r/Futurology Feb 04 '25

Politics The Billionaire Blueprint to Dismantle Democracy and Build a Digital Nation

I recently came across this video which discusses how the tech leaders may be using the new US administration to achieve their own agenda.

In recent years, a fascinating and somewhat unsettling trend has emerged among Silicon Valley’s tech elite: a push to rethink traditional governance. High-profile figures and venture capitalists are exploring concepts like network states, crypto-driven societies, and even privately governed cities.

Prominent names such as Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and Balaji Srinivasan are leading this charge. Many in this group believe that America is in decline and that the solution isn’t reform but a complete reimagining of society.

Balaji Srinivasan, a former Coinbase CTO and Andreessen Horowitz partner, has been one of the biggest advocates for this idea. He popularized the concept of "network states"—decentralized virtual communities that aim to acquire physical land and eventually function as independent nations. In his book The Network State, Srinivasan outlines a blueprint for running these communities like corporations.

Interestingly, this vision isn’t entirely new. Curtis Yarvin (also known as Mencius Moldbug) first introduced the idea of “Patchwork,” a system where small, corporate-run sovereign territories replace traditional governments. These "patches" would prioritize efficiency over public opinion and maintain control through technologies like biometric surveillance. Although Yarvin's ideas are often described as dystopian, they’ve had a significant influence on thinkers like Peter Thiel.

One of the most developed attempts to create a network state is Praxis, a project backed by Thiel and other major investors. Praxis envisions a global corporate governance model where crypto serves as the primary currency. Similar experiments include Prospera in Honduras and Afropolitan in Africa.

These initiatives are often pitched as promoting freedom and innovation, but critics warn that they risk becoming corporate dictatorships. The heavy use of surveillance technologies, exclusionary policies, and a focus on controlling physical land raise concerns about the true motives behind these projects.

Figures like JD Vance, who openly discusses Yarvin's ideas and has ties to Thiel, further suggest a coordinated effort to reshape governance in America and beyond.

Trump has also floated the idea of "Freedom Cities" on federal land, framed as hubs of imagination and progress. Given his connections to figures like Thiel, there’s a notable overlap between this proposal and Silicon Valley’s vision for privately governed cities.

Silicon Valley’s influence on governance is expanding, and ideas once considered fringe are gaining traction. Some see this as a bold response to outdated systems, and others view it as a dangerous shift toward authoritarian corporate rule.

What are your thoughts on this ? Are we seeing the complete overhaul of the American political system ? And if yes, will "they" win ?

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u/DynamicUno Feb 04 '25

It's a dangerous time. I think your analysis is correct; the tech billionaires are working to overthrow democracy and replace it with their own vision of the future.

I don't think they'll win, but we are in for a rough ride and they can do some damage in the meantime.

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u/Cawdor Feb 04 '25

What makes you think they won’t win? It’s happening in front of us and nobody is doing anything about it.

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u/frigoffbearb Feb 04 '25

That Mario brother tried

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u/Vyntarus Feb 04 '25

Did you see Thiel's reaction when asked about that? Facing that reality terrified the shit out of him so bad he couldn't form a sentence.

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u/frigoffbearb Feb 04 '25

Missed it but doesn’t shock me. There’s a reason all these guys need security. They know they’re fucking with others’ lives and livelihoods.

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u/Heliosvector Feb 04 '25

Mortality is the one true failsafe against fascism.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25

Yeah, but it can take the mortality of millions to denature one fascism. Which, while wholly disproportionate, highlights the axiom that the only good fascist is a denatured fascist. However, even just openly communicating the denaturing of fascists can lead to undesirable consequences within an otherwise intolerant pathology.

(In other words: fascism only has to win once but anti-fascism has to win every time, therefore anti-fascism must always be a brutally pro-active and decisive therapy. Because fascism triumphs when good therapies are denied.)

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u/cainhurstcat Feb 04 '25

Immortality is just a matter of a couple of years in general. If Tech Bros can do as they want, the development will increase drastically, as moral and ethics can be neglected. Together with nearly unlimited fundings and the ability to join the most important forces of humanity, like scientists, this will happen even faster.

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u/Shot-Job-8841 29d ago

There's a difference between stopping the aging process and immortality. We might stop the aging process this century, but we're a long ways away from true immortality.

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u/zeer0dotcom Feb 04 '25

they're trying to fix that through transhumanism.

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u/ConfidentPilot1729 Feb 05 '25

What is transhumanism?

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u/TheCircusSands Feb 04 '25

And those on our side who don't fear death.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

That's why there is a pack of new graduates following into the treasury.

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u/kalirion Feb 04 '25

The competent fascists will shield themselves from it by capitalizing on the mortality of those close to them and their loved ones - see Putin.

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u/HearthFiend Feb 05 '25

Even in victory the god of entropy takes it all

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u/Maybe_Hayley Feb 07 '25

one murder in front of an art school could have saved 50,000,000 lives

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u/RODjij Feb 04 '25

bullets my only weakness, how'd you know

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u/Heliosvector Feb 04 '25

I mean I was moreso just saying old age...

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u/Phenganax Feb 04 '25

Ah yes, and for some reason they think that when the entire country inevitably turns on them that they will somehow escape that John Wick style scenario with a few rent a cops. It only takes one well placed small piece of metal, just one, not ten, not 100, not a thousand, just one. They are nose diving into an empty pool and they’ve convinced themselves there’s water in it….

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u/moorhound Feb 04 '25

Why do you think all of them own remote doomsday bunkers? It want because they were worried about global warming.

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u/stellae-fons Feb 05 '25

Good, they can stay trapped in their doomsday bunkers slowly running out of oxygen while we rebuild the world.

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u/mr_muffinhead Feb 05 '25

Image the locations became public and large groups of people just setup tent camps near them and waited.

The billionaire abandons his bunker and makes another, a new tent camp opens up.

That would probably make them rethink their goals if their plan b turns from 'live it out in a bunker' to 'mobbed and cannibalized by angry wildlings'

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u/PoopingWhilePosting Feb 07 '25

This is why Musk has taken to carrying his toddler meat shield around with him everywhere he goes. It's no surprise that he started it straight after Luigi.

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u/saruin Feb 04 '25

The rat has like 20 bodyguards surrounding him at all times.

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u/Mammoth_Impress_2048 Feb 04 '25

20 is not a very big number in a country with a third of a billion people in it.

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u/stellae-fons Feb 05 '25

Inevitably, they will not be able to trust ANYONE. Not even their precious security and bodyguards.

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u/Clytre Feb 04 '25

Google "Peter Thiel Luigi" in the video tab. First result

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u/throwaway490215 Feb 04 '25

Not just security. An entire (tax funded) defense company that build AI operated warmachines.

I can assure you he uses the tech privately as well.

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u/NotSureBot Feb 04 '25

I think I’ve seen that interview you’re about. It might be fear, but it actually looked to me like prolonged drug abuse. That guy was falling apart at the seams. It’s definitely worth watching that clip that you’re talking about.

Honestly, i think most of these techbroligarchs have some kind of drug induced psychosis that compounds their baseline narcissism or whatever personality disorder they already had. It’s crazy to think that our future is being forged by a bunch of literally crazy drug addicts.

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u/Vyntarus Feb 04 '25

I got the impression Thiel is just terrified of death, and aging. Why else is he so greasy looking and full of botox or whatever trying to look young?

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u/Allaplgy Feb 04 '25

He is. He is absolutely trying to become immortal and rule his own fiefdom as a godking. Dude is bananas.

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u/jim_cap Feb 04 '25

He should start by laying off the drugs, tbh.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

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u/Allaplgy Feb 04 '25

Exactly. There is nothing tangible that these people can not obtain, so the things that feed their narcissistic urges become intangible things like power, immortality, and delusion.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

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u/Allaplgy Feb 04 '25

Steve Bannon is a disgusting man, but he's not dumb.

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u/Roraima20 Feb 05 '25

Bannon he is a terrible human being but is on point on this one

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u/NotSureBot Feb 04 '25

Yeah i don’t disagree that he’s scared and likely scared of aging and death. But i feel like it’s that x100, boosted by serious drugs. That gross oily sheen and inability to even collect his thoughts. That dude is absolutely bananas. I think they all are. Literally insane.

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u/Zyphane Feb 04 '25

It's almost hilarious how these schmucks, our tech messiahs, are are walking exemplars of everything Ted Kaczynski said was wrong with modern man.

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u/WolfBearDoggo Feb 04 '25

Ionno, last time I did uber loads of drawgs, I lost fear of death and felt calm and peace. That aura lasted with me for quite some time.

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u/Dick_Lazer Feb 04 '25

Usually the longer you do drugs on a regular basis the less effective they are though.

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u/WolfBearDoggo Feb 04 '25

That's why you gotta cycle! Bulk and lean and cut!

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u/thegoodbadandsmoggy Feb 04 '25

He has blood boys of course he is

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u/SlowX Feb 04 '25

The opposite of love is fear of death.

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u/XISOEY Feb 04 '25

I think they attend a lot of parties where there's a literal chemist walking around with a cart containing very high-grade drugs of all kinds.

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u/Love_Sausage Feb 04 '25

Ayahuasca retreats are extremely popular among this crowd. God knows what kind of fucked up visions they see and probably follow as a result of thinking their hallucinations are meaningful.

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u/coldpower6 Feb 04 '25

Ayahuasca is a form of therapy. I guarantee you they’re not getting “crypto+surveillance+eugenics” from it. 

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u/NotSureBot Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25

In essence it’s all tinkering with brain chemistry, so i think your mileage may vary. Maybe done in an appropriate setting with appropriate knowledge and guidance and with a person that comes to it with an appropriate mindset it works as a form of therapy.

But i would guess it’s often a tourist photo op these days, given the market for these types of spiritual safari experiences by people that want to throw money at their existential crises. Even in the best case “authentic” scenarios it’s doubtful to me that the locals understand fully what kind of people are showing up and returning to what kind of environment with their minds cracked open after their spiritual cosplay weekend.

We’re talking often about a group of people that may excell in certain areas, for example algorithmic thinking, but could be emotionally stunted due to their drive to optimize their abilities in coding or raise venture capital. They’re in a field where “work fast and break things” and fast tracking a minimum viable product is doctrine. I’m guessing they’re approaching their mind in similar ways to ‘hack’ into it and brute force solve existential fears or else some kind of idea they have in their mind about reaching another level.

There could also be some self medicating happening without any real supervision.

Even if all of the above is just me being synical, and everything is being done appropriately, there’s still the question of whether this kind of mind expanding experience is good for everyone. I would imagine for some it could add to their narcissism and delusions about seeing ‘reality’ better than the normies , leading them to believe they can save humanity. I can definitely see this turning into ends justify the means thinking like the use of surveillance states, stealing data, and removing user privacy.

I think another underlying problem is the idea that a lot of these tech “geniuses” often feel like their ‘genius’ is being hemmed in by rules and regulations because in their minds technology always saves the day if given the opportunity to develop. Just listen to the way guys like musk, zuck, thiel, Andriessen have talked about technology and progress. Adding significant or regular drug use that brushes aside fears and bolsters their personal sense of reality as the truth while having billions and surrounded by yes men can’t end well.

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u/Love_Sausage Feb 04 '25

It obviously fails as a therapy, based on all the tech bros in the process of destroying the world.

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u/coldpower6 Feb 05 '25

According to you, pulling theories out of your ass. 

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u/hehimharrison Feb 04 '25

I've spoken to former silicon valley types - there's a lot of ketamine / adderall abuse. It really makes you wonder if that's having an effect on empathy.

Funny sidenote - Marc Andreessen hates ayahuasca because some of his VCs tried it in the hopes of becoming more productive at work, and subsequently realized that there was more to life than making money.

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u/NotSureBot Feb 05 '25

With the whole “rise and grind” ethos it makes sense that they push themselves with pharmaceuticals without regard to their health. Musk is a known ketamine user and I’m sure all of these dudes are on a cocktail of drugs and hormones. There was an interesting subreddit where ketamine abusers were describing their symptoms and dissociation/visions of grandeur/ lack of empathy were definitely mentioned more than a few times. The dosage makes the therapy but I’m sure most of these guys are self medicating as they please.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

Now that you mentioned drugs…..I did read that Elon Musk has been banned from going into Space X—his own company—because he’s high all the time o. multiple substances. I don’t know if it’s true or not but it would make sense if it was

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u/Original_Scientist35 Feb 04 '25

why they have to forge our future? Isn’t ours?

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u/stellae-fons Feb 05 '25

I've never seen anyone as miserable and paranoid as a too-rich person. Maybe what happens next will be a mercy.

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u/SignalAd9220 Feb 05 '25

It's the same with Musk, just that he enjoys the public attention more, so we can see it unfold in real time. People like Thiel will spiral into insanity in the shadows.

Also, I bet they stay in their weird billionaire-bubble 100% of the time, and everyone just tries to get close to each other for even more money and influence. You have to be paranoid constantly of people trying to use you for their own gain. I doubt they have anyone in their life who deeply cares about them as just a human being, so they have no one who gives them a reality check. Kinda tragic in a way. Would be nice if they wouldn't take out their tragedy on the rest of the world though.

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u/quiladora Feb 04 '25

Psychosis is a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder. The do not need drugs to induce it, unfortunately. And it is terrifying in person.

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u/Ok-Confidence9649 Feb 05 '25

The Assad regime in Syria also produced Captagon, an amphetamine pill, also referred to as “poor man’s cocaine”. It was an international trafficking operation.

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u/sw00pr Feb 04 '25

People who do a lot of acid tend to get real high on themselves. I wonder if microdosing for a long time does the same.

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u/MondaysAtJosephs Feb 04 '25

Friend of a friend interned at one of these planned city things. Basically said that everybody was microdosing all the time.

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u/claimsadj Feb 04 '25

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u/BargePol Feb 04 '25

Those were his mannerisms through the entire hour long interview. Clipping it like this looks like he was stumbling on that question but it was the whole video. Ya'll can find it by searching Piers Morgan + Peter Thiel on youtube.

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u/Slipsonic Feb 04 '25

How high is his blood pressure for those fucking veins on the sides of his head?

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u/moonaim Feb 04 '25

Link, or how to find?

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 Feb 04 '25

the power of going analog

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u/sabotage_son Feb 04 '25

Can you post a link to that? Very interested

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u/Secuter Feb 04 '25

That's the reaction when you realize that you're mortal like the rest of us. All your wealth, influence and power can all be taken away by a random guy with a gun.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

well, he's made himself a top 5. can't blame the proletariat

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u/trefoil589 Feb 11 '25

Oh I'd love to see THAT video.

More than anything right now I want Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Brian Armstrong, Marc Andressen, Ben Horowitz and David Sacks to know that if we can't defend U.S. Democracy from these predators we will damn sure avenge it.

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u/busdriverbudha Feb 11 '25

I know this is an old comment, but I'm late for the party and missed that reaction you mentioned. Could you perhpas link me to it?