r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Vegetable-Mousse4405 • 5d ago
Video China has officially entered the era of flying taxis. Two Chinese companies have obtained a commercial operation certificate for autonomous passenger drones from the CAAC.
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u/Different-Box-6853 5d ago
which companies?
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u/sneakerrepmafia 5d ago
Archer and JOBY are at the forefront of
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u/chAmp33n 5d ago
Archer and JOBY are at the forefront until Chinese companies copy and scale the tech like they did EV’s. Then, Archer and JOBY stock prices will plummet.
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u/straightdge 5d ago
Heard about eHang? The price of eHang is already a fraction of per unit cost of Joby. Not to mention there are others AutoFlight, Xpeng etc., US can't compete against Chinese supply chain.
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u/Krosis97 5d ago
You say it like its china's fault Tesla is plummeting and not the nazi man child it has as a CEO.
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u/BiasedLibrary 5d ago
I watched a video not so long ago about this and they really don't care about his fascist antics. But BYD electric vehicles are just 10x better for the chinese market. They're cheaper and they have more features. BYD vehicles can actually self-drive in China because it's adapted to their road networks, which Tesla just isn't. And the tariffs aren't helping Tesla gain any new customers abroad either. They would honestly have to sell their cars cheaper than BYD does to have any chance of competing, but they can't.
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u/Slothman_Allen 5d ago
Are these devices actually a viable service? I've seen some aviation people on Twitter shitting on them for ages that they have no use case and are basically garbage.
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u/lordmanatee 5d ago
These are just fancy helicopters. There is no mission they can do that a normal helicopter can't. I guess the selling point is they're pilotless but the idea of being inside one when an electrical problem occurs with nobody on board that can do anything about it is terrifying.
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u/PerfectCelery6677 5d ago edited 4d ago
Even if someone on board does know what to do depending on what happens, you're more than likely screwed. It's like trying to fix your car before it stops coasting.
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u/absolutely-possibly 5d ago
The bigger concern is the people on the ground. Even if you never fly in one, would you be okay with these operating above your home? Daily, hourly, every other minute?
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u/Vipu2 4d ago
Would you be okay to have cars operating near your house every few seconds and not knowing when some lunatic cant handle theirs?
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u/ItsTheSlime 4d ago
Unless I missed a new Tesla update, cars dont fall from the sky yet
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u/tbrumleve 5d ago
Go watch a helicopter pilot land using autorotation when the engine fails. It’s like letting the car coast to a stop. All that’s required is an engine design that has a freewheeling unit that disengages any time the engine rotational speed is less than the rotor rotational speed.
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u/CallingInThicc 4d ago
That's a great argument for the safety of helicopters.
Quadcopters cannot autorotate.
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u/Minirig355 4d ago
Yeah I’m pretty sure this guy missed the lowering the collective (blade pitch) part of autorotation, since quadcopters are fixed pitch it’s not possible.
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u/Pinksters 4d ago
Exactly. The whole point of autorotation is using the drag/intertia of the massive rotor to slow decent.
The comparatively light and short quad-rotor+quad propeller system would not achieve the same results.
The design in this example has opposing dual rotors so I imagine that would be even less likely to help.
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 5d ago
These seem smaller, agile and are less complex than actually helis
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u/MarkEsmiths 5d ago
Yeah but if a helicopter loses power you can auto rotate down. If these things lose power you are extra spicy fucked.
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u/ResortMain780 5d ago
Its much easier to build in redundancy in a multirotor with more than 6 motors. These seem to have 16.. You can lose several of those, and just keep on flying. You can probably land with just half of them and I bet they have at least two independent batteries for 2 sets of motors. On top of that, they usually have parachutes.
A regular helicopter has a long list of single points of failure. Its also much more complicated mechanically, and maintenance intensive.
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u/Unlikely-Answer 5d ago
not to mention LOUD AF
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u/ToviGrande 4d ago
From what I've read the loudness of a helicopter is due to the extremely high blade tip velocity. Because these are far smaller diameter rotors they are much quieter. The noise of one of these flying cars is meant to be around the same as a regular car.
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u/Pinksters 4d ago
the loudness of a helicopter is due to the extremely high blade tip velocity.
That and the pitch of the blades. The times you feel a deep thump in your chest from a heli is the most noticeable with a steep pitch.
These will be more of a really loud hum compared to a "whomp whomp whomp" of heli blades.
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u/cajun_vegeta 5d ago
Parachutes on the drone will be an add-on purchase. Like Uber-Lux
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u/skypatina 5d ago
This statement is probably very similar to statements made by horseriders back when the first cars came out.
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u/gellis12 Interested 5d ago
If the engine in your car craps out when you're driving, you coast for a bit, pull over to the side of the road, and you're safe. If the engine of your helicopter craps out while you're flying, you fall and die.
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u/absolutely-possibly 5d ago
A new one comes out every year.
We already have flying cars. They're called airplanes. They're complicated, take special training to operate, and easily beat by road vehicles in a vast amount of use cases.
Stop with this Jetson's utopia. It only exists in fantasy.
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u/WillSym 4d ago
I'm more concerned why the video has them mostly flying ominously in formation over coastlines...
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u/NDSU 4d ago
Current aviation is almost exclusively used for long-distance travel. They're trying to use aviation for short distances
They're complicated, take special training to operate, and easily beat by
road vehiclestrains/busses in a vast amount of use casesYou could easily say the same thing of cars compared to trains or busses. Quadcopter travel would be terrible for society as a whole. They're energy inefficient, more expensive than other forms of transportation, are incredibly loud, and more dangerous than even cars
All problems cars have compared to other forms of transportation. Problem is the downsides are largely externalized to everyone else, so rich people will absolutely go for them
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u/Killentyme55 4d ago
It's nothing more than Tankie fodder. They love this "see how China has surpassed the West in every single way!" nonsense. They lap it up joyfully with no intention of actually seeing it work IRL.
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u/alien4649 5d ago
Cool idea. Not so cool when you experience terminal impact due to a malfunction, bird strike, bad weather, etc. Will they be equipped with parachutes? You aren’t gliding down in an emergency. And what happens when a person with nefarious intentions takes control?
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u/bloodfartcollector 5d ago
And loud!, imagine them flying all over the place
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u/Roy4Pris 5d ago
This.
Everyone freaking out about being in one. What about the people who aren't? You'd have to have neighbourhood curfews. And what about the people on that tropical beach having their holiday ruined by dozens of these things buzzing around?
No thanks.
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u/Elegant-Raise-9367 5d ago
Honestly it's not much different risk than having a paint strip separating you from hundreds of poorly trained idiots with anger issues and the self preservation skills of a gerbil in poorly maintained vehicles travelling at 90mph in 2 tonnes of steel.
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u/InitialDay6670 5d ago
well when im cruising on the highway and my engine goes out, I can rest assured knowing I wont fall to my death.
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u/bandog 5d ago
Do people think companies/engineers just make things up and not consider the downsides?
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u/jascgore 4d ago
Absolutely, particularly when its a downside that people external to the company must bear. In this case, the danger posed to people on the ground and in buildings. That's capitalism and why the FDA, FCC, EPA, and so many other agencies exist to act as an external cost for companies.
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u/SeveralAnteater292 4d ago
Yes, this person is the first person to think of those obvious points and the engineers never thought about any of it
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u/JamIsBetterThanJelly 5d ago
Watch one of these land on a crowd of people and saw them in half.
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u/AwwwNuggetz 5d ago
I would expect these would only takeoff and land from designating landing pads. Only way it would currently make sense
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u/blazurp 5d ago
Yea these taxis are for the wealthy. The places they need to go will have landing pads
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u/Moody_Prime 4d ago
United airlines partnered with Archer Aviation to fly drone taxis from Chicago IMD to O'Hare Airport, they're supposed to start this year and it was supposed to cost $150 per trip. But that was reported two years ago, and there haven't really been any updates since then. So who knows when it'll start or how much it'll actually cost.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/3/23/23653147/united-electric-air-taxi-ohare-downtown
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u/Intelligent_Bison968 5d ago
So like helicopters. They are just electric helicopters.
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u/Trypsach 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah. They’re fancy electric helicopters with a good PR budget. We have all sorts of services like this, they’re just only used by the rich, exactly like these will be.
We’ve even got ultralight single-person aircraft/helicopters that don’t need an aviation license (Mosquito XEL and even smaller home-brew stuff), again it’s just only for the fabulously wealthy or the incredibly tech-inclined (probably with a YouTube channel to fund it).
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u/Grimour 5d ago
How often does this happen with helicopters? Because that's been the alternative so far.
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u/Mr-Plop 5d ago
It's kind of concerning those propellers are not guarded.
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u/HappyMonchichi 5d ago
Helicopter propellers aren't guarded either and I guess we all consider that normal.
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u/buhbye750 5d ago
You can walk to and enter a helicopter safely while the blades are spinning...
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u/ThisIsLukkas 5d ago
Cause they're safely above the hely where you can't hit them only if you really want to
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u/CommunalJellyRoll 4d ago
Not really. All sorts of accidents happen with people getting hit with rotors.
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u/Radraider67 4d ago
No. Main rotor blades can dip well below average head height. It is fairly uncommon, but not unheard of, for someone to not pay attention, and get ther brains ripped out by a blade.
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u/Stigbritt 5d ago
Helicopter propellers aren't the same height as your dick for a convenient circumcision.
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u/HappyMonchichi 5d ago
Well if you consider it convenient, then what's the problem? 🤣
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u/bourj 5d ago
Who cares? We've got cars that drive themselves! Sort of. It's true! Most of the time!
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u/konstantin_gorca 5d ago
50% of the time...
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u/ReplacementClear7122 5d ago
It definitely drove itself into the nearest pedestrian.
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u/Stompya 5d ago
The Chinese ones are apparently ahead there too …
https://www.reddit.com/r/climate/comments/1gx4hbv/chinese_electric_cars_are_leaving_the_us_in_the/
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u/Statertater 5d ago
Waymo works pretty much every time. Tesla… not so much lol
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u/space-sage 4d ago
I love Waymo. I will always pay extra to be alone, in a Jaguar, rather than in a strangers car
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u/Vert_DaFerk 5d ago
All cars have been able to drive themselves. The aftermath (or lack of) is the only thing that changes.
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u/Deep_Seas_QA 5d ago
Too bad the US has instead decided to go back 100 years instead of forward.. We can’t even have high speed trains because they are too woke or something?
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u/Conscious_Trainer549 5d ago
High speed trains? I'd just be happy if they brought back the intercity commuter from 100 years ago.
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u/Mr-Plop 5d ago
A month ago people were shooting at the NJ drones, can't wait to see how this would work out
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u/X-RAY777 5d ago
Was that only a month? JFC. Can it be 2028 already
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u/shmiddleedee 5d ago
2028? You mean the beginning of trumps 3rd term? I'm worried this nightmare doesn't just end in 4 years. It's gone to far already.
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u/raikou1988 4d ago
Lmaooo like theres going to be any elections in 2028 . Thanks for that laugh this morning
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u/Ok-Disk-2191 5d ago
Well at least china has tough gun laws.
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u/Gary_the_metrosexual 5d ago
But not so tough safety laws....
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u/trailsman 5d ago
China is going to crush us in all of these areas. EV's & EVOTLs (a byproduct of battery capacity & cheapness), renewables & energy storage (they are going to bring the marginal cost for electricity to essentially zero), and lots of tech areas. We created the perfect monster trying to cut China off & spread the fear mongering campaign against them. They are centrally planned, when they decide to set a new 5 year plan they move with scale we cannot comprehend. And meanwhile we're here at the whims of a lunatic leader, based off today's "greatest idea" and the constant corporate influence that does nothing to get us ahead and protects legacy businesses and monopolies.
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u/Deep_Seas_QA 5d ago
100% it's so sad.. And for what? Ego? Spite? The dead dreams of old men to manufacture gas powered cars in the states again..? "America first" is going to make America last. We won't even have cutting edge science or medical research anymore. It sure looks bleak at the moment.
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u/trailsman 5d ago
I don't know what subreddit it was posted on today but a survey of scientists & researchers, 75% said they were thinking about leaving the US given the cuts in funding. If we continue down this stupid road the brain drain is going to be massive, to the benefit of every other country who will accept them with open arms. The long run costs of the shenanigans of a few lunatics, under the guise of efficiency, and tax cuts for the absurdly wealthy is going to be unfathomable.
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u/thelangosta 4d ago
The U.S. doesn’t even know what long term planning looks like. We can’t agree on a budget to fund the government for a few months at a time. It’s so frustrating
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u/No_Atmosphere8146 4d ago
China don't even have to do R&D since US companies happily send the schematics of their cutting edge tech directly to China for manufacturing.
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u/Decisionspersonal 5d ago
That isn’t why we can’t build them. Ask California why they can’t build it? They’ve even put forth plenty of money!
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u/Babys_For_Breakfast 5d ago
Yeah I wish they would finally get the ball rolling for that high speed rail in Cali.
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u/Vegas_FIREd 5d ago
They need to do a study first to see if doing a study on the latest consultant report will cause cancer
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u/SkellySkeletor 5d ago
The sheer amount of life changing infrastructure and developments that have been completely shelved due to environmental review is going to be studied extensively in the future.
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u/Aznhalfbloodz 5d ago
It's the automobile industry that is preventing this from happening, unfortunately. Old laws and policies are preventing progress.
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u/UnpaidSmallPenisMod 4d ago
Idk California has apparently spent billions of dollars to produce a high speed rail. They haven’t built a single train yet, where’s the money going?
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u/whatanerdiam 5d ago
China is leaving the rest of the world behind. China will be the world's superpower. It will no longer be the U.S.
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u/ghsteo 5d ago
They get Cyberpunk, USA gets Idiocracy, least they're going to have cool shit.
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u/Vivid_Barracuda_ 5d ago
USA has magic computers making money out of thin air woohoo 💯!!!!
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u/Socks-and-Jocks 5d ago
Correction. Making thin air our of thin air and calling it money
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u/ergonomic_logic 5d ago
If you haven't seen the Chinese city of Chongqing, look it up. It's straight up cyberpunk!
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u/Commercial-Web6806 4d ago
I've lived there before. Sure lights look cool but that barely counts for anything. If anything, I'd say the public transport is the number 1 attraction. You can get anywhere you want for less than a quid, or completely free if you're over a certain age.
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u/Ok-Replacement-2738 5d ago
Like i get what you're saying but this is verymuch just cyber-topic not really utopia or dystopia, i think freedom to fly is just a innate resolut of technological and economical advancements.
other things like forced organ harvesting, that's dystopic.
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u/PHANTOM________ 5d ago
I’d rather have flying taxis than a trade war for no reason with our closest ally. Oh well.
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u/uselessmindset 5d ago edited 5d ago
This is really cool. Also, kinda scary. If there is a taxi version, I imagine there is a weaponized version, and anyone that know the fpv drone hobby or has seen them fly know that they are agile as heck. Scary thought.
Personally, I would enjoy flying one of these. Especially so a militarized version. There would definitely be some neat features I’m sure aside from the weapons system.
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u/Charmle_H 5d ago
Just look at r/noncredibledefense . They talk about whacky shit with drones all the time. They've been undergoing the same changes & uses as airplanes did back in WW1&2 over the past couple years, it's fascinating
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u/tom444999 5d ago
Wrong time to mention NCD, they are in their french era right now
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u/supercyberlurker 5d ago
Imagine tens of thousands of these flying ultra-low into Taiwan.
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u/akolomf 5d ago
They would be pretty similar to how ww2 planes worked, just easier regarding takeoff and landing + pilots need fewer training. Issue is, I doubt they'd work well in bad weather conditions and are slightly less robust than ww2 planes. I would never consider using these as a taxi, they look more like death traps.(Except maybe under perfect weather conditions) would be better to just use them unmanned as airsupport during war
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u/Prestigious-Mess5485 5d ago
Even small arms fire would tear these up. They need to be as light as possible. No way to make them armored.
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u/akolomf 5d ago
Yeah so their main aspect would be speed and maneuverability, which kinda makes the pilot the limiting factor due to increased weight and limited exposure to g-forces in such a vehicle. Soo yeah there'd be no point to have people inside those things when using them in a war, unless the drones are susceptible to jamming.
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u/PastaRunner 5d ago edited 4d ago
The fact that shit like this gets posted and upvoted is wild.
They’re helicopters guys. Not “flying taxis” just helicopters. Does that sound loud and expensive? Because it is.
Does that sound viable and actually happening? Because it’s not.
ETA: Guys, it literally is a helicopter. "a type of aircraft which derives both lift and propulsion from one or more sets of horizontally revolving rotors." That's what we saw in the video. A helicopter. A drone is defined by being an unmanned aircraft. These are proporting to be "taxi's". What do you think they are taxi'ing.
Do you think if you wanted to rent a helicopter for you to go to work each morning, that would be irrationally expensive? Probably 3-4 orders of magnitude more expensive than a car? So what makes you think they're going to bring this down to be, for example, only 1% that cost? Which would of course still be 10x more expensive than the car equivalent.
I can't believe this post is getting upvoted but I am dumbfounded by the idiots actually going to bat for it.
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u/Lyzern 5d ago
Yeah nice try hater! The other day I rode a flying train. It had some kind of wings on the side for gliding and huge motors to fly.
The future is now!!
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u/Koakie 5d ago
All these videos of passengers drones always come with a soundtrack and they cut the actual sound.
https://youtu.be/76UesDRC5dg?si=XjIMtSESJK3PB57D
Skip to 1:30.
Now imagine some 2040 dystopian city, and there are thousands of these in the air buzzing around 24/7.
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u/poilk91 4d ago
Finally someone points it out. These would make living in a city hell they just aren't worth it to operate any thing like a "taxi" just a cheaper helicopter
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u/BrilliantHeavy 4d ago
Im pretty sure you take the train living in a city. This is probably more for flying across large rural areas. China is huge and has a fuckton of farmland and ritual towns, makes sense you wouldn’t want to drive 10 hours to go visit your grandmother in her podunk village
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u/kwyk 5d ago
Food delivery in China has been fully autonomous by drone for a while now. This is probably happening…
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u/CantAffordzUsername 5d ago
What could go wrong?
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u/woodenmetalman 5d ago
I think a lot of ppl in the US don’t realize just how far ahead China has leaped technologically while we’ve been arguing about abortions, which bathrooms people should be using and just how rich we should let people get on the backs of the rest of us.
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u/unclepaprika 5d ago
Hmm, it's almost like that metaphor. Something about foot and a shot. Can't quite piece it together tho, weirdly. 🤷
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u/realityunderfire 5d ago
No kidding. While we’ve been arguing over junk science and identity politics, whether or not to capitalize White and Black other countries have been gaining education and investing in the future. We are screwed.
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u/voyagertoo 5d ago
they're not. most of it is fake, just like this video. none of that was irl footage. why not if they are so far... blah blah blah
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u/Neinstein14 5d ago edited 4d ago
It’s easy to do such technological leaps if you’re less interested in safety and proper regulations.
USA companies have the technology for this also, but in the West we don’t like to risk lives by pushing out aviation tech that is immature and not tested extensively.
Whether that testing could be expedited by reducing bureaucracy while keeping the safety is another question. But it’s not like China is so ahead, they just have a different focus and more willing to take a risk.
Debate over one topic, useless or not, does not necessarily have to hinder the progress of another topic.
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u/FuzzeWuzze 5d ago
I mean, everything? Nothing?
The same could have been, and probably was said about cars, trains, and airplanes when they were new.
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u/Demigans 5d ago
Difference being that there was years and years more development, trial and above all error before it saw widespread use inside cities.
Now they first use basically upscaled drone tech alongside autonomous guidance simultaneously? I'd wait a few years.
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u/My_advice_is_opinion 5d ago
This is almost as stupid as traveling 60mph in a aluminum box, while other people travel 60mph in the opposite direction 10ft away only separated by a painted line
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u/RAH7719 5d ago
Shhhh.... don't tell them. The more people fly the roads will be clear for us - the joy and passion of driving-yourself will go on!
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u/CrimsonBolt33 5d ago
God these titles are fucking insufferable...
No China hasn't
You people love to shoot the propoganda straight into your veins and accept it all as fact.
It's literally an advertisement video with a title making a claim that can't be verified.
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u/aminervia 5d ago
Lol loud music in the video covers how deafening these things must be.
Why are there constantly all these videos of "This is how China does things!" And it's always these flashy and totally impractical prototypes that will never make it into actual use there
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u/Royal-Insurance-7534 4d ago
The noise and light pollution from these things is going to massively suck for everyone in the vicinity they operate.
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u/Trollimperator 5d ago
Good, now we will see, if thats just another investment hype or if thats something useful in a costs vs value kind of way.
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u/KarisNemek161 4d ago
rich people toys
just imagine the energy needed to lift a few persons to get from A to B. Wasteful
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u/LosttheWay79 4d ago
6 unprotected propellers at knee-high level cant be a good idea. Also, why these videos never have the audio of the flight? its always some generic music to cover up how loud this thing is.
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u/wafflepiezz 4d ago
America is truly falling behind other countries.
You guys make fun of this, but what if it actually becomes a viable product and form of transportation?
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u/SmokeClad 5d ago
Promo Director: "Okay now lets get some shots of you guys actually using it in the air"
Guy who made them: "WHOA! Now hold on there"
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u/Consistent_Device567 5d ago
Seems to be a lot of Chinese propaganda on here recently.
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u/Medical_Flower2568 5d ago
We have already had these for 70 years
They are called helicopters
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u/surfingforlaugh 5d ago
Helicopter are already very loud, i cant imagine 30-50 of this flying nearby every day
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u/Regret-Select 5d ago
Do these have an emergency parachute & backup? Would suck if systems failed, but a mechanical safety option like a parachute + backup would be nice if that's possible
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u/Rossasaurus_ 5d ago
People seem to forget the sound drones make.
The sound of a human transport drone would be cacophonous. Hundreds in a city would be unbearable.
It's a horrible idea. Same thing with drone delivery of packages.
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u/supreme_rain 5d ago
I wonder if people will be excited to find if they will be the first victim of flying taxi accident.
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u/arachnobravia 5d ago
How's the additional noise pollution going to be mitigated? Drones are bad enough, helicopters are horrible- These would be literally the worst.
I support the use of these for emergency vehicles. I do not support them for private/rich people to get around for funzies.
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u/alex7071 5d ago
And if they start falling from the sky you can start singing: "It's raining men, hallelujah!"
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u/switch495 5d ago
The Chinese are well known for their skilled drivers and strict adherence to traffic law... flying taxis can only be a good idea.
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u/CowVisible3973 5d ago
I love how Reddit buys into China's propoganda more than the Chinese people themselves.
Yeesh, variants of this tech have existed for a while. Putting aside the monumental technical challenges, you'd still have a huge amount of non-technical challenges in getting these into common use (infrastructure, safety standards, insurance, viable economic models, etc.)
For example, if you go to Beijing you will not see helicopters for reasons having to do with decades old security policy. Changing that policy to allow for autonomous passenger drones would require a tremendous amount of political will. And the fear that someone would hack this thing and turn it into a missile targeting Zhongnanhai would probably be a nonstarter.
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u/Charming-Ad4156 5d ago
You get in it first