We're not gonna take it!

[u/merdekabaik]

Will this be the new theme song for PP Rallies?

[u/HourlyTechnician]

Just remember, many people who might not be overly political or care enough to go to a rally are still going to vote L because conservatives are bad and PP is also Trump, or some other nonsense reason.

[u/CadMan7873 → u/HourlyTechnician]

Or because they are welfare communists

Edit: 50% of gdp comes from gov, at par with Soviet Union. 20-25% of country is a government employee. The “cattle” tax payers all work for government starting around 150k CAD (100k USD equivalent)

[u/zultan_chivay → u/CadMan7873]

Remind the people, over the last 10 years we went from equal gdp per capita with the US and equal cost of housing to 1/2 the GDP per capita and 2x the average housing cost. If they think carny is any different, I'd say yes he is worse than JT. It's was Carny's idea to freeze bank accounts. If JT was the globalist progressive poster boy, Carny is the globalist progressive embodied!

[u/Left_Step → u/CadMan7873]

Do you know the meme that trump supporters like to use when they say something like “this is why Trump won”? Conservatives calling their political opponents names like “welfare communist” is a symptom of why the CPC is losing this election.

[u/InterestingWarning62 → u/Left_Step]

You have to be joking. Liberal playbook is to call everyone on the right Nazi, fascist, racist, anti..., whatever isn't. I'm Blk and I've been called everyone of those names by the intolerant left. You folks call Jews Nazis. Get real.

[u/Left_Step → u/InterestingWarning62]

I’ve never done any of those things and I am not a Liberal. I see someone calling poor people names and I am telling you, that…anger? Contempt? Will drive people away. Has being called names ever won you over? Of course not.

The behaviours of the CPC and their supporters are why they are losing. Reality is showing that most Canadians hate this. Another lost election and another lost opportunity for.a conservative government can be blamed on this moral or behavioural failing.

[u/InterestingWarning62 → u/Left_Step]

You're still left. I don't see CPC spray painting buildings or yelling at ppl who don't agree with them. It's the radical liberal lunatics.

[u/Left_Step → u/InterestingWarning62]

There’s a few things here. Conservatives in Canada absolutely do commit vandalism or yell at people they don’t agree with. While campaigning for parties you may not like, I’ve had conservatives shout at me, threaten me with weapons, and spit on me. What you have seen on the internet, I have seen in real life. And even still, I choose not to treat people that way.

After all of this, you’re still doing the exact same thing as the guy I replied to. You’re just calling people names. This will never increase the chances of the government you want to see coming to exist. It turns people off and only confirms what they think about you.

Lastly, the liberals are not extremists. From your perspective, I hold extreme left wing views. The liberals are too far right wing for my tastes, especially Carney who is basically a conservative of 10 years ago. If you’re labelling the centrist party as crazy left wingers, other voters are forced to wonder how far right wing you are and will assume you are an extremist. Are you?

[u/InterestingWarning62 → u/Left_Step]

Did you miss the part where I said I'm black. You seem to have a stereotype of who conservatives are. I have many black/brown friends who are conservative and have had to endure racist attacks from those on the left. Leftists have no filter as to who they attack. Starting with Trudeau attacking Leslyn Lewis. I'm sorry but I do see the left ideology as lunacy. Many ppl in Canada are tired of it regardless of race. So am I extremist. Only extremely informed. You sound very condescending.

[u/Left_Step → u/InterestingWarning62]

I am not sure how you can simultaneously routinely defend attacking people, slinging insults, and adopting very hostile politics and simultaneously call someone else condescending. I’ll ask you this: what do you think left wing ideology is?

I am not trying to gotcha you, I just want to have a clear and frank discussion here. Because as it stands, you don’t seem to really be engaging with the point that I am trying to make: conservative supporters use insults very frequently and are currently being destroyed in the polls. I argue that the behaviour of conservative politicians and supporters is the cause for this collapse. I would love to hear your thoughts on that without deflecting onto what other groups do.

[u/InterestingWarning62 → u/Left_Step]

The left wing ideology is bully everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Why did this Carney supporter attack this woman.

https://x.com/BeautifulCana1/status/1908384730178900318?t=iC85wtK9h1dRFV-8a6OVxg&s=19

[u/CadMan7873 → u/Left_Step]

Going to repeat what I said before. Before you give moralistic lessons don’t you guys call everyone who wants lower taxes and lower immigration nazis? I swore your leader said “teeeheee oppss we let in 5mm people too many” after 5 years of mass migration & people who raised infrastructure logistics concerns were called nazis. Shove your moralistic tales up your ass. Liberals are the most value-less pieces people in world and will mold to whatever is trendy to remain in power.

50% of our gdp is gov spend, would put the soviets to shame. We are teetering on a communist country. I have friends that immigrated here from Russia and say the same thing. What do you call a country with state controlled media, ever increasing taxes to the point everyone essentially works for the state, disarms their citizens ?

[u/SavingsAppearance997 → u/CadMan7873]

Buddy you sound remarkably like a bot or an idiot. Really think you can provoke enough of a combination of hate and fear. Sell your conspiracy theories elsewhere. Our parties don’t need people like you who would use whatever lie is convenient.

[u/Left_Step → u/CadMan7873]

I am not who you seem to think I am. I am not a liberal voter, I live in Alberta, and I am a PAL holder. What I want is reasonable politics where we argue over policy and strategic decisions, not one where we are so mentally lacking that we resort to just calling people names. If you think taxes should be lower and that immigration targets should be reduced, you aren’t a Nazi, obviously. You might be if you want to round people up into camps, but I’ve seen no evidence of that.

This display of contempt and rejection of decency towards eachother is a sure fire way to produce a society where we are all constantly at each other’s throats. We can passionately disagree over politics without becoming shitty people, if only for the practical purpose of not making your political movement look like a collection of unreasonable and nasty people. If the conservatives blew a 20 point lead, they only have themselves to blame.

[u/CadMan7873 → u/Left_Step]

Consevatives haven’t lost material support look at polling lines it’s the NDP commies commies throwing in the towel and voting for captain capitalist aka carney

[u/Left_Step → u/CadMan7873]

Considering that Pierre Pollievre is projected to lose his own riding, I don’t think that’s the case.

[u/CadMan7873 → u/Left_Step]

https://338canada.com/35020e.htm

You’re spewing nonsense and you’re a wanker

[u/Left_Step → u/CadMan7873]

338 is a poll aggregator and does not do riding by riding polling. The people that do that in depth polling are the ones claiming he might lose his seat, not me.

And you’re making my point here again. Conservative supporters can’t help but sling insults. If you didn’t, your party might be winning right now, but they aren’t. If the cons want to ever take power again, they will need to change and bring some dignified behaviour back to their party. Every time you act this way, your party and your movement is weakened.

[u/MooseOnLooseGoose → u/CadMan7873]

Oh, smart, only twice. If you said commies 3 times, they would have entered through your bedroom and became undocumented workers.

Dudes point is valid, shit like you scares people away from the cpc and campaigners literally have to tell voters that you're full of shit to get them to consider a PP vote.

[u/Crimpyeyes → u/CadMan7873]

You can be a conservative and still believe in welfare programs, our grandparents worked to have pensions, access to healthcare good infrastructure, doesn’t make them communist.

[u/CadMan7873 → u/Crimpyeyes]

50% of our gdp is gov spend, would put the soviets to shame. We are teetering on a communist country. I have friends that immigrated here from Russia and say the same thing. What do you call a country with state controlled media, ever increasing taxes to the point everyone essentially works for the state, disarms their citizens ?

[u/Crimpyeyes → u/CadMan7873]

Also the public sector is growing but to think to public sector means communist is also wrong, public sector employees are still stimulating private companies with their paycheques. Government contracts are given to private companies for infrastructure, industry’s like mining, forestry heck even fighting wildfire there are hundreds of companies in B.C. that are privatized

[u/Crimpyeyes → u/CadMan7873]

To compare us to Russia is insane, we rank higher in healthcare, higher in freedom, higher in happiness. We have one state sponsored media company, most other media’s have been bought by US companies.

[u/CadMan7873 → u/Crimpyeyes]

You haven’t been to a hospital lately!! Vote lib enjoy the decline

https://x.com/martyupnorth_2/status/1890518423039537259?s=46&t=Wxjxmyb9N6p9hb7-RdlZ7A

https://x.com/realalbanianpat/status/1906470353292996818?s=46&t=Wxjxmyb9N6p9hb7-RdlZ7A

[u/Crimpyeyes → u/CadMan7873]

I’m not saying the Libs have done a good job, but number 1 reason for bankruptcy in the states is medical bills, and I’ll be damned if our families need to pay 10’s of thousands of dollars to birth a child, or someone dies because their insurance doesn’t cover the medical expenses. We don’t deserve to be one injury away from bankruptcy.

[u/mrrastos → u/Crimpyeyes]

I'd rather have other options to choose from beside the public health care system. We are literally the only civilized nation on the planet that forces its citizens to use public health care and bans any other option. The Scandinavian countries have a blended system which works very well. The American system is not the only alternative.

[u/Crimpyeyes → u/mrrastos]

The core root of the problem is in establishing a healthy population in the first place, taking more proactive and preventative measures to make sure our healthcare doesn’t become overwhelmed, it can be good to have that competition, but I don’t trust they will implement it well if it’s the states that they are talking to on how to implement it. Their objective is profits, if we want to implement a competitive system that works for people then we should be talking to the Scandinavians about it. Not the Americans.

[u/mrrastos → u/Crimpyeyes]

Agreed. I especially agree with your first statement.

[u/CalmSet429 → u/CadMan7873]

If you don’t understand that corporations are the biggest “welfare communists” we have, you also won’t understand why people are distancing themselves from PP.

[u/CadMan7873 → u/CalmSet429]

You’re insane

[u/CalmSet429 → u/CadMan7873]

Uhm your counter argument ?

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/04/29/Canada-Addiction-Corporate-Bailouts/

[u/Ex-PFC_WintergreenV4 → u/HourlyTechnician]

Trump, wasn’t he the guy always on about crowd sizes?

[u/Training_Remote_9298 → u/Ex-PFC_WintergreenV4]

Definitely the polls could be wrong. But also definitely comparing crowd sizes is very trump

[u/igotacoolname46 → u/[deleted]]

Do you have any proof that PP is the minion of trump besides a wild conspiracy theory? Besides them both being conservative? And you know the USA and Canada are two different countries right? We have different issues here in Canada and therefore our conservatives are different from the republicans in the USA. What has PP done to specifically make you believe that he is supporting trump?

[u/Mission_Impact_5443 → u/igotacoolname46]

This guy has no clue, he’s just following the crowd of the same sheep who got this idea in their heads that conservatives = republicans, therefore PP = Trump. To them you’re with them or against them, there’s no silver lining in the middle. They’ll cherry pick things that Pierre says and then find something equivalent that trump said and use that as “hey look! Pierre said this, trump said this. They’re the same!” but in reality if you dig deeper you can probably find a liberal sounding like trump at one point or another.

[u/igotacoolname46 → u/Mission_Impact_5443]

Yah of course, I was genuinely interesting in hearing his rational as I am open to the possibility that I am wrong, but yah I really don’t know why people think conservatives and republicans who function in diffrent countries are the same thing, yes they are close to eachother on the political spectrum but many beliefs on issues and policies differ. Odds are trump and pp have atleast one thing in common because they are both right politicians but just trump says some stupid stuff from time to time dosent invalidate all his points, I mean he is the president for a reason.

[u/thisisnahamed]

Debates will change more things for sure. Until then Pierre should keep talking about policies.

[u/PoorAxelrod]

The Conservatives have won the popular vote in the last few elections. But winning isn’t about how many people you can pack into a room—it’s about how that support translates into individual ridings. I understand that many casual supporters see huge crowds and think, “This is incredible.” And yes, it's exciting, and it does reflect a level of national enthusiasm. But national support doesn’t always equal electoral success. It’s seat count that matters.

That’s why I’d be far more interested in what each party is hearing on the ground in key ridings. Local momentum, voter sentiment, and candidate strength are far more telling indicators of who’s actually positioned to win seats than any national poll or political rally.

[u/GeneralSerpent]

A rally is a measure of the base’s enthusiasm, the median swing voter is not attending rallies lmao.

[u/BobetteMielleuse]

The polls can't lie that much, there's a general trend, we can compare with Polymarket too. 3-4 points like with the American elections, ok, but here we have a complete crush. Very sadly.

[u/binthrdnthat]

Even the most enthusiastic voters only get one ballot.

[u/x64droidekka]

So happy to see this. Fake polls from biased news stations can eat shit.

[u/herefortheshow99]

Liberal voters aren't generally rally people. I think the polls are indicative.

[u/Sunshinehaiku]

This is ridiculous. Crowd size is not a legitimate measure of voter turnout or intent.

[u/No_Conflict_9546 → u/Sunshinehaiku]

It's not, but it is encouraging to see. Let ppl be encouraged! And obviously, everyone go vote!!!!!

[u/Vee70x7 → u/[deleted]]

I think you’re in the wrong group dude, of course majority in this group will vote for PP. we don’t need to add another 4 years of Liberal crap.

[u/that_guy_ontheweb → u/[deleted]]

lmao, go back to r/onguardforthee

[u/CanadianStoner1990 → u/[deleted]]

Well well well , you're a long way from home aren't ya boy .

[u/CanadianStoner1990 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah doesn't look like it pal , a quick look shows your very unwelcome here and even digging quite a hole for yourself LOL I suggest going back to your fellow Pidgeon speaking Frenchie subs .

[u/CanadianStoner1990 → u/[deleted]]

LMFAO so you're going to go comment on all my other comments now ? tell me you're a psycho without telling me , nothing is going to change the amount of people downvoting you here so keep coping pal thanks for the laughs.

[u/CanadianStoner1990 → u/[deleted]]

I digress, I'll let you continue your hole you're 1 braincell is working overtime clearly today.

[u/igotacoolname46 → u/[deleted]]

Hey Silky man, first I think you need to tone down your hostility, you don’t treat other human beings like that no matter what. Listen man, can you please tell us how electing a liberal government that has been control for the past 10 years help Canada and the average citizen? Their is mountains and mountains of evidence against them. PP has alreday said he has no intention of ever letting Canada become part of the USA, your just making a conspiracy theory about him, for only two possible reasons I can think of. A) your a liberal who just wants the liberal party to win again so you use an excuse you can find to de credit PP or B) Your not the sharpest tool in the shed. I really hope it’s A because then I could give you credit for being intelligent. I would also highly suggest you u research Carney more, he wrote a book about his beliefs basically called “Values”, he states that you, a average citizen are “morally corrupt, idiots, who waste their value, aka their money, and they need guidance from carney who is cut from finer cloth”. How can you accuse others of being cultists when this guy literally is writing this garbage. Carney is also a known globalist which please don’t tell me you are one to, globalist desire one government around the world, no borders, no traditions, no culture, they just want to be one big country, and that can’t work for obvious reasons.

[u/that_guy_ontheweb → u/[deleted]]

Dude, you are literally look like a total dumbass right now.

Read out what you just said. You told someone to stop believing in religion over a comment pointing out how you're likely brigading.

[u/Unhappy_Tea_4096 → u/[deleted]]

Oh yeah? If your planning on voting Carney stay home for the sake of Canada!

[u/OkEgg5302 → u/[deleted]]

Fake Canadian

[u/OkEgg5302 → u/[deleted]]

Wanting to silence opposition views sounds very fascist to me… oh wait YOU can’t be fascist because WE are supposed to be fascist! Oh the PERFECT liberal party would never actually be bad! I’m sorry King Carney your eminence, I will never step out of line again! You’re a joke u/SilkyTouchy

[u/SilkyTouchy → u/OkEgg5302]

Im not trying to silence you you can say whatever you it's just not an opinion worthy of being heard. But you really have to stop otherwise im calling my friends at the ccp ro deport you in el Salvador

[u/OkEgg5302 → u/SilkyTouchy]

So not everyone is worth being heard? Still fascist. Also you’re going to call your friends at the Chinese Communist Party, (CCP is China CPC is Canada) to deport me who has lived in Canada my whole life born to Canadian parents? This isn’t the USA buddy and Pierre isn’t trump, get a hold of yourself and consider how you just advocated for the thing trump is doing (deporting people arbitrarily). If you still have the shame to respond you better have a real argument.

[u/TheeDirtyToast → u/Sunshinehaiku]

Scared?

[u/Sunshinehaiku → u/TheeDirtyToast]

Just lamenting that this sub used to be for conservatives, not clowns.

[u/TheeDirtyToast → u/Sunshinehaiku]

Right I forgot that the money printing party is conservative now. How silly of me.

[u/Sunshinehaiku → u/TheeDirtyToast]

How has calling voters like me Liberals been working out?

[u/TheeDirtyToast → u/Sunshinehaiku]

What exactly are you Mr "Red Tory"?

You're the one who came here shitting on Pierre for drawing record numbers of Canadians to his rallies.

I never called you a liberal either, but hey as for how it's turning out I'll let you know in a couple weeks but I have a feeling Mr Davos will be headed back home to New York with his Brookfield buddies.

[u/Sunshinehaiku → u/TheeDirtyToast]

What exactly are you Mr "Red Tory"?

A conservative in Canada can easily answer this question, particularly at this moment where Red Toryism is in vogue.

[u/TheeDirtyToast → u/Sunshinehaiku]

If that is what the liberal party is trying to sell to Canadians then it's gonna be a no from me. That's ultra progressive pretending not to be IMO.

[u/Sunshinehaiku → u/TheeDirtyToast]

Are you willing to sacrifice the big tent party for your view?

[u/TheeDirtyToast → u/Sunshinehaiku]

I don't think the Conservative base is at risk of splitting, if that's what you're asking.

[u/analogsimulation → u/Sunshinehaiku]

half these dorks arent even canadian, i wouldnt give them another minute of your time.

[u/Levofloxacine]

Biden didn’t have huge crowds.

[u/resting16 → u/Levofloxacine]

It was during covid

[u/Levofloxacine → u/resting16]

And kamala also had big crowds…

[u/ShameSudden6275 → u/Levofloxacine]

I mean Kamala somehow spent 1 billion on that campaign and is currently 20 million in debt; where the hell that money went I don't know.

[u/Dismal_Interaction71]

Kamala's rallies were huge....

[u/Interesting-Mail-653 → u/Dismal_Interaction71]

Yeah she had big ticket entertainers/hollywood stars to pack the room. 🙄

Example

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2024/11/04/kamala-harris-concert-rallies-election-day/76052430007/

[u/glacierfresh2death → u/[deleted]]

He’s saying don’t get cocky and make sure to vote

[u/sunny-days-bs229]

Wonder what it cost them to bus that many people in.