They just snatched another person last night.

[u/russellmzauner]

They just snatched another person last night.

A Turkish national here fully legally not just attending but *working* at Tufts, grabbed offsite, nobody knows where Rumeysa Ozturk is. There is footage of her being taken but no information from ICE on her whereabouts or any stops made along the way to where she might be right now.

This happened in Portland OR in 2020 when they were grabbing dozens of people off the streets except they took pictures of everyone's ID and fingerprinted them all before releasing them. Summer is coming and they've turned focus onto Oregon with at least two of the EO (mail in voting termination and natural resource exploitation); my fear is that they're going to use those lists in an attempt to sweep Portland.

Can more people file FOIA requests on the numbers of people they collected personal data on back in 2020 so they can be warned? At the least the total numbers of people they kidnapped, albeit temporary (just long enough to get their pictures, etc), can be made accessible to people who may be impacted as well as other uninformed people who might care about such things.

Any socially conscious lawyers reading this subreddit - it would be pretty cool to get some advice or maybe they can sort of wander off and quietly submit the document that I have no idea how to submit and even if I did I got no money and/or connections to fight the federal government.

[u/RogerianBrowsing → u/[deleted]]

Says who? Not the judicial system, legal experts, lawyers, constitutional law professors, etc..

Fox News brain rot? Sure, but their lawyers argue no reasonable person would believe what they say to be fact for a reason.

Sincerely, how would you even know they’re undocumented or here illegally if due process isn’t done? Ignoring/disregarding the constitution and due process for certain people means that there’s nothing stopping it from being done to other groups, part of the point of due process is making sure the correct people are accused.

[u/JuriPlz → u/RogerianBrowsing]

And wwwhhhheeere is the evidence backing you up?

[u/RogerianBrowsing → u/JuriPlz]

A. You’re the one who made an extraordinary claim by claiming that the constitution doesn’t apply to everyone within the jurisdiction of the United States despite the wording of the constitution being clear. If anyone needs to provide a citation for the claims made it’s you.

B. The aforementioned experts have already said what I called attention to.

If you want to believe the word of a conman grifter and their cult of sycophants that’s your call to make, but just realize that the rest of us see right through it.

[u/JuriPlz → u/RogerianBrowsing]

If you're not a citizen you don't get the same rights as citizens and rights of our own citizens can be limited. How is this such a difficult concept to grasp? If you're here illegally you are a criminal and will be sent back. Most countries do this in the western world.

[u/RogerianBrowsing → u/JuriPlz]

A. They don’t get the exact same rights as citizens but they still have rights afforded to them by the constitution that apply to any person within the jurisdiction of the U.S., including the right of due process.

B. Being in the country without the proper documentation is rarely a crime. It’s typically equivalent to a disorderly persons civil violation. It doesn’t matter if you call them illegal, it doesn’t have any real legal meaning. Surely you don’t think jaywalkers should be sent to foreign torture gulag prisons without even having a court hearing… right?

C. To reiterate: HOW DO YOU KNOW THEYRE CITIZENS OR NOT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS? HOW DO YOU KNOW THEYRE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY OR NOT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS?

I truly cannot stand the constitution/rights hating jingoism, especially when it’s combined with condescending prideful ignorance.

[u/Extra-Pizza-2657 → u/JuriPlz]

Actually, illegally entering the country is a civil offense. That means it about as illegal as a parking ticket. You’re not a criminal for civil offenses like a ticket. It’s the same case for entering the country without proper paperwork. Some people literally don’t have the papers necessary cause they are fleeing from persecution or a litany of other reasons like fires etc. due process is the ONLY real way to understand what offenses these people have made against America, simply crossing the border does not make you a felon or a criminal…

[u/nikdahl → u/JuriPlz]

If someone is bound by the laws of the United States, then they are privy to the protections of the constitution.

That’s how it works.

Any visitor or immigrant is entitled to all constitutional rights that a citizen would have. Only ambassadors and other visitors that are not under the jurisdiction of US law are also not entitled to the protections.