r/BeAmazed • u/ReesesNightmare • 1d ago

Science Learned Helplessness

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u/Naughtynuzzler 19h ago

I mean that is just blatantly not accurate. It absolutely varies on a state-by-state basis.

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u/donorcycle 19h ago

Do you know where we rank globally in terms of education?

I'll wait...

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u/richarizard 19h ago

Ugh, this line of thinking always annoys me. Sorry. The US education system is in roughly the top fourth or so in the world. Not amazing, but not really that bad either. There are a few standardized tests that measure this. PISA is a big one: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pisa-scores-by-country#title

The US still has a lot to learn from higher performing countries. Singapore has regularly topped the list for many years. Japan, China, and South Korea (e.g.) also typically score high. But the US overall also performs quite well. Ahead of many countries that might surprise you: Sweden, France, Germany, and Norway to name a few.

As u/Naughtynuzzler pointed out, the US is also a large country, so it's useful to look at it state by state. Generally speaking, wealthier blue states outperform poorer red ones, but the full picture is more nuanced than that. NAEP is usually the go-to standardized test for this question: https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&chort=1&sub=MAT&sj=&st=MN&year=2024R3

I have zero faith in the nonsense currently happening (or not happening) in the current DoE, but the full US education system is much bigger than that. The full picture involves standards, teacher certifications, school accreditations, curriculum developers, and assessment structure, to scratch the surface. The US is not generally a world leader in this, but it is by no means an "absolute joke." Many countries don't even have compulsory K-12 education, let alone anything close to the Pre-K and post-secondary educational institutions that the US has.

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u/ghetto_dave 17h ago

Florida and Texas on the good list for 4th grade reading in 2024! Did not expect those states to be standouts. Great to see it though! All the other southern states need to do some catching up. Weer skrewin up da kidz.