r/Cascadia • u/Gwarsss Oregon • 6d ago

Martial law

If martial law is declared on 4/20 (also hitlers birthday) we need to make sure we prep. I saw a good post about that. But incase this happens I think we should email our governors, senators, and congressmen/congresswomen to declare independence from the 50 states and join Canada or stay as our own nation. All of Cascadia, and maybe some other blue states also. But we need out states to stand strong if this does happen, please email the governors of Washington, Oregon, and California asking if martial law is declared to declare independence and get in contact with other governors about this subject. Cascadia we need to stand strong, email your governor.

Check comments for the link to the preparations. And if your worrying about it being unconstitutional to declare independence, martial law will most likely be also and you could make a case for this being a overturning of the government by the people for taking away unalienable rights.

Before you hate read the linked post please… it’s also a rumor.

And no this does not mean I believe it.

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u/AdvancedInstruction 6d ago

I saw a good post about that.

No you didn't, you saw a copypasta of a speculative rant with zero sources that played to your fears and fed into your monkey brain fight-or-flight response.

You are not immune to disinformation. That post was a prime example of it. The US simply doesn't have the state capacity to declare martial law and cancel elections.

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u/RandomOnion04 5d ago

I'm not feeding into the frenzy here or saying the 4/20 thing is likely or legitimate. Though it wouldn't likely surprise any of us.

But from an academic standing: you don't need to have flanks of boots in the streets to declare martial law and you don't have to have any forces whatsoever to suspend elections.

A declaration of martial law doesn't mean we become a militant state, it means the military can be used inside the nation and that the military leader is in control.

That they could suspend civil liberties doesn't mean they have to, and that they could outlaw assembling doesn't mean they necessarily go break up every protest. You only really need enough forces to stronghold DC and intimidate Congress out of operation.

Suspension of voting is even easier because there is no force who defends voting, it's 100% procedural. You can cancel elections by just denying congressional certification.

Strategic and tactical know-how are not something the current administration has shown any aptitude for, so don't rush to assume they'd do martial law correctly, either. They could conceivably get everything they want out of it with a couple dozen squads of loyalists.

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u/bokan 5d ago

It’s not productive to spread complacency. Trump could for example declare martial law and task right wing militias to help enforce it. I agree that the 4/20 rumors could be conspiracy, but it’s very possible that it’s not.

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u/AdvancedInstruction 5d ago

It’s not productive to spread complacency.

It's even less productive to spread lies and hysteria over literal misinformation.

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u/bokan 5d ago

What do you feel is a productive response to this situation?

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u/AdvancedInstruction 5d ago

Focus on things that are real, like his suspending of investigations against corrupt allies.

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u/bokan 5d ago

How do you feel about ICE detaining deporting green card holders without due process because they spoke publicly on certain topics that the administration has decided are not allowed?

To me that’s a stone’s throw from martial law. They are definitely boiling the frog in that direction.

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u/AdvancedInstruction 5d ago

Oh it's terrible what they're doing, but it requires far less state capacity than martial law. Martial law requires far more capacity than they're capable of