They are becoming absolutely terrified of the citizens.

[u/russellmzauner]

Oregon is seeking the right legislation - we voted down cannabis legalization twice before we got something everyone liked. A bill failing "three times" when it was different each time is not failure, it is resiliency and determination and if it fails a fourth time, well, if that's what's needed to get good legislation hammered out and polished to a fine sheen, then that's what's needed.

Yeah. Work is needed. Actual people doing their actual jobs of supporting the other people instead of stuffing their pockets and seeing how far they can skeedaddle with their lucre.

When did people start entering politics just to be a scammer? When was that normalized?

And understanding what has and is happening will help us guide what happens in the future so we can then ignore it while we stroll on by working on normalizing instead a general shift in the thinking that management and governance is pork barrel graft game with sociopathic disregard for the general public health and welfare is NOT the actual plan but rather perform service and civic duty then maybe go home and have dinner instead of having to live in a constant state of paranoia and persecution fetish instilled by the culture of victimhood a good swath of the USA has adopted for whatever reasons.

Keep voting for intelligent things, or even submit some yourself! As long as the work is honestly put in there should be some reasonably acceptable results. If anything we can certainly outwork lazy politicians; rash assumption anywhere but Cascadia where our continued existence is proof of our fortitude and labors.

[u/hazelquarrier_couch]

We didn't vote for rcv last time because it didn't address the primaries. We only belong to a party because we want to vote in the primaries (and I know I can choose independent but that's not for me). If you don't address the primaries being controlled by the parties rcv is kind of pointless because it will always be a Democrat or republican who actually wins.

[u/romulusnr → u/hazelquarrier_couch]

That's not a thing. Partisan primaries simply choose who a party runs. It doesn't decide everyone who runs. Primaries being operated by the state is just the parties colluding to pass the complexity and cost of their group decisions onto the state coffers. There's no actual legal necessity for a primary at all.

People who want to run who do not want to be endorsed by parties can simply just run.

Heck, until 2020, the Democrats in Washington didn't even use a primary, just caucuses, which they have to run themselves. (It was held, because it's in law that it has to be, but its results were disregarded.)

The reason you are almost always going to get either a Republican or Democrat winning isn't because of primaries. It's because they have way more money (and loyalty) than anyone else. Support publicly financed elections.

[u/hazelquarrier_couch → u/romulusnr]

The parties are so powerful and well funded that no matter how many candidates run there will always be a Democrat or a republican as the winner. So I'm standing by my original statement.

[u/RedditIsFiction → u/hazelquarrier_couch]

Or, they win because people are afraid to vote off party because doing so under first past the post means the greater of two evils could win. Under RCV or STAR you can't "throwaway a vote" by voting off party. You'd just put [third party person] as your first choice, then the democrat as your second. No more risk of the greater of two evils winning and the result is a more realistic democratic compromise that represents the will of the people.

RCV would weaken the parties.