r/FortniteCompetitive • u/TheFortnitegamer2008 Champion Poster • 2d ago
Opinion Is Zero Build harder than Build mode? And should zero build tournaments make a return?
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u/George3452 2d ago
build mode is harder but zb tourneys were fun, especially with a duo. I don't see why we they don't do more casual events even for skin or wrap prizes
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u/Rogue-Architect 2d ago
No and yes.
Build mode takes a lot more skill but there is a massive no build community that deserves tournaments.
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u/MANIZONSQUENZEE 2d ago
They would deserve tournaments but there are just too many cheaters man. It wouldn't work
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u/Rogue-Architect 2d ago
It just doesn't sit right with me that HALF of the community doesn't have tournaments for their game mode. Cheaters shouldn't be a reason to cancel tournaments but instead a reason to develop better anti-cheat and have more active reviewers.
Imagine if they did a manual review of all the cash winners of each tournament but also include as part of the TOS for playing in tournaments that you agree to substantially legal penalties for cheating. If everyone knew that their gameplay footage would be reviewed and they would receive punitive damages, cheating would drop drastically.
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u/broitzsteve 7h ago
the tournamentās were just filled with them but i do agree it shouldve motivated them to make a way better anti cheat to lower the cheater count in the game
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u/Rogue-Architect 5h ago
No doubt about that and it was definitely giving them a bad reputation but I donāt know it just feels like letting the terrorists win lol
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u/A-B5 1d ago
And the winners of the tournament would be skilled wallhackers. I'd prefer console only zero build tourney
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u/Rogue-Architect 1d ago
Wallhackers is still a massive step forward and much easier to outplay for actually skilled players. Obviously if they are the same skill and one has walls the hacker wins but most hackers have 0 game sense.
Then they could focus the software side on catching wall hacks and the like. I donāt know the ins and outs and the hackers will always have the upper hand but I donāt think it makes sense to just eliminate the mode.
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u/A-B5 1d ago
A good wallhacker can wreck the lobby. It's tough to put position someone who has that level of information. But yes... Most cheaters aren't very good tactically.
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u/Rogue-Architect 1d ago
I can't in good faith argue that it does not give an advantage but the intersection of good mechanical players and wallhackers is much smaller than the intersection of aimbotters and wallhackers.
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u/A-B5 1d ago
Aimbotters get banned in fortnite pretty easily. Wallhacker are much much tougher to catch. There are probably more wallhacker than you realize.
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u/Rogue-Architect 1d ago
Nothing you have said this entire time has been useful. You have been off topic on every comment by not addressing anything and just making useless statements. Donāt engage if you have nothing to say.
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u/NewbMiler 1d ago
Bros talking about countering a wall hacker lmfao. Get ur head out the gutter my guy.
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u/Rogue-Architect 1d ago
Countering and outplaying are two different words for a reason. You also arenāt even making a point. Iāll make this really easy for you, would you rather face a wall hacker or someone that is wall hacking and aimbotting?
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u/Far-Life400 8h ago
What you are saying makes no sense there are a lot of cheaters now regardless there are videos every where of cheaters in builds tournaments if that's your argument then there shouldn't be build tournaments either epic is taking cheaters to court right now who won build tournaments cheating zerobuilds won't be no worse off then builds they got rid of zero builds because they claimed that's where the cheating was but then it was just as bad in builds this is silly to me
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u/Thephatcuuntrola 2d ago
Whatās the difference between the cheaters on the build side and no builds we all hear about it we all see it why act like there isnāt cheaters in ya builda bear tournaments already stupidest comment iv seen today
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u/bruhman66699 2d ago
I think their point is that the best of the best builders can possibly survive and even outplay and kill a cheater because of how much of a crutch building can be, in no build all you have access to is port a bunkers and shockwaves. Cheaters will have a field day with that and rage hack, whereas the cheaters who get away with it in build mode actually are good at the game.
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u/Far-Life400 8h ago
I disagree if that was the case epic wouldn't be seeing hackers in court right now that won major cash prizes in builds tourney s and it is more then a few they bought and ate suing so that a bad argument
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u/Thephatcuuntrola 2d ago
Cheating cheating whether you can grasp the mechanics or not what Iām reading at the end there is itās ok they cheat there good at the game yeah sorry buddy that argument still makes no sense
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u/throwaway34564536 2d ago
The argument makes sense. You have terrible reading comprehension.
The point is that cheaters are far more prevalent in ZB due to how low the barrier is to cheat + do well. Therefore, the tournaments are infested with cheaters and honest players can't win the tournaments, nor do nearly as well as they should.
If you still can't understand that, go back to school.
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u/Thephatcuuntrola 2d ago
The fact is it shouldnāt even be an argument thereās literally a post up now playing with a cheater in a builds tournament your a clown thereās still no clear reason there shouldnāt be zb tourneys
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u/throwaway34564536 1d ago
There is a difference between 1 cheater and 50 cheaters. Can you understand that? More cheaters are bad? Comprende?
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u/Thephatcuuntrola 1d ago
Your still assuming you only got 1 š¤£
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u/throwaway34564536 1d ago
I'm always surprised when I see people like you in the wild. Enjoy the Ls that life will give you. Start reading books or something.
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u/KnownCounty6733 1d ago
Because you can at least have a chance at protecting yourself in builds and the pros can still beat cheaters. Zb players arenāt skilled enough to beat a guy who literally canāt missĀ
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u/dizzee_raskolnikov 1d ago
I feel like the ZB community as a whole doesn't even care about tournaments anyway. It is after all a mode explicitly designed to cater to casuals and beginners. If a ZB player discovers a passion for grinding and competing they can always switch over to the main mode
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u/Rogue-Architect 1d ago
I think this is an incredibly naive take. I personally play build mode but there are tons of people that just donāt like that mechanic in an FPS game. Even without builds Fortnite is still one of if not the best games period. It has constant updates, collabs, interesting game mechanics and items, etc..
So basically everything you said is nonsense and feels like a build mode player with a superiority complex.
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u/a7n7o7n7y7m7o7u7s 2d ago
Definitely not harder. Itās just a different game, so yes they should have tournaments
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u/Time_to_go_viking 2d ago
Build mode is harder and takes more skill.
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u/Apprehensive-Bid6288 1d ago
If you said this in r/fortnitebr you would be lynched
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u/MaN_ly_MaN #removethemech 1d ago
šššššwhen you shoot a John Wick skin and he builds a 5 star hotel
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u/jokko_ono 1d ago
Judging from the clip alone I'd almost wager to say that luck/rng plays a bigger role in ZB.
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u/ZauhFN #removethemech 2d ago
No and yes.
A builds pro can often earn in zero build tourneys, whereas itās practically impossible for a zero build pro to get earnings in build tournaments.
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u/riskyjones 2d ago
Mom said itās my turn to post ANOTHER ZB vs Build debate to farm Karma. Play by the rules ok
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u/DisastrousSummer3405 2d ago
Itās astronomically easier. The skill ceiling is 10000x lower.
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u/SMELLTHEFEET 2d ago
I feel like Builds is a lot more forgiving than zero build.
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u/Hishaishi 2d ago
If you don't know how to rotate efficiently, you'll run out of mats very fast and be shambles, so positioning matters just as much in builds as it does in zb.
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u/wbeheuuwbevegw Champion Poster 2d ago
Not really, Iāve always said zero build tournaments are a lot more difficult than most people think but itās still not even close to builds. Builds is not forgiving in the slightest, as itās more about the long term effects of how you play, in stacked games pretty much every second can count. Fighting in builds is also much more complicated, and every altercation is usually a lot longer.
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u/parkeyb 2d ago
I donāt think thereās a negative skill ceiling, so you should inverse what youāre saying.
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u/DisastrousSummer3405 2d ago
I never implied any negative values. You should inverse your head maybe the math will make sense
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u/sadchumpy 2d ago
No and yes. But what is this video bro there are like a thousand people left on the last zone lmao
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u/rawtrap 1d ago
Zero build and build are like automatic and manual cars
People who drive manual cars can drive automatic without issues, but people who drive automatic need to learn how to operate a manual transmission
How can it be harder if itās the same thing but with less variety of actions?
One can argue about zero build players having better mid-to-long range aim, but I completely disagree because shooting and aiming in Fortnite is way easier compared to other shooting games, and this is because the recoil is very arcadey, i personally find 100x times harder to hit a pump headshot in a dragshot than hitting an opponent at 150m with an AR, not because it is inherently harder, but because the risk is not comparable, missing the pump means that you are about to die, missing the 150m shots will cause nothing
That said i wouldnāt really care if they put some cash cups for ZB, but no FNCS related stuff please, i donāt like when games start drifting away from their main focus and ZB is just an alternative game mode
BTW I think that clip is funny, as well as every other ZB endgame clip, just people hopping like bunnies trying to shoot eachother, I canāt really get why people find it amusing
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u/TacosCallejeros 2d ago
I remember this season. It was Ch5 S2 š Gatekeeper shotgun and a bad end circle
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u/TaitsRevenge 2d ago edited 2d ago
No def not harder, and Iām not just saying that bc I play builds itās just way more difficult. That being said ZB does take skill to play, a lot of ZB players have to have crazy aim since there is not a lot of cover and once they run into someone they are pretty much forced to fight bc itās almost impossible to escape if you donāt have certain items. I think getting rid of ZB tournaments was a really stupid move, I liked that the 2 modes had their own tourneys and i thought it made a lot of sense. Just bc builds is harder doesnāt mean ZB is easy, I have gotten beamed many times by players with insane aim the few times I played it. I think if they get enough pressure they might bring it back, but they probably wonāt have as many tournaments for it as they used to
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u/ColinMichaelRisley 2d ago
Builds is way harder but there are a lot of extremely talented zb players that deserve a chance to earn however most of them themselves agree that zb comp is pointless unless epic can handle the cheater situation.
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u/Tinywampa 1d ago
Just commenting to say how funny it is to hear his teammate call his hits, like it makes a difference here.
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u/ChangingCrisis Champion Poster 1d ago
The ONLY good thing about zero build is ping isn't that much of a factor.
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u/AdvantageSuch7428 11h ago edited 11h ago
As someone who played zero build all of ch5 and started builds this ch I can say without a shadow of doubt builds is harder. You panic much harder in builds. You fumble and make so many more mistakes when building. Builds is a sequence of timing between good piece control, game sense/awareness, and reloading. There are so many more variables and variations of getting an elimination. Zero builds is all about having better loot and better aim and just dont be seen first. End of the day, builds is more fun and rewarding to win imo. After 600 hours of playing, should have invested all into builds. No builds just got boring and builds reeled me back in.
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u/Nuuncis 2d ago
ZB is by definition not a competitive gamemode, if they actually managed to make a ZB comp friendly meta maybe it would be a bit interesting but people have to understand that this game is about builds, thatās where the whole complexity of it stands, everybody can aim after 7 years on the game
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u/Cheezymac2 2d ago
Honestly no builds tournaments should not return. There is nothing epic games can do to stop cheating so unless they want to give more money to cheaters then they shouldnāt bring them back
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u/_WILDTRACK_ 2d ago
If you ask me I would rather if zero build was more of a "third person cod" just raw gameplay, no Shockwaves or grapplers use the environment as cover, They claim they don't like the sweaty building but yet they are "peaking" thought bubble shields and Port a forts, And don't even get me started on ZB reload, not having a grappler there it's the equivalent of not having mats in build mode
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u/TheRealJubba 2d ago
Peaking is a sweat thing now ? š¤£
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u/Lil_Mikeyyy 20h ago
Peaking using forts and bubblesā¦ comprehension is key man
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u/TheRealJubba 11h ago
Wooooowww throw down an item and peaking is soooooo sweaty. Sooo much effort involved lmao
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u/Lil_Mikeyyy 10h ago
Did I say that? Lol. I was correcting you. Zb is meant to be zb so people get annoyed when people start building bunker forts in game
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u/TheRealJubba 10h ago
Itās not āBuilding FORtsā. Its a quick item. Try to comprehend your own words pal. Might go a long way for ya š
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u/Lil_Mikeyyy 10h ago
Bruh. Stop talking to me lol, was just rewording what the other guy saidā¦ dont need a conversation. Saying quick item like walls and stairs and all that donāt just use one button to place down just like forts, smh
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u/TheRealJubba 10h ago
Canāt talk bro bout to hop on and sweat some porta forts
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u/exdeepr 2d ago
Dont think its harder, just a different game. But unless Epic gets an anti cheat thats as strong as Riot Vanguard, or at the very least they ban faster, ZB tourneys shouldnt return.
Not enough clout in the zb community to get cheaters to be banned quick enough.
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u/martnnfv 18h ago
Fortnite has by far the strongest anti cheat. But at the same time Fortnite has the strongest and most adaptive cheaters.
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u/DrDeadShot87 2d ago
I swapped from build mode to playing strictly zero build.
I don't think it's a simple thing to answer; it comes down to what you're used to.
Zero build has developed into its own thing; it's not simply Fortnite without building anymore; both have their own strategies and skills.
I've overall found zero build to be more aim-intensive, whereas build has a lot more crosshair placement scenarios, with obviously different build mechanics. Build obviously had a deep building mechanic so there's that.
My experience has been that I run into harder opponents in zero build than in builds, but at the top level, both are hard for different reasons.
It really comes down to whom you're playing against; it's apples and oranges.
No, I don't think zero build tournaments should return until they 1) fix the cheating problem and 2) cater to both modes separately.
I think if zero build is going to return to being competitive, it needs to be in the reload-type format. The issue of too many cheesy items makes zero build less competitive at the moment. I like what they did in Chapter 5 with the comp-only items, but it was short-lived.
I think unless these things are addressed, zero build needs to stay as it is.
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u/Johny_97 2d ago
The problem with zero build was the sheer amount of hackers trying to take some free bucks from Fortnite tournaments. And it was a constant problem. But there definitely is a high level of competition at the top
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u/DisastrousSummer3405 2d ago
itās not apples to oranges theyāre both fortnite battle royale and one has 1000 less layers of complexity
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u/DrDeadShot87 2d ago
It is apples to oranges both require different strategies to win. Anyone can make something sound simple by taking the black and white approach.
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u/toph1980 2d ago
That's like saying Fortnite is the best and most complex esports shooter ever and PUBG, OW, Apex etc. are for babies and toddlers because there isn't build in them. Which ofc isn't true.
Do you find LoL to be inferior to Dota because LoL is way less complex? I think millions will disagree.
Outside of box fights I find ZB to be sweatier because you can't just run around and take cover behind builds when shit hits the fan. Builds and ZB at the very top level play very differently.
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u/DisastrousSummer3405 1d ago
Buddy fortnite IS the most complex esports shooter ever by far. Nothing comes close. And yes Dota is known to be harder than LoL. If you genuinely think ZB is sweatier then thereās no point continuing this debate because you obviously know nothing about competitive fortnite
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u/SuperSovereignty 1d ago
Wild take. Counter strike you must actually be perfect to be the best.
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u/Hishaishi 22h ago
Yeah, it's obvious that guy doesn't play other shooters at a high level if he really thinks nothing comes close to Fortnite.
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u/Either-Manner-5298 17h ago
Guy that has never played in a high level build tournament saying this lol.
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u/Hishaishi 10h ago
I have actually. You, on the other hand, are a casual who argues with zero build players on r/fortnitebr...
I agree that Fortnite is among the most complex games mechanically, but just google "GunZ" and see how wrong you are about "nothing coming close".
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u/Either-Manner-5298 5h ago
Iām a casual because I argue on Fortnite br lol how does that have any correlation? Going through my profile to do non sequitur just makes your point mute also I have btw gunz is not that complex.
Also placements? And donāt try to argue if youāre gonna go through someoneās profile to do non sequitur.
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u/Hishaishi 4h ago
Your whole argument is an ad hominem and yet you're trying to act all high and mighty because I gave you a taste of your own medicine. You also don't know what "non sequitur" means, because nothing I said is a non sequitur.
No one good at the game wastes their time arguing with bots on the main sub. You don't have a single comment that isn't "zb is for noobs hurr durr", which is how I know you're not that good.
btw gunz is not that complex.
Then install the game right now and let me know how it goes. It's legitimately more mechanically-intensive than Fortnite is.
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u/Hishaishi 9h ago edited 7h ago
Buddy fortnite IS the most complex esports shooter ever by far. Nothing comes close.
You might want to google the game GunZ if you think Fortnite is an anomaly in being mechanically complex. Korean and Chinese developers have been making mechanically-intensive esports games for decades at this point.
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u/toph1980 1d ago
Yes, I agree that Fortnite can be very complex and/or mechanical, at least when it comes to box fights and endgame, so what? It doesn't mean that all other shooters are for skill-less noobs and that Fortnite BR is superior to ZB and all other shooters out there in every way possible. They're just different game modes, played differently. BR emphasizes building and box fights. ZB emphasizes more raw tactics and combat. You like building and box fights, play build. You want to play Fortnite tactically more similar to other shooters or to how it would play out in the real world, play Zero Build.
For the record, Fortnite has NEVER been crowned or mentioned as the most complex shooter out there. You know which games have? Rainbox Six, ARMA etc. So, buddy, it seems like you're the one who knows nothing about esports and competitive gaming. Feel free to google it, unlike you I can back up my statements with facts :-) Byye!
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u/____Federico____ 1d ago
From the way you're describing it it sounds like you have gotten all your reasoning based on pubs and ranked
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u/DisastrousSummer3405 1d ago
cringe. found the person who canāt build ššš
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u/toph1980 1d ago
Yet I'm 44, a relative new player and Unreal in build (and ZB). And I didn't get there by camping it out or taking storm damage. So much for Build being super complex and mechanical. "Most complex esports shooter ever by far" lmao try again.
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u/DisastrousSummer3405 1d ago
Anyone who claims their rank as a justification for skill level is NOT good at the game š Thatās the easiest way to tell if someoneās bad at fortnite. Thanks for outing yourself! šš
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u/____Federico____ 1d ago
Using your rank as justification for your skill in Fortnite is always a way to spot someone whos not in the comp community
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u/UnderstandingTough70 2d ago
Zero build takes infinitely less skill..
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u/DrDeadShot87 2d ago
Again, two different games.
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u/UnderstandingTough70 2d ago
Two games can be different and one can take more skill than the other simultaneously!
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u/DrDeadShot87 2d ago
It's a lazy comment if im honest and doesn't really offer anything.
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u/UnderstandingTough70 2d ago
It's lazy to play zero build in the first place lol
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u/DrDeadShot87 2d ago
Child's comment.
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u/UnderstandingTough70 2d ago
Yeah let's play and promote the easier, dumber, watered down version of the game...
Yeah!!!!
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u/DrDeadShot87 1d ago
Some people do other stuff in their lives than play fortnite.
Try it.
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u/UnderstandingTough70 1d ago
You made a post on reddit about how zero build should have tournaments with all of your 'time'
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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u/toph1980 2d ago
This. ZB is just like any other first or third person shooter, and at a highly competitive level it can be just as sweaty or hard as builds, just in a different form. Yes, the mechanics of building is gone, and due to it you have to be way more strategic with your rotation and how you approach stuff. As someone who is Unreal in both modes, it always made me laugh when I came across and tapped a player in builds and a split second later, they've built an entire fortress. You can't do that in ZB and if you're out of position you're most likely dead. So, it's a whole other way to play the game.
Epic do need to address the cheaters in ZB cups before they bring it back (I doubt they will). That said, it ain't like there are no hackers in builds because I watch videos on YouTube exposing cheaters in build cups almost every week. So, in that regard I do think it was a bit unfair that they just removed ZB cups when the cheater/hacker problem is persistent in other modes as well.
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u/Zestyclose-Tone-7336 1d ago
i remember getting a 2nd place in victory cup finals in one of these endgames
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u/EliHusky 1d ago
The video answers the question pretty well. Imagine being exposed like that in a regular endgame.
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u/AdventurousAd3332 1d ago edited 1d ago
They need exclusive console and PC tournaments. Let the hackers hack and let it be fair game for consoles
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u/TheFortnitegamer2008 Champion Poster 1d ago
Letās make exclusive tournaments for mobile players and switch players too! Let all the drones make money
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u/AdventurousAd3332 1d ago
I honestly canāt tell if youāre being sarcastic or not.
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u/Easy-Vast588 1d ago
its is not harder
that clip is what happens when competent build players with good aim play zb
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u/TheFortnitegamer2008 Champion Poster 1d ago edited 1d ago
Zero build is harder because you need better aim and rotations
This is a joke. Iām pretending to be a zb drone
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u/____Federico____ 1d ago
Question 1: Absolutely not lmao its chess to checkers
Question 2: It really depends on the anti cheat. If you ever played a zb tournament back when they were in the game, as soon as you got into a semi high elo you had an 80% chance of running into a cheater in your game. There also was not a big enough competitive community for zb to justify the prize pools. I think skin cups are perfect for zb though
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u/Soggy_Thought9205 1d ago
I switched to kbm and its been 5 weeks my aim its not terrible in creative but not good too i tried my own sensitivity and i have good mousepad is xxl and for some reason when i play with real people i kind of choke every time like i hit them to one health but i dont know if my sens needs to be higher or lower bc i tried lower and mid but i always lift up my mouse to re adjust when it goes to the edge of my table but i have distance to it but when enemies keeps going in circles in one way it gets me all the time and rn idk what to do its getting harder for me to find my sens i tried every pro sens to and for me one is way to high or the other way to low i tried mid and its just not adjusting a stay on the sens for 5 days straight and idk how to control the mouse idk if someone can help me i been trying to find help but its not working and this is my only shot at this app if you can help me ill be grateful for it
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u/mauifranco 22h ago
I started with zero build, then switched to buildā¦ got good at that and switched back to zero build and absolutely annihilated everyone. Zero build is a walk in the park compared to build. The skill level is much higher in build.
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u/Full_Substance_3127 17h ago
Zb is easy but honestly the tournament were fun+ you didnāt need the best duo so you could actually play with your friends
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u/MufflesTG 15h ago
The last Mosquito or Fly alive will become the Legendary winner in the tournament! š
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u/ChunkyStaples 3h ago
Building was the entire point of the game. Don't get me wrong... Zero build players are good at aiming and running away and throwing shield bubbles.
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u/Cheezymac2 2d ago
Look at all those floppers during a no build money tournament. That video shows just how low skill that mode actually is š¤£
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u/imalonexc 1d ago
Of course build mode is harder but thatās not necessarily a good thing. Since you can put in 100 hours of practice a week and still not even have a fair chance to win anything
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u/Yugix1 1d ago
is it harder? no. they're different skills, but it's way easier to learn positioning than all the building mechanics, specially because you need to learn positioning anyways
now for tournaments, idk. zb players deserve them, but they're full of cheaters and the main problem seems to be that there's 0 incentive to kill people: you don't get mats, you don't have people who spray you if you're low on hp or mats, and everyone's just running from cover to cover. unless the endgame is in a very specific place, it's 90% rng
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u/peoplearedumb10000 1d ago
What the fuck is going on.
I havenāt touched this season yet, and I donāt think I will.
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u/Stunning-Ad6570 1d ago
People see this and say ZB is rng but the builds endgames entirely filled with walls and floors with 37 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off is āskillāz
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u/TheFortnitegamer2008 Champion Poster 1d ago
Zero build is people running around with their heads cut off lol. Build mode is people utilizing the core mechanic of the game that actually takes skill to use and be good at. Zero build is wayyyyy more rng, and wayyyyy less skill
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u/Stunning-Ad6570 1d ago
I just simply disagree. I think it takes less thought when all u need to do is build in the same exact way every single game. Building is a crutch. Like if they released a zb mode where you could instantly protect yourself from damage at any point for any reason šššš. Not realistic and building takes the game into a different genre. I play shooters not Minecraft
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u/TheFortnitegamer2008 Champion Poster 1d ago
The core mechanic of Fortnite is building and editing. Itās what set the game apart and made it popular. It is also the hardest mechanic to learn. Zero build is the exact same game mode, just without the hardest mechanics and skills needed. Making it a far easier mode. Build pros win zero build tournaments regularly, a zero build pro has never won a build tournament
And they also had to add bunkers and such to zero build as a way to instantly protect yourself. Because zero build players were too bad to learn how to build, so epic games had to add something to do it for them
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u/Stunning-Ad6570 1d ago
I see we have different opinions. Keep working on your ā90sā and āboxing upā. šššššš
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u/TheFortnitegamer2008 Champion Poster 1d ago
Keep being bad at the game and complaining about āsweatsāšš
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u/Stunning-Ad6570 1d ago
Alright man Iāll take ZB and Ballistic, all yall kids can keep build mode and Lego Fortnite.
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u/TheFortnitegamer2008 Champion Poster 1d ago
I can guarantee Iām better then you at both zb and ballistic
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u/SasnarDash 1d ago
Zero build is harder in a different sense than builds. You canāt rely on builds and that adds a different a different way of playing and being positioned and such. Once they get their anti cheat in lock I think they can come back
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u/ChangingCrisis Champion Poster 1d ago
It's not harder than in any way, shape or form.
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u/SasnarDash 1d ago
Iāve been unreal in both, idc what youāre saying here dawg. Iāve have to plan WAY farther ahead in ZB than I ever did in builds.
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u/ChangingCrisis Champion Poster 1d ago
The post isn't about ranked dawg.
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u/SasnarDash 1d ago
āIs zero build harder than build mode AND ā¦ etc.ā Sounds like itās about if itās harder, which includes ranked mode.. you know the mode where people actually try. This post isnāt asking solely about tournaments. Reading comprehension.
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u/ChangingCrisis Champion Poster 1d ago
The post is asking if zero build tournaments should come back dawg.
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u/SasnarDash 1d ago
Go look up what āAndā means. Iām not your English teacher.
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u/ChangingCrisis Champion Poster 1d ago
There was no mention of ranked in the post. No shit you have to "plan" more in zero build because nobody actually fights.
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u/SasnarDash 1d ago
There doesnāt have to be a mention of it because OP posted a blanket question which indirectly includes ranked. They used the word AND to add in a specification for tournaments. I truly do not care about your critique of zero build.
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u/ChangingCrisis Champion Poster 1d ago
If that were true you wouldn't feel the need to reply or downvote me.
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u/Due_Still5826 2d ago
Im unreal in zb and i SUCK at building, but even when i play build i manage to "out smart" them. Zb is about tactics and the ability to play hide and seek. imo zb is alot harder. i wanna tournaments too:(
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u/Historical-Cold6282 2d ago
Its a fact ZB is so much easier, my old friends who werent good enough all turned to ZB and now they sometimes atleast get to win wea in build they had 0 chance
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u/DuckfordMr 2d ago
What the fuck š¤£