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How did we rationalize this before the recent reveal? š
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Did we just chalk it up to not fully understanding Fami/Death's powers? Cause in hindsight how does someone just casually bring back a devil that got fucking dismembered by probably the strongest weapon Asa could make šš
mate that is the biggest stretch since yoru gave birth to gun devil. No shot thats what it symbolises, especially since chainsaws are never even used as a tool to represent that in the story. By that logic, katana man is the abandonment devil
Firstly, theres nothing wrong with focussing on chainsaws, as his concept REASONABLY SHOULD CONNECT TO IT.
Secondly,
Ok, explain the armour. Explain the intestine scarf (and saying "well people who are abandoned might kill themselves and his scarf resembles a noose" is really iffy logic). Explain why he's chaotic, loud, and dangerous. Explain why he kills devils. Explain his multiple limbs. Explain why he sacrifices himself for others. Explain why he can't erase hybrids.
Thereās literally a topic Someone just posted the other day breaking down why abandonment makes more sense then birth, and Iām not going to waste time retyping everyoneās points.
We never see Pochita birth a devil. Itās such a stretch to say he represents birth. Go read through the topic and add your two cents in. People made great points.
Because all the things you listed have nothing to do with birth. How does having a baby erase anything?
Exactly, even the bat devil was able to regrow an arm after drinking blood. Yuko regenerating was easily chalked up to drinking blood from a powerful Horsegirl devil.
And Makima's bullshit was the same, we assumed she was just controlling other devils to pull off weird feats like teleporting via rats and crushing people from the shrine even though that wasn't her using her chains. Since Fami was using Justice, Eternity and Gully she probably could've just given Yuko a bigger portion of devil power to evolve into the giant form.
I still feel that in universe that shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter that the themes are sometimes connected, conquest and pestilence are two separate things and should have two separate devils like everything else.
Idk mate, it makes sense that - as devils are powered by fear - the different interpretations of them would affect their capabilities.Ā
If you see Obama, you could call him
the first black president
the 44th president of USA
the writer of a book
an alumni of Punahou School.
These are different titles, each with their own ideas associated with them. However, they all refer to the same person.
If one of the known 4 horseman is known at times as Pestilence, and other times as Conquest, but is interchangeable as the same position of the 4 horsemen...then yeah, it totally makes sense for the powers to be mingled.
...that being said, I still have no idea wtf she was doing at the shrine with people's names, or how that relates at all to Control/Conquest/Pestilence lol
I don't think so, since Tendo and Kurose were still alive there. And when fighting against the Gun Devil, she uses them to get a pact with the Punishment Devil.
I disagree. if it was the case that devils could exist for specific entities or people, then I could see a devil of the horseman specifically and see your case.
However, 1. people arent afraid of the horsemen, I dont think anybody actually cares about horsemen specifically they arent meant to be seen as actual characters in the bible even.
Its not stated that the death, famine, conquest, and war devils in universe are devils of the horsemen. They are devils of the that specific fear only, the rest is just a theme
Nowhere else (that I recall) do devils have multiple distinct themes with the justification being "some people get them confused in a piece of literature".
Yeah, I get thats what fujimoto was going for, and I like the theme, but I'm not gonna say its internally consistent with devils just because I like it.
Falling invokes both the literal fear of falling but also the metaphorical one, which is why it has providence over people who are severely depressed/suicidal since theyāve āfallenā into a depression. But I think that in a vacuum that falls into āmultiple themesā that is based on a semantic wordplay. That would be the closest example I can think of off the top of my head.
Chainsaw man is very esoteric in the way fear and concept come together. Whilst Pestilence may not have any bearing over control, the power is granted because humanity perceived them as one and the same.
Control over small things rising from mounds of rats. All aspects of control but with a note Pestilence showing the bleeding of the concept.
Chainsawman is also chock full of biblical reference.
Chainsawman Devils work on both beliefs for ability and fear for raw power.
But Obama is a human. Not a devil. Devils are born from the people's perception (fear to be specific) of them unlike humans who are born without any particular rNoason. If we apply devil logic to Obama, he'd only be considered as a president. Because that's how most of the people perceive him as.
Well, no. If you go back to the chapter, you see that she didn't just heal yuko like any other devil in the series she. She made yuko bigger and more powerful. So it was more than just giving her blood
Power eat some of pochita's flesh. They specifically say flesh. We've never seen or been told that blood can cause the kind of change yuko when though.We have however seen/been told that with devil flesh but I'm not sure that's what "fami" did. Guess we'll just have to see how this unfolds
Probably Punishment. She asked Tendo and Kurose to come with her while doing the ritual.
Plus, the ability to transfer death from prisoners to criminals while being performed in highest shrine (holy place associated with divinity) is pretty fitting ability for punishment devil.
Probably some unexpected devil, like the Weight Devil, Flat Devil, Squish Devil, Mud Devil, Foot Devil. Lotsa possibilities, and these are just the more obvious ones that might have some power related to crushing or flattening people into mush.Ā
The Stone devil could Medusa people, Fox devil literally just attacked with its own body parts, and Ghost devil just gave an extra invisible limb to use. You can see the connection between the power and the devil's name, but it isn't necessarily the most obvious ones. I'd guess you could imagine a hundred or so different Devils that might have some ability that would crush people, could be the Elephant Devil who stomps them flat with an invisible elephants foot.
That's not confirmed. It works as a theory, in that they were there so logically Makima could have been using their contracts, or maybe just directly controlled the Punishment Devil, but it's not something that's actually shown, nor have we seen the Punishment devil be used that way.Ā
Don't assume things that make a lot of sense if it happened, to actually mean it's confirmed. It's not possible to confirm anything using your own ideas when it's Fujimoto who's deciding what is and isn't true in this story.
Because the sentencing took place. The guilty inmate had their sentence/execution applied on the named guys. The effect of the sentence (death) still took place. They felt nothing and died on the spot
Some of the responses are suggesting devils, but I donāt think thatās the case. Every other time she uses another devilās powers besides her own, they appear levitating around her. Nothing of the sort was present during her shrine ritual at all. No floating devil, no implication that sheās using a devil power through Kurose or Tendo, no nothing. My guess would be that itās some kind of application for her telekinetic powers that she and other high tier devils possess, like Darkness and Falling. That would explain the lack of anything visible that would give another explanation
Yeah all the responses to you are just reminding me that Makima is bullshit. Last time anyone had her power set they became a major multiversal threat (Worm, see: Khepri, be aware of spoilers.)
Like, controlling other Devils is such a bullshit power. Iām surprised she didnāt get wanked more but honestly Chainsaw man probably has some kind of self-imposition of reality that prevents external reality warping from effecting him (note the recent chapter where he ate Mouth but could still throw things up.)
Yeah we know that devils eating parts of stronger devils can boost them too, that was established early in part 1 with a bunch of devils eating pieces of the Gun, so it wouldnāt be crazy that yuko eating a piece of famine would make her power level go crazy. Clearly it makes more sense that Death just has power over death, but we were given enough reasonable outs not to jump to that conclusion right away
Indeed. The most abnormal part STILL is hoe big she grew AND THEN SHRANK DOWN. Did death ACTUALLY feed her a bit of herself which made even yuko baloon that much??
Makima was the conquest devil and she was using all the powers she gets from the contracts she makes, so in my opinion it makes sense. On her own she isn't that powerful, as we saw from Nayuta.
I think people are getting a little too eager with these Death Devil foreshadows.
Katana man went through the Fox Devil's head, the ghost devil got it's head eaten by the snake devil and later spit out, Power came back from Makima's bang, the gun devil is famously in pieces and of course we have the hybrids like Denji and the others. We are still not sure what contracted people like Yuko and the CSM fakes actuality are and how they function.
Ultimately, the point is what can be survived is different from one character to another (unless they're fully human). Hell, even now, the real Fami can also survive worth her head cut off. So presumably, using her powers, she could have done the same or something similar to what DeeDee did to Yuko.
All of those cases are devils regenerating themselves, idk if we've seen another case of a devil being able to regenerate or bring another being back from death other than "Fami"
All of those cases are of Devil's surviving these levels injuries. Healing through blood is a very standard ability, which is very likely what DeeDee did here, which is something any other Devil, including real Fami, can probably do.
I dunno man, I was under the assumption that āAh, well she is definitely a Horesman class and this Yoruās sister, maybe she gave Yuko her blood of something and she went overdrive??ā
After she showed she has those Devil pawns, I figured she just made a spare Devil that wasnāt important sacrifice themself and fuse with Yuko to revive her as a Fiend or Hybrid.
Angel actually makes some sense because people sometimes mention seeing angels to take them to the afterlife when on the verge of death, and angels are capable of summoning items and weapons out of seemingly nothing in the Bible.
Power revived herself from blood traces inside Denji's body.
We know that if a Devil eats a piece of a stronger Devil they become more powerful. So if Fami was a strong Devil she could feed some blood to Yuko and giver her a "boost" to survive.
Nobody expected Death to bring back people from the dead. It's counter-intuitive. But also nobody would think like Fujimoto, thus we all become his victims.
It's just a stronger devil feeding a weaker devil with their own flesh, like how Power came back from a splat of blood by being fed Chainsaw man's flesh
Devils and hybrids recover pretty well with blood, and the horsemen characters all seem to have vague powers beyond their listed type. Like Makima could squash dudes from far away and shoot with her pointer finger.
Didn't the chapter come out like over 1 & 1/2 year ago, reading weekly/bi weekely with breaks, does make you forget about some stuff. I dunno about the people who binge read it.
I mean I always thought her powers didnt seem like it would be famine, I was very sus of her at first. But after Yoru "confirmed" her being famine. Plus her quirk of always eating. I was like ok some things still dont seem 100% but guess she really is famine.
Yuko absorbing life around her and becoming a bloodthirsty monster on revival?
That's not exactly what happened, but from the revival itself it was how I'd envisioned it. Fujimoto did a good job with the misdirection tbh, we had so little info I didn't think too hard about it
For me, "Fami' had a power similar to Suneater in MHA ; she is what she ate, she get the power of people she ate and for as long their nutrients/cells are in her body.
So i thought she "pucked" some devil cells or "lifeforce" so she could heal her. Like a white mage who raise you back and heal you asap.
"Why would Famine have this power tf? Did she feed her something? Oh yeah, since she is famine maybe her power can like feed peopleš„š«š§ š«š„!!! Oh yeah thats it!"
I mean we had a diminished Yoru save a dying Asa not that long ago. Didnāt seem that weird that a seemingly properly manifested horseman could one up it.
Also wow we really shouldn't have let our guard down about Fami being famine considering Fujimoto already had the csm church lie to their followers and said they had contracts with the justice devil when it was actually the fire devil. Fami is the one pulling the strings and if she lied about that and a bunch of other things, where would her deception reach? Apparently to her own identity too.
I can explain this. In biblical theory famines are commonly associated with beingg an act of God. Therefore, it would make sense that a devil of famine could perform a bastardized version of an act of God (like resurrection) wherein they powerup a dead devil.
To be honest it never made much sense in initial appearance and is why there was a sizable number of people who did think she was Death till the Aquarium chapter, at which point people just went "She probably had another ally do it"
From the moment she appeared it was widely speculated Fami had a hand in the whole Justice Devil thing. At the time a common theory was that she was claiming to be the Justice Devil herself. Another was that she was controlling the Justice Devil - Which turned out to be more or less true.
Either way, it was commonly assumed, and confirmed long before the new chapter, that she controlled the source of Yuko's power, so it wouldn't be seen as a stretch that she could just give Yuko more power. Devils don't die easily. The Chainsaw Zombies are also Fire Devil contractors and have already been proven to not die when killed.
I don't think this is something only the Death Devil could do.
Chainsaw Man erases concepts. Falling uses emotional falling. The Fire Devil grants people's desires. Devil powers and their interpretation of them can be stretched out. Makes sense in hindsight but only after getting an explanation. Controlling hunger can come in multiple ways.
What is that trope when āFamiā is leaning against the door frame and the way sheās walking in with a shrug? I swear Iāve seen it before just donāt know where
Oh, rather easily, actually. Easy, cause healing isn't beyond powerful Devils, especially since we know horsemen level devils have others working for them. It can easily be seen as combining a bunch of Devil contracts for the desired effect. Or it could have been feeding Yuko her Devil flesh. None of it is exclusive to Death Devil's power. It's just bog standard from what Devils are capable of. The glaze people do to try and justify this as foreshadowing is foolhardy.
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u/Dracsxd 2d ago
The cursed technique reversal of hunger being to fill one up and make them grow