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u/SovietCharrdian 6d ago
Me, from conservative to shitlib, to communist
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u/AnomalocarisFangirl 6d ago
Blessed, you healed comrade. This is precisely the reason we must be patient and constant with righties and should always aim to educate then rather than fight them, we don't know who will wake up. Our struggle is against the capitalist, not against the workers who have been alienated by them.
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u/No-Syllabub4449 5d ago
I’m on the right, but for the purposes of the working class. Pretty staunchly anti-statist. Feel free to have a go at converting me.
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u/AnomalocarisFangirl 5d ago
Let me just ask two questions
Why do you suppose you are on the right?
How do you think the right will free the workig class?
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u/No-Syllabub4449 5d ago edited 5d ago
For what it’s worth, I’m speaking strictly about the two parties in the US. I’m on the right because I think their ideas for how to run a state are based more in reality, whereas those on the left are based in idealism and ignoring of harsh realities (too much immigration is destabilizing and bad for the working class. Men are different from women. Nuclear families are the most important unit of observation. Etc.).
I don’t believe the right will free the working class. I don’t believe the left in this country is capable of that either. I’d go so far as to say I don’t think any state can free the working class at all, unless that state has control over the global reserve currency, which no state does. The best a state can do is to generally get out of people’s way and allow strong unions.
Edit: what is with the downvotes? Somebody asked me a question and I gave my honest opinion. Would you rather I answer untruthfully or just not answer at all??
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u/JoshsAstro 5d ago
bro believes literally everything he hears
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u/No-Syllabub4449 5d ago
Like what?
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u/Bademjoon 5d ago
You just listed a bunch of FOX News talking points/beliefs
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u/No-Syllabub4449 5d ago
FOX News absolutely does not talk about the core problem, which is that states have no power to free their people if they don’t control the global reserve currency. No mainstream media would dare talk about that.
Also, you think FOX News is pro-union??
What a lazy argument to make.
How about this. Pick a single point I made, and try and prove it wrong.
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u/AnomalocarisFangirl 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think you are like a MAGA "communist" and have fallen into serious propaganda and demagogy of the Republican party. Btw the Dem party is not even politically far apart from the Republican.
I think you have fallen into the discourse that MAGA is anti establishment or is trying to solve something, but in reality, just like the Dem, it just works for a set of plutocrats who are taking advantage of the global situation.
Question, do you think MAGA would allow for strong syndicates?
Question two, why do you think the left is against nuclear families?
Question three, let's see if migrants are objectively not the problem, if they fire you because they can pay less to a migrant, whose fault is it reall? The migrant? Or your boss?
Final question, if you voted red because it was the least worse for you, can we really say you are politically sympathetic of their ideology?
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u/No-Syllabub4449 4d ago
I would appreciate if you gave me more the benefit of the doubt and focused on my arguments, rather than assuming I’ve been hypnotized. From my perspective, I could say the same thing about you. But I don’t find that to be productive.
So, on to the questions.
1: I’m not sure what you mean by syndicates. If you mean unions, JD Vance is very very likely to be friendly to unions. All of his rhetoric is about the working class. This is where the traditional Republican party would have to break off or completely accept the rebrand of their party.
2: Many reasons. For one, welfare is often distributed more significantly to single mothers, which is a disincentive for two-parent households. The push for getting women into the workplace politically and culturally is damaging to the nuclear family that works better when one parent can stay home. The social politics of the left in this country are very anti-male and anti-family, in my opinion. We can get into that if you’d like, but it is too large to get into in this answer.
3: It is just an objective fact that migration increases the supply of labor. You can wag your finger at my boss all you want, but that will never change the fact that when you increase supply of something, the cost of that thing goes down.
4: I would not say that red was the least bad option. The most important thing right now is that there is an imminent shift in global monetary power, and red’s approach to this impending event is much better for the working people of this country. The Democrats were actively harming people’s ability to opt out of the crumbling financial system via decentralized digital currency.
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u/loverofhogggg 3d ago
do you know how hard it is to get welfare in the US and how little it does for people? you’re looking at welfare going to single mothers as an incentive and not a bandage to a much larger problem? how do you figure those mothers became single? statistically speaking a not insignificant portion had their partners thrown in jail for non violent drug offenses.
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u/loverofhogggg 3d ago
i think most commies will agree that the american left (im assuming you mean democrats) do a good job at ignoring the harsh realities of the working class, republicans, however, also ignore the problems of the working class but give them something to be angry at ie. blaming shitty job prospects on immigrants, blaming just about anything on trans people, etc. A distinction to be made here though is that both democrats and republicans are bourgeois parties with more in common to each other than to socialism or communism respectively. to address a couple of the talking points you brought up, immigration is not a problem and deportation is certainly not the solution. immigrants contribute more to the economy than they receive from it, they do not “steal american jobs” they take necessary jobs that natural born citizens don’t want. and even if (and i say even if because there isn’t sufficient evidence to support this claim) they do take jobs or suppress wages, the reason this can occur is because of lack of documentation and state/union protection from corporate greed. getting mad at immigrants for “being bad for the american working class” is misplaced anger, it pits 2 working class peoples against one another when the problem is their employer who leverages both against their common interests, fires whichever is more expensive, and exploits the one they don’t fire. this is a good example of how republicans (and fascists in general) personalize populist narratives towards a reactionary sentiment and can apply to most of your other talking points. not to mention the fact that the only reason most immigrants try to come to the US is likely because the former probably decimated their country at some point in some way that makes living on pittance wages here and working 15+ hour days seem more appealing.
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u/No-Syllabub4449 3d ago
I’m just going to address one point.
Immigration is net a bad thing for the working class. The capital class, bourgeoisie, whatever you want to call it, competes for labor among the working class, or those who have few assets.
Immigration increases the number of people in the working class and decreases the average amount of capital that the working class has. This makes it much easier for rentseekers to pay as little as they want for labor.
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u/kryptoid256_ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Listen here. We agree that the state won't lead the revolution at all. This is why the workers must lead it themselves. Nothing will be given on a silver plate, except maybe AI artworks.
Also we here see the nuclear family as another tool to exploit the working people, which is why republicans talk about it so much. Same for the idea that men and women are different. At best it's a distraction from our main problems. At worst it's a lie. Yes men and women are different but the difference comes from how the two demographics (I won't call them sexes anymore) have been treated and raised and expected to behave. Matt Walsh is not the first to ask "What is a woman?". Before him there was Simone de Beauvoir. She arrived at the opposite conclusion. A woman is not born a woman. She becomes a woman. Femininity is a social construct and always defined by masculinity as its polar opposite, in short. This difference is also easy to exploit in order to weaken solidarity among the working class
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u/No-Syllabub4449 2d ago
I have a response to this but I’m at my wage slave job. Once I get home I will give best thoughtful response to this.
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u/Wave1745 6d ago
And me, from monarchist to social democracy, to marxist.
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u/twelvej 6d ago
Monarchist is crazy bro, how you stumbled into that lmao
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u/Wave1745 6d ago
My country literally indoctrinated the kids to praise the king what do you expect.
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u/Raptar_ 6d ago
Fascist straight to dem soc to ML
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u/GuitarIsLife02 5d ago
I went from r/pcm (i know holy shit i wish i could shoot the younger me for that) thinking i was libertarian😭😭😭 to maybe the people saying this sub praises nazis too much are right, then reluctantly voted for dems kind of hippie phase ( again lol) cause i never have fucked with trump. Kind of realizing the dems are nothing but representation of maintaining the status quo. And becoming a communist. I think the refusal to stop the genocide was definitely a contributing factor to my turn to the left.
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u/Doc_Bethune 6d ago
Honestly a hard pill to swallow, feels like I wasted the first 32 years of my life lmao
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u/yotreeman 6d ago
Lol if it makes you feel better 99% of communists online aren’t doing shit with their lives anyway
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u/Gray-Main 5d ago
What do you expect them to do?
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u/yotreeman 5d ago
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I mean organize and shit possibly? Any sort of community organization or activism, you could say, helping people, idfk. But that said, I don’t “expect” anyone to do anything; I’m not even telling anyone they should be. I was just telling the person above that they shouldn’t feel bad or like they “wasted” their life.
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u/Gray-Main 5d ago
"99% of communists online aren’t doing shit with their lives anyway" what should they do? Are you referring to organising?
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u/yotreeman 5d ago
Buddy, what the fuck do you think I meant? This person said they felt bad and like they wasted their 30+ years of life before coming to understand Marxism. As enlightening as it can feel to undertake a materialist understanding of history, I was telling them that most other communists you meet online aren’t doing or changing anything profound in their lives and communities anyway, and that they shouldn’t feel like all those years were a “waste” in any sense of the word.
Feels like you’re coming after me, for reasons I am failing to ascertain.
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u/Cortaxii 6d ago
Glory to comrades Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin. For their work and their dedication of their entire lives for the liberation of mankind and OUR collective minds!
(Feel free to list honorable mentions in the comments)
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u/hornyforscout 6d ago
Agreed with all suggestions + Fidel Castro, Klara Zetkin. And from me personally, to all the dedicated Soviet workers, farmers, scientists, soldiers... glory to the Soviet man and glory to the Soviet woman!
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u/TheTrue_Self 6d ago
Bro this shit is so cringe they were theorists and revolutionaries not religious figures. All this “glory to” crap is weird idolatry. They aren’t to be worshipped and nobody is above critique.
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u/StalinsBigSpork 6d ago
Respecting and honoring our proletarian heroes is not cringe. We are giving them the glory they earned with their actions. Religious figures do not have actions, they get glory from just being religious figures. You are missing the forest for the trees.
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u/TheTrue_Self 6d ago
By your own argument we shouldn’t be worshipping them though, because the “glory” they’ve attained speaks for itself? I agree that the achievements of past experiments are worthy of praise and respect, but if you want to honour the communist vision go and organise. This kind of language isn’t achieving anything besides making us look like religious nutcases to everyone else and fuelling the anti communist fire. Of course I agree that there is greater precedent for us than a Christian, but who else will see it like that?
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u/justheretobehorny2 5d ago
Of course you are right comrade, but when everyone criticizes these figures all the time, it feels good to let it out, ya know?
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u/StalinsBigSpork 6d ago
You act like these are two mutually exclusive things and you cannot do both. This is simply not true. Your honestly just taking this way too seriously.
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u/TheTrue_Self 6d ago
Oh you’re right I definitely took this too seriously, but I still stand by my point.
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u/Former-Result-5615 5d ago
Idk, as an outsider who is open to the idea, that shit makes me feel uneasy. Kinda reminds me of a certain regime in charge of a certain western country rn and their followers. Do you all think all these names did no wrong or are you open to taking the good and condemning the bad?
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u/noneedtoID 3d ago
Anyone should be able to be criticized wether its stalin, Fidel, che, Mao to Marx himself and no one should feel about about doing so as long as its valid criticism and it can be backed up with actual facts, not just shit talking. We are all just human after all.
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u/Concert-Turbulent 6d ago
Gonna have to agree. It makes it no different than what's happening in the WH...
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u/Corrupt_Official 6d ago
Celebrating their bravery, dedication and contributions to our struggle is not worshipping.
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u/Friendly_Cantal0upe 6d ago
Just happy that I came to this realization early. Also sad that I came to this realisation so early
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u/Friendly_Cantal0upe 6d ago
Just happy that I came to this realization early. Also sad that I am now burdened with the horrors of said realization
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u/Zachbutastonernow 6d ago
The hardest part is the layers. You just never stop peeling back layers.
And it is frustrating when you talk to someone and they are on a previous layer than you but you have to give them credit for peeling them back.
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u/Odd_Seat_1379 6d ago
Good to know the Gulag Archipelago was all a lie 👍🏻
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u/gimme-that-torchship 6d ago
Indeed it was, personal anecdotes are not evidence, even the authors wife called him out on his bullshit.
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u/Old_Dragonfruit_ 2d ago
I'm a normie that has a general understanding of communism and the U.S propaganda model. What exactly does that mean? I know it's a book but is it insinuating that gulags were fiction, or at least heavily embellished? I'm pretty firm that communism is pretty cool, but the movement was overall spearheaded by brutes that imprisoned and killed political rivals for ideological purity, which I think is not pretty cool. I know I have a pretty rudimentary understanding of the history but that's how I understand it. Not judging just curious.
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u/TenWholeBees 6d ago
Good thing I started learning when I did.
Went from conservative to ancap and then did a 180⁰ to commie. (The transition took a few years and I went "apolitical" for a while)
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u/justheretobehorny2 3d ago
Ancap? I am always confused by that ideology, what actually is it?
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u/TenWholeBees 3d ago
Full unfettered capitalism with absolutely zero government.
They believe in something called the "non-aggression principal" or "NAP" which is a utopian idea where, essentially, every human just agrees not to be a bastard to one another.
Its for edgy people who dont understand capitalism nor anarchy.
Imagine American Libertarians, but more racist
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u/justheretobehorny2 3d ago
Wait... every human agrees not to be a bastard to each other, but they're racist?
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u/TenWholeBees 3d ago
The Ancap ideology is the same as any other right wing ideology in the sense of "this is a utopia [for MY people]"
When I was an AnCap, I'm willing to say maybe 85% of the people in my circles were borderline Nazis. A few actually were.
Ultimately nothing about it makes sense because capitalism, even with regulations, is still about exploitation.
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u/justheretobehorny2 3d ago
How did you get out of such a toxic ideology lol
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u/TenWholeBees 3d ago
It took a severe depression and almost a year of self isolation to end up losing connections with, what I assumed were, my friends. Then one of them hit me up saying he felt bad for not reaching out this whole time and invited me over for a "present." We talked for a while but it turns out he also left the AnCap spaces and wasn't sure about anything.
A few hours later, he gave me that present. It was LSD.
We tripped together and through the night we got onto the topic of politics. I caught myself regurgitating things that I didn't fully understand. Him and I ended up just talking about domestic and global issues for probably 8 hours and I had a revelation that maybe this capitalism thing isnt actually as good as I've been told and that I should probably actually read about things myself rather than listen to online friends and YouTubers, of whom are clearly biased.
The next day I went to a subreddit, I don't remember which, but it had to do with communism vs capitalism, as I just had questions. I already started my religious deconstruction, so I figured maybe I've been lied to by everyone I grew up around.
From there I ended up buying Das Kapital. I didn't really understand much, but what I did made a lot of sense. So then I decided to get the Communist Manifesto and that was really eye opening. From that came learning about history and things started to click for the next year or so.
Even now I'm still learning every day, but while I might not call myself a Communist, I sure am anti-capitalist.
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u/justheretobehorny2 2d ago
Oh wow, that sounds like a rough journey. For me, communist music introduce me to the ideology, and Second Thought took me from there. Second Thought used to make science videos way back when, and I actually watched those, so I already trusted him. Before I was a communist, I was very rightist, like far right but didn't realize the spectrum of left v right. I became rightist due to the BJP and Alternate Future of the World mapping videos, which subconsciously made me hate communism. Ironically in one of the videos they played the Tetris theme, and an Oddoneisout video about laser tag had a dog barking version of the Tetris theme in the beginning, then I found the original red army choir version, and also reddit, helped me become a commie.
If you don't mind me asking, what prompted you to isolate yourself from anarcho capitalism? And did your friend also become a commie?
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u/TenWholeBees 2d ago
I never fully realized how much leftist music I listened to until I actually started to understand politics and the climate of the world. I was definitely one of those "what machine do you think they were raging against" people.
I grew up in a Catholic Republic military household. I knew taxes were bad and that Communism is evil. It was pretty easy for me to get sucked into the alt right pipeline.
My isolation came with my depression. When I get those low lows, I just automatically self-isolate. It's a trauma response. So it wasnt that I isolated from the AnCaps, but from everyone I knew, just so happens that pretty much all of my friends were also AnCaps.
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u/Ok_Comparison3530 6d ago
"Henceforth, summer rays glows within me
The Sun of justice pierces one's soul" Vietnamese revolutionary poet Tố Hữu
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u/Vast-Carob9112 5d ago
If you are not liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you are not conservative when you mature, you have no brain.
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u/based_guy_1917 4d ago
Thank you for illustrating the consequences of decades of widespread lead use.
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u/Icy_Drive_7433 4d ago
Fuck knows where that puts people who repeat tired clichés, ad nauseam.
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u/Vast-Carob9112 4d ago
At the top of the food chain, thanks! BTW, your use of ad nauseam is inappropriate in the context of your post.
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u/Icy_Drive_7433 4d ago edited 4d ago
A billionaire! How wonderful for you! And no, it's not out of context, but thanks for noticing, albeit incorrectly.
I guess that's how you got to be so rich.
"Used to refer to the fact that something has been done or repeated so often that it has become annoying or tiresome".
You see, that, right there, is a great example of how terrible I am at Capitalism, because I should be charging me for this education.
I hope you're going to wear a suit and say "thank you".
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