supreme ever had the the time stone!
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u/Conqui141 2d ago
Would there be a statute of limitations on that trick?
Like, if it's not done within a certain amount of time, then the deaths and events are permanent. The times that it was used in the MCU were immediately after someone's death. Mordo was left in the moat, who knows how long it took him to get out lol
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u/GiverOfTheKarma 2d ago
I don't see how a time limit imposed on the time stone makes any logical sense at all
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u/cheapseats91 2d ago
Sorry, the someone wiped the time stone's browser history, your friends get to stay dead
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u/Duo-lava 2d ago
whole HQ was in a time stone distortion the moment strange showed up. a lesson from that universes strange vs domimamau
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u/Remote_Ad_1737 2d ago
That would be so funny the discussion afterwards
I always imagined some counterparts formed a new Illuminati led by Invisible Woman
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u/HendrixInTheMaking 2d ago
Perhaps in 838 universe she was never experimented on with the mind stone? She didn’t seem to have any sorta powers
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u/Prize-Individual9430 2d ago
That is correct. 838 Wanda might not even realize she has powers. Depending on what happened in this universe, maybe that Starktech missile never hit her house as a child. Her powers lay dormant and she lives a normal life with her kids and husband. We also see the Ultron project was a success. So the Sokovia Accords never happen and Wanda obviously never blew up Lagos.
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u/HendrixInTheMaking 2d ago
Bingo. I also like to think that the hero’s in each universe don’t have to be the same actor. What if the scarlet witch was or is going to exist in the 838 universe but it’s not the Wanda we know? Kinda lame that strange was the same looking strange in 838, I would’ve been cool to see another type of person being Steven strange and probably more likely but noo we have the same Kang for example in every universe with slightly different hairstyles 🤣
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u/Prize-Individual9430 2d ago
I heard Johnathan Majors had it in his contract that no one else could play a Kang Variant.
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u/DangerZoneh 2d ago
I still think that people give Reed way too much shit for that.
Wanda had been dream walking for a WHILE. I’d be surprised if she didn’t already know who Black Bolt was and what he could do. And even if she didn’t, she just outclasses him.
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u/Miserable-Gain-4847 7h ago
Really? With how arrogant and up themselves they were? No if the Illuminati of 838 were ressurected the first thing they would have done is kill Wanda as a threat to them.
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u/Lost_Yogurt_4990 2d ago
She kinda looks like little like a Terminator here
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u/CloverTeamLeader 2d ago
The T-SW.
Mission: Retrieve Billy and Tommy at any cost.
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u/C4rdninj4 2d ago
"Come with me if you want to live."
"No! You're creepy and not our real mother!"
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u/MaterialPace8831 2d ago
The chase through the sewer reminded me of the moment when the Terminator is chasing Sarah and Kyle down the hallway after the truck explosion revealed the metal endoskeleton.
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u/SingleNorth3659 2d ago
It also reminds me of Nicole when she went over the limit in a Gumball episode
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u/BreastUsername 2d ago edited 2d ago
Probably the point. To make her seem like an unstoppable killing machine.
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u/Aerolithe_Lion 2d ago
She made it back to her house at the end of the movie, so presumably lives on as normal
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u/ra7ar 2d ago
Nah no way, she destroyed her avengers, she is gonna be hunted down, she will have to find proof she didn't do it and was possessed, I'm guessing her life is a wreck.
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u/Aerolithe_Lion 2d ago
To her benefit, none of the avengers survived to blame here, aside from Mordo who would be the most understanding/knowledgeable of what she was going through
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u/Mrhyderager 2d ago
Mordo has historically not been the most reasonable individual on the planet. It's assumed the only reason he was chill in that universe is because Strange and the Ancient One were dead, and he was Sorcerer Supreme.
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u/MoralityIsUPB 2d ago
Could also be reversed roles where strange turned out shit in that world so Mordor turned out good.
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u/Dribbler365 2d ago
Strange wasnt bad in that world though, if I remember correctly he went looking for more ways to defeat bigger evils and ended up colliding multiple worlds and death of millions by mistake, he wasnt evil , just a good guy that couldnt foresee the consequences of his actions
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u/MisterBlud 2d ago
“A good guy that couldn’t foresee the consequences of his actions” would also apply to almost every villain ever.
At least the great ones.
Strange killed millions of people and himself was executed for it. It’s perfectly fine and justified calling him a villain.
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u/Round_Employment4283 1d ago
Uh, didn't he kill TRILLIONS, with a T? He collapsed two entire universes, killing everyone in both. And there's no way he didn't know it was a bad idea. He definitely has good intentions, but I hesitate to say he was a "good guy" and more he was arrogant in ways that cost a lot of innocent lives. He killed more people than probably 10 different variants of Thanos combined.
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u/bigloser42 1d ago
How bad does Dr Strange have to be to make Sauron change his mind and align Mordor with the good side?
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u/Palopsicles 2d ago
I'm sure they have a Nick Fury of some sort. Plus Susan, Johnny, and Ben would be all over this. And when Original Wanda woke up from the possession, did she fly off using her new found powers back to her children? I was surprised that it happened so quickly like she KNEW exactly how to do it
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u/Pryo9-Lewok 2d ago
Didn't 838 Wanda always have powers?
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u/Kooky_Error_8802 1d ago
Yeah, she uses her magic to get back up to the door after 616 Wanda leaves her body and 838 is back in control
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u/bingbing304 1d ago
Earth 838 had camera and recoding devices in their universe LOL. Scalet Watch also just walked in the illuminati headquarter and left probably hundred destroyed robots and all six members dead. So it would be very obvious.
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u/Lucian_Flamestrike 1d ago
Mordu would more than likely reason if he kills Wanda in their universe then MCU-Wanda can’t dream walk her way back in.
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u/SilverKnightOfMagic 2d ago
who hunts down the person that killed the avengers?
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u/freerangemary 2d ago
Lucius Fox: “Let me get this straight, you think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante, who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands, and your plan is to blackmail this person?
Good luck.”
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u/ra7ar 2d ago
For one the rest of the Fantastic Four, two, The X-men...
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u/Sweaty-Pain5286 2d ago
you know Ben Grimm is PISSED
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u/XSurviveTheGameX 2d ago
Probably says a cool catch phrase like "It's clubbin time!".... nah, that ain't it... it'll come to me...
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u/SilverKnightOfMagic 2d ago
would they want to go risk more casualties? they could take her down possibly. dunno who they have in that universe
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u/ra7ar 2d ago
Seeing that they both lost their father figures i'm gonna say yes, and since i have read a lot of comics and they both have done stupid things because their father figures just went missing, i'm thinking yes, the two main questions are is Legion in an okay state and is he on good terms with his Daddy, and is Franklin born and old enough to want to find out what happened to his Daddy. Either way it's not like someone who killed the Avengers couldn't be taken out and not looked for.
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u/AndCthulhuMakes2 2d ago
Mordo: "Wanda, you have killed members of the Illuminati, and just as with the succession of the Sorcerer Supreme, she who has killed a member must take her place."
Wanda: "I can't become an Illuminati member."
Mordo: "That's correct. You have to become four illuminati members."
Wanda: "What happened to...."
Professor X wheels back in with a neck brace and Black Bolt's voice box.
Wanda: "But evil Wanda broke your neck?"
Xavier: "She did. The doctor says I'll never walk again."
All laugh into freeze frame. Credits.
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u/bingbing304 1d ago
Xaiver can just get better from death since Wanda broken his neck in astrial plane. While it is a major psychic damage would kill a normal person, that should not kill him because he is the most powerful telepath on earth.
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u/Tough_Block9334 2d ago
Pretty sure Doctor Doom is going to originate in that universe due to the Illuminati getting wrecked by the Scarlet Witch which will give Doctor Doom unrestricted power and I think they're going to bring back that version as the new scarlet witch
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u/pR4n4v_63 2d ago
The part about 838 Wanda returning as THE SCARLET WITCH isn't possible, because scarlet witch is a nexus being. You could say there are multiple Wanda out there but only the 616 ( was it 616 idk I meant to say our OG universe ) Wanda was the Scarlet Witch. It is mentioned in the Wandavision series if I'm right.
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u/Tough_Block9334 2d ago
Nexus beings are tied to their own universe, not the multiverse. If you look at Kang the Conqueror, who is also a Nexus Being, there are unlimited variants of him that could potentially be nexus beings.
This means there could also be multiple Scarlet Witches as nexus beings in different universes. We don't know who the nexus being is in 838, it could be Wanda for all we know....She displayed chaos magic or she inherited it from the 616 Wanda which could lead to her becoming the main "Wanda".
Not to mention there are mutants in that universe...making her more like her comic counterpart since she could be the daughter of magneto.
The multiverse is unlimited, which means there is unlimited probability that there could be anything in any universe.
I believe Marvel/Disney is going to do some stuff to try to get things back on track & be less confusing for movie goers.
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u/Secret_Block_8755 1d ago
I agree with the last two paragraphs
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u/ImWhatsInTheRedBox 11h ago
They'll do Secret Wars, then soft or semi reboot introducing mutants in the MCU, majorly stay away from multiverse stuff (and then Deadpool turns to the audience and says "I did that, you're welcome")
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u/Reinier_Reinier Avengers 1d ago
Or the writers could just do what they did with Billy (& Tommy), upon death Wanda could possess a body (thus gaining a new life).
Angry family, teammates, & friends of the dead Illuminati members might kill 838 Wanda before Mordo gets a chance to tell them she was possessed by 616 Wanda & isn't responsible for their deaths.
Then we could see 616 Wanda possess 838 Wanda's dead body at that time. (Not as a Dreamwalk, but as an actual possession). 616 Wanda (Scarlet Witch) walking around with 838s body.
We've seen in the Agatha All Along series that a spirit taking over a body doesn't need to happen instantaneously upon death (Tommy's soul being put into a new body (by Billy) three years after Tommys death).
So, there could be a passage of time since 616 Wanda's death at the end of Multiverse of Madness & her rebirth in a new body.
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u/Taste_Zaros 2d ago
She continued living a peaceful life with her boys? Dont think she'll be used for anything anymore and she didnt seem to want anything more.
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u/khryzz666 2d ago
Except for the fantastic 3, Medusa, Mordo and the Xmen that are now going to hunt her down
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u/Nobody_Retro 1d ago
I don't think they'd be the kind to just take out an innocent woman who was just mind controlled
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u/khryzz666 1d ago
Another universe. Grieving powerful people. Who knows. They might just arrest her and put her in their The Raft
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u/INKatana 2d ago edited 2d ago
If you think about it, she would most likely be locked up, if not worse. Yes, the horrors weren’t her fault, but considering how massive the Baxter building was, it’s safe to assume there's footage of her breaking and entering, absolutely destroying the good Ultrons (aka illuminati's security system), and killing the illuminati.
There's now concrete proof of just how powerful (and by extension dangerous) this woman is, and even in a world seemingly as "perfect" as the 838 one, I doubt the governments of the world would not just let her live her life peacefully.
Not to mention Mordo us now possibly the leader of the illuminati, and considering how hostile he was towards a Strange from a different universe that literally hadn’t done anything, I doubt he would show much more mercy towards a Wanda from his own universe, who actually did something big and horrible.
(Again, granted it was the Scarlet Witch pulling the strings, but Mordo didn’t seem to give a damn about the Scarlet Witch before, so I doubt he would care about that tiny little detail now either.)
But since this is disney, she's most likely living her life with her kids.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340 2d ago
I’m sure she had a debriefing with whatever avengers exist in 838. Maybe with Mordo? Didi he survive? I’m sure she must have had enormous guilt but also relief
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u/WeirdSysAdmin 2d ago
Last second 616 Wanda transferred her consciousness to 838 after saying fuck all this shit and then 838 Wanda died.
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u/StitchedSilver 2d ago
Did she have powers? I mean I know MCU Wanda possessed her and she had powers, but did 838 Wanda have the same or was she just used as a conduit and MCU channelled them through her?
Cause like MCU had a lot of practice with her powers, so I could see her overpowering a more inexperienced Scarlet Witch because she had other aspects of her life that didn’t include powers that she was focusing on
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u/MrsRojoCaliente 2d ago
She did have powers. There was supposed to be a scene involving Ian McKellen‘s Magneto that confirmed that he gave permission to Charles to telepathically lobotomize Wanda so that she could never become like the 616 Wanda. It was cut.
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u/StitchedSilver 2d ago
Really? I had absolutely no idea. That’s pretty interesting, thank you for explaining
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u/actionjeans 2d ago
No joke, I wondered this same thing. With all the Ultron looking robots wandering around, they likely have surveillance from The Illuminati HQ showing this woman enter the building and one by one kill off Earth’s greatest defenders then disappear. This would be all over the media, her face available for everyone to see. Sure, it was someone in her body but how do you explain that away in a way where, even if you convince everyone you were being possessed by a mad version of yourself from another universe, still doesn’t paint you as a threat? How do you convince the rest of the surviving heroes in that universe (which we know have some iteration of Fantastic Four, X-Men, Avengers, and Inhumans) that you are not a ticking timebomb, WMD, mother of two? You think 838 Wolverine would just let slide that she murdered Chuck? You think Invisible Woman or her reality altering son are just gonna say, “meh, it happens.” This poor woman’s life has been ruined forever.
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u/Western-Dig-6843 2d ago
? They know that wasn’t their Wanda killing them, though. Strange told them about the dream walking, they revealed to Strange they know all about the dream walking, and Mordo survived the attack on the Illuminati (Strange left him in that pit) so there’s a human witness to testify to the fact their Wanda is innocent.
Also why would the Illuminati release their security footage to the media?
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u/HyperDron 2d ago edited 2d ago
Literally! I feel like she might be hunted down, even if she was "possessed". To them, what is the guarantee she wont be possessed again? Not necessarily another Wanda's variant but by other beings?
838 Cap died (Carter)
838 Cap Marvel died
838 Reed Richards died
838 Charles Xavier died
838 Black Bolt died
Fantastic 4, Avengers, X Men, Inhumans would be hunting down their Wanda lol
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u/Psychedelic_Yogurt 2d ago
After being cleared by the New Illuminati and/or Avengers she probably went back to living her ideal life. Maybe that experience convinces her to practice her powers more to be able to better protect her boys but I don't see it going further than that.
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u/Steam_3ngenius 2d ago
She was immediately executed by whatever surviving Illuminati forces existed in her universe.
And they were right to do it, even if through no fault of her own, there's a chance she might wipe everyone out.
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u/MetalFearz 1d ago
Can not that be said about a dozen characters ? Banner and Stark never got into trouble for creating Ultron. Strange can end the world.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Sea8340 2d ago
I’m sure she had a debriefing with whatever avengers exist in 838. Maybe with Mordo? Didi he survive? I’m sure she must have had enormous guilt but also relief
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u/BITmixit 2d ago
I just realised they missed a good shout with not having Paul Bettany play his literal human counterpart (aka he is not Vision in this Universe, he is a human) from Wandavision who stands between the Scarlet Witch & Wanda. Aka she has to kill "Vision" again.
I mean I completely get why they went with what they went with but still...would have been a good shout and still could have led into the scene of the boys being terrified of her and further demonstrating to herself how far she's sunk/let the darkhold...take hold. That she's easily harm her love whilst he protects "their" boys to get what she wants whilst she struggled to destroy her love to "save" half the universe.
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u/CloverTeamLeader 2d ago
She realised her own potential for evil after being mind-controlled by her alternate self, and went on to become Earth 838's most selfless and heroic Avenger.
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u/Wiinterfang 2d ago
That Wanda also has powers, she flew back to her boys before the climax. She is beaten and smacked but otherwise ok
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u/Opinionsare 2d ago
The interesting case of Wanda Maximoff, Earth 838, after the Scarlet Witch, Earth 616, dream walks her body: Wanda demonstrates Witch powers two different times.
Apparently Wanda, Earth 838, was aware of everything that occurred while her body was being used by Wanda, Earth 616, including Magick.
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u/PastaFreak26 2d ago
Well... "proper" continuity suggests she'll be held accountable for Prime Earth Wanda's atrocities in her home world.
But the likelier response is she just goes back and lives the rest of her lives in her peace in 838, until some crazed, self-righteous, accountability-obssessed Marvel fans pressure an MCU writer to explore 838 Wanda's fate where Wanda's writing is concerned, and we might see the next step for the character.
Hint: Said self-righteous would probably wanna force a 1v1 showdown between 838 and Prime Earth Wanda to drive "character growth" for Prime Wanda.
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u/The_DoubIeDragon 2d ago edited 2d ago
She would have been immediately killed by the illuminate for being a risk for incursion due to the initial dream walk and/or for the potential of being the vessel of a dream walk again which would lead to even higher risk of incursion.
838 Strange was killed for the possibility of utilizing the dark hold again even though that would be fully under that Doctor Strange’s control who was horrified after realizing what using it caused and seemed like he would never do so again. 838 Wanda being dream walked through was beyond her control and so is her being dream walked through again in the future which means she can’t just choose to never be dream walked through again and it could happen at anytime which would be enough for the illuminate to justify themselves in killing her.
Wanda from 838 was beyond fucked due to the events of M.O.M. and neither Doctor Strange nor Wanda after she came to her senses cared at all to realize that.
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u/WestJury5243 2d ago
Depending on how open her crimes are to the public. I assumed the Illuminati was a secret organization, so the general public wouldn't know she's a murderer. The X-Men, Magneto, Avengers, FF, Inhumans would probably want to have have word with her, seeing she killed their leader/husband/father/friend and all, and some of them would be less than forgiving
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u/Fantastic-Repeat-324 1d ago
Maybe she got caught off guard by the Stark Missile (either immediately died or got unconscious and the missile blew up)
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u/unbasicnubcake 1d ago
What movie or series is this from? I'm not that far along in the series (I just started The Falcon and the Winter Soldier), but I need to know; I'm so lost
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u/Oceanus39 1d ago
Wasn’t there a comic like right after the end of Deadpool and Wolverine the it’s from a version of Spider Gwen at the TVA and Wanda is in containment
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u/77_parp_77 2d ago
Well if it's like other wandas she probably murdered lots of people, got away with it and went on with her life
Or got crushed by rubble, either or
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u/OblivionArts 2d ago
Presumably she was arrested after whatever security footage survived showed her attacking the Baxter building and killing the illuminati after they found the bodies
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u/Key_Cattle_5525 2d ago
I think the only reasonable thing to do now is say, that the entire Earth-838 got pruned by the TVA, as it clearly won't serve any purpose, or say that it got destroyed courtesy of an Incursion.
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u/filipkowski 2d ago
She manages a JoAnn's fabrics and is married to a nice man named Charles, but everybody calls him "Chuck." Probably has a dog?