r/EasternCatholic 13d ago

META Subreddit Rules Updated!

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Glory to Jesus Christ!

I hope everyone is enjoying a fruitful fast. Just popping on to say that the subreddit rules have been updated due to recent misconduct. We have been giving some warnings in various comment sections but some of us have been blocked by members in an effort to avoid warnings, or for some other reason.

Rule 9 has been added to cut back on this. Effective immediately, any user who blocks a MOD will receive an immediate PERMABAN, which can be appealed. In that appeal, we must have a screenshot showing that the MOD has been unblocked. We will know if you've been cited for this already so if you re-block a MOD, that permaban will be permanent.

As it is the Great Fast, its a good idea to re-read the rules as a reminder to keep things civil here in the subreddit. Thank you for your attention, have a Blessed Fast!


r/EasternCatholic Dec 31 '22

Attending My First Divine Liturgy Tomorrow (Byzantine-Ruthenian)! Advice/Things To Know?

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Roman Catholic here who is incredibly excited about attending my first Divine Liturgy tomorrow (1/1/23) at a Byzantine-Ruthenian church! I've been planning this for weeks now but felt compelled to finish out Advent season through to Christmas Day at my current Roman Catholic church before potentially making the switch to becoming an attendee of the Byzantine church (not even considering switching rites for at least a year).

What are some things you feel I should know as a Byzantine Divine Liturgy newbie? I've learned some; Eastern way of making the sign-of-the-cross (love it, feel right!), not to stick tongue out when receiving Eucharist, etc. but would greatly appreciate the advice of you kind folks!

While I anticipate I'll remain mostly silent (I'm assuming that's OK?) for this first service, I'm specifically curious about outward gestures and behaviors when entering/leaving the church (and during the liturgy itself), after receiving the Eucharist (if any), etc. Really though, anything you feel would be of benefit to me to know and/or things you wish you knew before attending your first Divine Liturgy would be awesome!

Thanks!


r/EasternCatholic 7h ago

Theology & Liturgy Some thoughts on the service of the Twelve Passion Gospels - Fr Herman Majkrzak

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This office is a high point of Holy Week in the Byzantine liturgical tradition. Many love it, but some do not. I love it deeply, and the (I think) eight times I've been choir director for it are among my most precious memories of service in the Church thus far. This service is a masterpiece of liturgical genius. Here are some thoughts about it.

The Triodion and Typicon direct that the service is to begin at 8 PM on Holy Thursday evening. (In practice, it may begin an hour or two earlier.) It should be sung in a darkened church, with little or no illumination besides candlelight and oil lamps. Despite it employing the framework of daily Matins, it’s not a morning service and should not be celebrated on Friday morning (that time slot is for Royal Hours). It’s rather a vigil in character, as Matins in the Byzantine Rite often is. The point of the service is not prayers upon waking, for the start of a new day, but rather, to keep watch with the Lord as he progresses through all the events that take him to Golgotha and death. Thus (after the usual Six Psalms and Great Litany) the service begins with the troparion of Maundy Thursday (“When the glorious disciples were enlightened at the washing of the feet…”) and the first, very long Gospel (John 14–18), which takes place at the Last Supper. Much of the earlier part of the service is taken up with events that happened throughout that night: the agony in the garden, the betrayal, the trial before the Sanhedrin, Peter’s denial.

But like many of the services of Holy Week, this is a transitional service: in the span of three hours or so, it carries you from Thursday evening all the way through to Friday evening. Later, on the afternoon of Holy Friday, we will reread the Passion narrative (in composite form), much closer to the actual time of those later events. But this service begins instead at the time of these earlier events. (Many Greek Catholic communities over recent decades have been influenced, I reckon, by Pope Pius XII’s 1955 Roman Rite Holy Week reform in adjusting the traditional times for services so that Matins is always in the morning and Vespers in the evening. I believe that this adjustment makes good sense for the Roman Rite [e.g., with its Easter vigil beginning with the new fire and lucernarium] but less so for the Byzantine. I may write more about that some other time).

The twelve selections from the four Gospels’ Passion narratives overlap and repeat different episodes in the Savior’s advance towards death. Thus the way each Gospel reading interacts with the previous and succeeding readings and also with the hymnography sung in between them is very much two-steps-forward-one-step-back: a solemn, ceremonial dance. And this is key. Because this is how we work through grief. Our minds, hearts, and bodies must revisit, reinterpret, and reintegrate the traumatic and fatal events of those twenty-four hours, and we are part of those events, even if not the central figure. They affect us. Deeply.

Many are troubled and disturbed by the eruption of anger and finger-pointing that characterizes the hymnography in the first part of the service, throughout many of the fifteen antiphons and sessional hymns. Judas, Caiaphas and the Jews, even the sleeping disciples in Gethsemane: the atmosphere in this earlier part of the service is one of agitation. Everything is falling apart, all my hopes are crumbling, and THIS IS SOMEONE’S FAULT. One of the early stages of grief (in Elisabeth Kubler-Ross’s famous schema) is anger. And Peter himself gives voice to the first stage of grief—denial: “This shall never happen to thee, Lord.” It is necessary for us to experience and go through this anxious, confused, pot-stirring, boiling-over terror and rage. We don’t like it—we may find the rhetoric to be unfair, unjust—and yet, this is the reality of grief. And in the modality of poetry and lyric we can say things that we ought not say in prose.

Interspersed among all those verses of outrage, each of the fifteen antiphons concludes with a Theotokion, a brief hymn to the Theotokos, the Mother of God. Notice: they are Theotokia, not (as we might expect) Stavrotheotokia (except for the 15th). That is: they do not focus on the Passion, on our Lady’s suffering beside the Cross. Rather, with these short hymns, we periodically turn to our Lady, not to console her but for her to console us. We see her not in the midst of all this panic and turmoil but as already having passed beyond death and resurrection—both her Son’s and her own—and already reigning with Him in heaven. We run to her and bury our face in her lap as our emotions overwhelm us. And she consoles us. These Theotokia are small oases. They must never be omitted, and the choir or chanters should try to sing them in a calmer and more serene manner than the surrounding hymns. (The Stavrotheotokion at the end of the 15th antiphon is sometimes forgotten inadvertently. This too must not happen. It is the first Stavrotheotokion of the service. Several more will follow. Our Lady has come to join us in this moment.)

At the famous fifteenth antiphon, “Today, he who hung the earth upon the waters is hung upon the Cross,” our finger-pointing ceases. For in the next Gospel reading, we see the Lord finally lifted up on the Cross. It cannot be prevented now. It’s too late. And we are stunned. A certain kind of acceptance briefly comes over us—acceptance being the last stage of grief in Kubler-Ross’s schema. (The stages of grief are perhaps better thought of as elements of grief: they, like these Gospel narratives, overlap with each other.) We look at the majesty of the Cross now set up in the midst of the church, and we weep.

The fifteen antiphons concluded, our next bit of hymnography is a set of troparia interspersed with the Beatitudes. We see that the Crucified Lord of Glory is perfectly fulfilling the Beatitudes he preached at the beginning of his ministry. Intercalated with these verses are troparia in which we make our own the prayer of the wise thief: “Remember me, O Lord, when thou comest in thy kingdom.” We have stopped blaming others and look inward for a moment. It now occurs to me that I am to blame, and that this Crucifixion is in fact necessary to restore me to my place in the Father’s kingdom.

With the three-ode Canon by St. Cosmas (the final three-ode canon of the season), we return to an earlier stage of the events, focusing again on the washing of the feet, the garden, and Peter’s denial. We revisit these events with new eyes, eyes now filled not with fear and foreboding but with the tears of sorrow.

In the midst of the canon, we come to St. Romanus’s kontakion, the Stavrotheotokion par excellence, where we see our Lady watching her Son bear his Cross towards Calvary and asking him where he’s rushing off to. Is there another wedding in Cana? Is he going again to turn water into wine? No matter: he remains her Son and her God! The irmos and katavasia of the ninth ode complements this kontakion. It is the Theotokion par excellence: “More honorable than the cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim!” Here there is no hint of sorrow and incomprehension in the Mother of God, only her unsurpassable glory. This katavasia should be sung with stately, confident majesty. Our Lady, in her unconquerable faith, intercedes for us.

After the canon, we revisit the theme of the wise thief that was introduced in the Beatitudes before the canon. This famous Exapostilarion is, for many Slavs, the high-point of the service: “The wise thief didst thou make worthy of Paradise, in a single moment, O Lord. By the wood of the Cross, illumine me as well, and save me.” We now realize that our only hope is this Cross and the One hanging on it, this Cross the threat of which had earlier thrown us into frenzy and panic.

As we come to the stichera on the Praises and to the aposticha, especially when sung to Kastalsky’s very poignant Holy Week harmonizations of Kyivan Chant, our grief arrives at the stage of deep, deep sorrow. All creation, the sun, the moon, the earth, shudders as it beholds its Creator hanging naked on the tree. We gaze on every one of the members of Christ’s Body, each of which has suffered for us in its own way. Our Lady is now weeping and tearing out her hair with agony. Even the very angels shudder in bafflement: “O incomprehensible Lord, glory be to thee!”

Yet in the midst of this deep sorrow, anger flares out once more, as again it flashes before our eyes how the soldiers dared to mock their Savior and their King: “They stripped me of my garments / and clothed me in a scarlet robe; / they set a crown of thorns upon my head / and placed a reed in my right hand, / THAT I MIGHT DASH THEM IN PIECES LIKE A POTTER’S VESSEL.” (The choir director must lean into this for all its dramatic contrast from the surrounding text.) We put this hot wave of apparent vengefulness on the lips of Christ himself, quoting Psalm 2. (Again, poetry is not prose.) And yet, a moment later we think further of the matter and arrive at a deeper awareness of the truth, still in the voice of Christ: “I gave my back to scourging; / I did not turn away my face from spitting; / I stood before the judgement-seat of Pilate, / and en - dured the Cross—” why? “—for the salvation of the world.” These last words must be sung with great emphasis but pianissimo. They reinterpret the previous sticheron. If Christ must dash a vessel to pieces, it is in order that he can refashion it again according to his likeness.

And, so, after the twelfth (and shortest) of the Passion Gospels—which recounts Pilate setting a guard at the tomb so that no one could fake a resurrection—we sing one final, short hymn. And it is a hymn of gratitude. “By thy precious Blood, thou hast redeemed us from the curse of the Law. By being nailed to the Cross and pierced with the spear, thou hast poured immortality upon men. O our Savior, glory be to thee!” Like Psalm 21/22, the quintessential Passion Psalm, our long vigil concludes in triumph. We recognize that the suffering, crucified Servant is indeed the Lord of Glory. In some traditions, this hymn is preceded by a short, festal peal of all the bells. This peal marks the conclusion of the final Gospel reading, but also prepares our hearts for a brief and quiet “Thank you, Jesus” which we express through this concluding tone four troparion.

I have said little about the Gospels themselves. They speak for themselves more readily than do the hymns, it seems to me. I have also said little about what I called above the “framework” of this vigil: Daily Matins. All the ordinary bits, the psalms, the litanies, etc., which those in, say, monastic communities hear and pray every day. These parts are important as well, because they help provide contour—highs and lows—to this service. We cannot be revved up to 100% of emotion all the time. We need ordinary, humdrum things in our lives while grieving: getting a drink of water, preparing a meal, taking out the trash. We need down-time. This is why the service will go from something as heart-wrenching as the “Wise Thief” exapostilarion to something as quotidian as a Little Litany or a set of Trisagion Prayers.

Glory to thy long-suffering, O Lord!

  • Fr Herman Majkrzak UGCC

r/EasternCatholic 1d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Can someone help me?

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I am a Latin Catholic and I want to live in the East, can anyone give me tips and help me? And the church that I liked the most is the Ukrainian Greek Catholic


r/EasternCatholic 1d ago

Non-Byzantine Eastern Rite Any good books related to the Maronite Church/Syriac tradition?

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I am finishing "Captivated by your teachings" by Anthony J. Salim and it has helped me structure what I know about Catholicism and understand what is done during Maronite mass. What book should I read next? I am mainly interested in spirituality, prayers and so.


r/EasternCatholic 3d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Melkite traditional monastics

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So, I had a question, does anyone know is there any Melkite traditional monasteries around the world? I heard about Holy Theophany in France which is basically dying rn from what I understood, do they have any other traditional monasteries, in Lebanon for example or Syria?


r/EasternCatholic 3d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Popular Patristics Reliable?

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Hey there!

I'm a Latin seminarian and I LOVE delving into the writings of the saints. I've been able to find many works of the Church Fathers from Catholic sources, but some are missing which can be found in the Popular Patristics Series.

Now I understand that it's from an Eastern Orthodox publisher, but are the translations potentially problematic? If not, I'll go right ahead and pick them up.

I've seen someone mention PPS on here in the past, so I presume some of you can guide me on this.

Thank you and God bless!


r/EasternCatholic 5d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Orthodox to Catholic inquiry

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Hi all!

I am a Baptist to Orthodox convert (2019), and now am seriously considering uniting myself to the Catholic faith. I am very much leaning towards the papacy as the deciding factor here.

My understanding is I (in the US, belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church currently) would be ascribed to the Melkite Catholics for my sui iuris church. There are no Melkite parishes or missions within a 4h drive of me, and until recently there were no Eastern Catholic parishes at all. Currently a UGCC mission parish about a half hour away from me, so I do have a Byzantine church I can attend.

My question I guess is twofold

— what really sold the papacy to you? I am going to be honest and say I don’t want it to be true. I would have to leave my Orthodox church and would be burning bridges I think. Plus family are much more anti-Catholic than they are anti-Orthodox. I think my wife would be fine with it because we would still be Byzantine.

— What are the days of obligation for Melkites? I have been unable to contact the closest Melkite eparchy, and the Melkites are one of the only churches I cannot find the days of obligation for. The UGCC has theirs pretty easy to locate


r/EasternCatholic 5d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Can two people raised as eastern Catholics choose to get married in Latin rite?

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My partner and I are Syro-Malabar Catholic by birth but have attended mass at a Latin parish for the last ten years due to living in a city away from the Syro- Malabar church we grew up in. We would like to have our marriage done in the Latin rite as this is rite in which we practice our faith and we do not feel any connection with the Syro-Malabar rite. The priest from the Latin rite says he has no problem with this as long as the Syro-Malabar parish priest gives permission. The Syro-Malabar priest has refused our request saying it cannot be allowed by law for two people who grew up as Syro-Malabar to be married in another rite. Is this true? What are our options? Thank you for your help.


r/EasternCatholic 5d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Book Recommendations

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I was wondering what eastern theology books on eastern theology anyone has to recommend? I wasn’t sure what to buy on Byzantine theology until I learned a lot of orthodox theological books can be used as long as they aren’t specifically anti-Catholic or mention theology of the differences. So what would everyone recommend as their go to Eastern Theology book? I know the way of a pilgrim and the sayings of the desert fathers are some pretty popular ones. As a side note, what would you all say the closest thing Eastern Catholicism has to a Bishop Barron or Word on Fire?


r/EasternCatholic 6d ago

Theology & Liturgy Attending Byzantine Ordination

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I am Latin rite and recently became friends with someone from the Eastern rites. Her husband is going to be ordained and I was invited to attend. I have not been to a Divine Liturgy. What should I expect? Is the ordination a separate ceremony or does it take place within the Divine Liturgy? Thanks for your help and God bless!


r/EasternCatholic 6d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Question of icons

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As someone who used to attend an Eastern Orthodox Church (never confirmed but was close) and then fell away, I was wondering if Eastern Catholics can use icons made by orthodox monasteries and icons that have certain orthodox liturgical languages etc… I understand that when it comes to saints as long as they are pre-schism it is okay to venerate. I am just curious because I have quite a few icons that are made by orthodox companies and monasteries and as I come back into the faith through eastern Catholicism, I would like to use them again. I fell away from attending a Serbian Orthodox Church a couple of years ago and after some reflection on the papacy I plan to attend a Byzantine Catholic or Melkite Catholic Church near me. I know this might seem like a question that isn’t so important while I am coming back to the faith, but it’s something I wonder about. I would really like to wipe the dust off of my icons and put my icon corner back up. (As a side note, does anyone know of any Byzantine Catholic/Eastern Catholic companies or monasteries that produce icons?)


r/EasternCatholic 6d ago

Theology & Liturgy Debate Between Ubi Petrus and Voice of Reason in Las Vegas May 17

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Hey, buy your seats for the debate at Our Lady of Wisdom Italo-Greek Catholic Church in Las Vegas on May 17 with Ubi Petrus and Voice of Reason. The Debate Topic is "Is the Orthodox Church the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church?" There are 200 seats for pre-registration with free seating outside (it's Vegas in May, so get the inside seats quickly). https://www.youtube.com/@SearchersoftheLost/community


r/EasternCatholic 7d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Interested in becoming eastern catholic

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Interested in potentially becoming eastern Catholic specifically Byzantine, curious if there is a specific translation that is commonly used in the liturgy and the office, for example in the traditional Roman rite they use the duay rheims.


r/EasternCatholic 7d ago

Theology & Liturgy Coptic Catholics - veneration

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Good day, may God bless you all and your families, i pray lent has been going well so far please keep me in your prayers.

Full disclosure I'm a Coptic Orthodox Christian, that had some questions i wasn't able to find much material online.

I wanted to ask, in the Coptic Catholic church, does the church venerate Saint Dioscourus and Saint Severus of Antioch, if so does the Church also venerate Leo of Rome?

And if the Church venerates all 3 how is this reconcilable? Genuinely curious and genuinely asking.

Bonus question does the Church Venerate someone like Saint Samuel the Confessor, whom was persecuted by Chalcedon-en guards from the order of the emperor at the time.

God bless you and Thank you in advance for all the responses and effort.


r/EasternCatholic 7d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Should I go to a Roman Catholic church as someone interested in Eastern Catholicism?

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Hi! I have been interested in joining the Byzantine Catholic church. I was baptized in the Eastern Orthodox church as an infant but I was raised going to Roman Catholic and then Baptist churches. I really haven't been to church in the past 10 years, but I've felt the Holy Spirit tugging at me to return. After much prayer and research, I've decided I want to join the Byzantine rite of the Catholic church. The only issue is, the closest Byzantine Catholic church is an hour and a half from where I live. There is a Roman Catholic church about 5 minutes from my apartment. I was wondering if you think it's wise for me to drive that distance every Sunday in order to join the Catholic church in the correct rite that I want, or if I should just go to the Roman Catholic church for now until I am able to move somewhere where there is a Byzantine rite church. Thank you for your help!


r/EasternCatholic 8d ago

Theology & Liturgy Colors of vestments in the Byzantine Rite during Great Lent

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What are the rules for the colors of vestments in each Byzantine branch (Greek, Melkite, Slavic, etc.) during Great Lent?

Here in the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Brazil we use gold on Sundays and red during the week.


r/EasternCatholic 9d ago

News Zelie Catholic Dating

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Hey everyone, I’m Marc—a lifelong Catholic, father of four, and software engineer. I’m developing Zelie, a new Catholic dating app designed to make finding real, meaningful connections easier—and way less frustrating.

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Appreciate the help, and feel free to drop your thoughts in the comments!


r/EasternCatholic 9d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Does the melkite greek catholic church use koine greek as their liturgical language?

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r/EasternCatholic 9d ago

Icons & Church Architecture "Look again and yet again", said the angel, "so that thou shalt not forget anything thou hast been shown." An angel shows Roman Emperor Justinian a model of the Hagia Sophia. Constantinople's cathdral burned down in 532 A.D. and Justinian would replace it with the most beautiful church in the world.

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r/EasternCatholic 9d ago

Theology & Liturgy Greek Catholic Horologion in Greek?

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Hello, I am marrying a Melkite and intend to change my rite, but, before that, I would like to get in the habit of praying the Melkite divine office. I do not know Arabic, but I do know Greek and enjoy praying in it, so I would like to know if there is a Greek Catholic horologion in Greek that I could buy. If not, are the differences from the Orthodox horologion significant enough that I couldn’t use that?


r/EasternCatholic 10d ago

Other/Unspecified Anyone else being annoyed with being called "roman" catholic?

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As you know, our existence as eastern catholics is unknown to most, especially protestants in the west. Many of them simply call all catholics "roman" because they don't know about us.

What becomes really annoying is when they refuse to acknowledge that we aren't roman catholics. To my knowledge, calling members of the latin rite "roman" started out when anglicans (and/or other protestants) wanted to justify calling themselves "catholic" so they started calling the true church "roman".

It seems this really stuck with some of them. It's annoying.


r/EasternCatholic 10d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Are the faithful of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church mostly found in the western part of Ukraine?

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r/EasternCatholic 10d ago

Non-Byzantine Eastern Rite Anyone else who's not Copt appreciate the Agpeya?

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I'm not Coptic Catholic nor Coptic Orthodox. But I love the Agpeya so much now. It's not complicated and pretty easy to follow. English versions are available on an app, even a website (Agpeya: Coptic Book of Hours (www.agpeya.org) and also the paperback book is available on Amazon for just some $7 USD.

I think this is the most simple and straightforward version of any breviary. One doesn't have to go through all the prayers. If you don't have any time, just the intro, Lord's prayer, Prayer of Thanksgiving, Ps. 51, and the Conclusion should do it - takes about like 5-7 mins at most.


r/EasternCatholic 10d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question What is maronite catholic?

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Hi, I am asking this because I am unsure which version of the Bible to purchase that is best for a Maronite. Someone told me it would be best to ask here.

I’m sorry if this questions comes off unintelligent, I am still learning.

Thank you so much


r/EasternCatholic 11d ago

General Eastern Catholicism Question Is it easier to request a rite transfer during seminary?

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The title already indicates the main question. I am a Catholic of the Roman rite and am considering the possibility of entering the seminary. Recently, I participated in a retreat that deeply moved me, but I felt that something was still missing—something I only found in the Byzantine tradition. Because of this, I have begun to seriously reflect on transferring rites. However, given the complexity of this process, I would like to know if this request becomes more feasible during seminary formation.


r/EasternCatholic 12d ago

Other/Unspecified A Syro Malabar Hierarch | Mid-20th Century | Vintage Photography of Eastern Catholics

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