r/Cascadia • u/Gwarsss Oregon • 6d ago

Martial law

If martial law is declared on 4/20 (also hitlers birthday) we need to make sure we prep. I saw a good post about that. But incase this happens I think we should email our governors, senators, and congressmen/congresswomen to declare independence from the 50 states and join Canada or stay as our own nation. All of Cascadia, and maybe some other blue states also. But we need out states to stand strong if this does happen, please email the governors of Washington, Oregon, and California asking if martial law is declared to declare independence and get in contact with other governors about this subject. Cascadia we need to stand strong, email your governor.

Check comments for the link to the preparations. And if your worrying about it being unconstitutional to declare independence, martial law will most likely be also and you could make a case for this being a overturning of the government by the people for taking away unalienable rights.

Before you hate read the linked post please… it’s also a rumor.

And no this does not mean I believe it.

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u/BitterDoGooder 6d ago

We cannot join canada. Do you want to put a nuclear target on Toronto? Moreover, we don't need to join canada. The West Coast would be the third largest economy on the planet just by itself. What does joining Canada get us? Not one thing.

But in all seriousness we need to get our governors and their staff to start planning an exit strategy. Today Trump announced he's going for a third term! He's already gutted the bill of rights, he's destroyed article 3 courts, what more do we need him to do to prove that he has killed the constitution. The only thing holding the states together is the Constitution and it is dead. We should be free to leave.

We will have to pay him off. We just all need to get okay with that. We need to sign a treaty that says the three west coast states are free to break away and affiliate in any way they want. And in exchange will pay him, and I do mean him personally, billions of dollars. Make him the richest person on the planet I do not care just let us go and let us do it without bloodshed. Trump won't be able to resist.

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u/AriaBlend 5d ago

We do not negotiate with terrorists. Stop pushing this idea of giving Trump the 6 time failed businessman more of our tax money, to "buy off" Cascadian sovereignty. That's like paying an extortionist. He has gotten enough already.

God you sound like a Russian troll almost for suggesting "playing nice" with that orange turd. He deserves nothing more from us than a swift kick in the rear!

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u/BitterDoGooder 4d ago edited 4d ago

Of course he deserves nothing more. I am not going to back off though because literally millions will die if we can't do this peacefully. The only way I can think of doing it peacefully is to bribe him. He is base enough to go for it, at least in theory. So in service of the millions who would die if we can't do this peacefully, I think we have to try. Could we please establish the ability to communicate differing ideas without demonizing each other? I recognize we disagree on this one thing but we are united on the idea that we don't want to be part of this dumpster fire of a country anymore.

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u/AriaBlend 4d ago

What I ultimately think, is I think Trump and his supporters deserve each other. Until you realize that they want what they voted for until they themselves rise up against him and take him down by removing their support or coming after him themselves, we who didn't vote for him will have to defend our peace by any means necessary, and honestly I think that extends to mercy on those who didn't vote for Trump but are currently trapped in red states.

Maybe I don't 100% believe the northern west coastcascadia region is feasibly going to divorce from the rest of the country. We already have a Spokane house member trying to open an investigation on our state AG in Washington for not allowing federal immigration officers to do their job as brutally as swift as they want. (Arresting and detaining people with no due process) There are bigger political and corporate forces committed to keeping the union together despite the man/men at the apparent helm wanting to run it into the ground.

But, that doesn't mean that protecting the peace of our political and bioregions should come at a huge monetary expense to us just because the tyrants in the white house believe they deserve penance from us plebians.

I guess I'll have to implore you to consider in your imagination and expand a bit to the possibility that some people would rather die or fight violently than enable Donald Trump and Elon Musk or and any other Christo-fascist billionaires more control and power through a taxpayer funded buy-off. It is a weak response to a bully. Bullies do not respect weakness. He doesn't have the concept of respect for the weak or the small in his brain. We have seen how trying to appease Hitler or Putin with a bit here and a bit there for temporary assurance of sovereignty always sours, because when a tyrant is committed to taking more and more land and power, no matter how much you try to bargain with him, sometimes using force is the only thing that convinces the tyrant of stopping. They are never satisfied. You can't buy out an unconvinceable tyrant that does not believe our region deserves our own freedom when both our natural resources and human capital are just another asset they see fit for the taking. Hoping he is just gonna have a sudden change of heart isn't a viable strategy. Donald Trump is a known rapist, and rapists generally aren't convinced nicely through words or money to not rape. They are ultimately stopped with force.

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u/BitterDoGooder 4d ago

I thoroughly enjoy your disparagement of Donald trump. I can't State forcefully enough how much I agree with you. He is a terrible human. I am on your side on every single thing you say, except you don't have the power to control who dies in a civil war. You might be willing to die, but are the elderly who are going to die violently along with you willing? Are the kids who aren't born yet willing to be starve to death? Maybe that is all going to be necessary. It's entirely possible that it is. If I had to die to fight trump, I would. All I'm asking is that we take a beat and think about other ways to do it.

The other thing, and I just want to introduce this into the conversation, is it the end of every war there are treaties. And usually the winner of a war requires some sort of monetary payment from the losers. Reparations. Money changes hands during/after a conflict. What I'm saying is we should think about getting to the money part first, but only if it allows us to avoid the conflict. I know fascists make pacts all the time that they don't intend to honor. Documented history there.

Another point, if you take this thought experiment down the road a bit, but if Donald Trump were to sell off the West Coast, if he pocketed the money that we were willing to pay him to let us go without violence, the rest of the country could get super mad at him about it, like revolution mad. That would be a win-win to me.

I think this discussion shows that every idea has big risks in the situation that we're in. Could we peacefully negotiate with him and pay him off? I don't know. I feel like we should try as I have said. As I've also said I recognize there's risks of pocket the money and then attack us anyway. If we can't avoid violence and there's a civil war, it could last decades. You and I could both be long dead by the time it's sorted out. As much as I would like to avoid that, I also recognize we won't have a choice if it comes to that.

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u/AriaBlend 4d ago

Thanks for considering my point. I will think about yours in the back of my mind too. I do agree that the vulnerable would have to be the first priority to get protection and ability to emigrate or seek asylum elsewhere before any mass violence comes to a head. Women, children, elderly, and disabled on the lifeboats of the Titanic first. I just wish that we use our fullest ability to rally those who are fighting fit and willing to use their ability to stop Trump's regime, before he has a chance to harm more of the vulnerable who never asked for any fight.

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u/BitterDoGooder 4d ago

I appreciate the conversation. Be well.