r/Futurology Feb 04 '25

Politics The Billionaire Blueprint to Dismantle Democracy and Build a Digital Nation

I recently came across this video which discusses how the tech leaders may be using the new US administration to achieve their own agenda.

In recent years, a fascinating and somewhat unsettling trend has emerged among Silicon Valley’s tech elite: a push to rethink traditional governance. High-profile figures and venture capitalists are exploring concepts like network states, crypto-driven societies, and even privately governed cities.

Prominent names such as Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and Balaji Srinivasan are leading this charge. Many in this group believe that America is in decline and that the solution isn’t reform but a complete reimagining of society.

Balaji Srinivasan, a former Coinbase CTO and Andreessen Horowitz partner, has been one of the biggest advocates for this idea. He popularized the concept of "network states"—decentralized virtual communities that aim to acquire physical land and eventually function as independent nations. In his book The Network State, Srinivasan outlines a blueprint for running these communities like corporations.

Interestingly, this vision isn’t entirely new. Curtis Yarvin (also known as Mencius Moldbug) first introduced the idea of “Patchwork,” a system where small, corporate-run sovereign territories replace traditional governments. These "patches" would prioritize efficiency over public opinion and maintain control through technologies like biometric surveillance. Although Yarvin's ideas are often described as dystopian, they’ve had a significant influence on thinkers like Peter Thiel.

One of the most developed attempts to create a network state is Praxis, a project backed by Thiel and other major investors. Praxis envisions a global corporate governance model where crypto serves as the primary currency. Similar experiments include Prospera in Honduras and Afropolitan in Africa.

These initiatives are often pitched as promoting freedom and innovation, but critics warn that they risk becoming corporate dictatorships. The heavy use of surveillance technologies, exclusionary policies, and a focus on controlling physical land raise concerns about the true motives behind these projects.

Figures like JD Vance, who openly discusses Yarvin's ideas and has ties to Thiel, further suggest a coordinated effort to reshape governance in America and beyond.

Trump has also floated the idea of "Freedom Cities" on federal land, framed as hubs of imagination and progress. Given his connections to figures like Thiel, there’s a notable overlap between this proposal and Silicon Valley’s vision for privately governed cities.

Silicon Valley’s influence on governance is expanding, and ideas once considered fringe are gaining traction. Some see this as a bold response to outdated systems, and others view it as a dangerous shift toward authoritarian corporate rule.

What are your thoughts on this ? Are we seeing the complete overhaul of the American political system ? And if yes, will "they" win ?

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u/davereeck Feb 04 '25

Did you ever read Snowcrash by Neal Stephenson? They're talking about the BurbClaves.

The goal isn't to re-imagine the United States - it's to crash the federal government. Dissolve it, and establish Micro-states in its place.

It's high school Ayn Randianism, being pushed by the wealthiest people in the world with zero accountability.

Imagine the United Chicago South-Side Networked state, 'owned' by one of these dudes. They want to run them like businesses: they set the rules (Terms of Citizenship) - if you don't like it, leave. Microstates with bad rules will dwindle, the good ones will grow. If you're busy patting yourself on the back for making a shit ton of money you'd see yourself as the best kind of benevolent dictator: why not just make it real?

This is the plot line of dozens of dystopian stories.

How far could this realistically go? Honestly, I think not nearly as far as their vision. There are a bunch of Microstates in the world today (Zealand, and hilariously Vatican City). The note above about 'Freedom Cities' on federal land sounds pretty plausible. Devolving to something like Oryx & Crake, Elysium), or Blade Runner 2049 seems rather far fetched. But the thing standing between us & those kinds of outcomes is mostly the bureaucratic inertia of the U. S. Government. And from what I hear - it's under pretty serious attack.

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u/TheCassiniProjekt Feb 04 '25

How do those microstates hold up against nation states like China et al who will exploit that division?

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u/manyouzhe Feb 04 '25

They will not hold up at all. They will be eaten one by one.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

That’s probably the goal

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u/manyouzhe Feb 04 '25

Could be, considering Musk’s relationship to Russia and China.

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u/SpungyDanglin69 Feb 05 '25

The fall of time is rhapsody

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u/800Volts Feb 05 '25

I don't think it'll be one by one. It'll be handfuls at a time like m&ms

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u/davereeck Feb 04 '25

Great question - I'm sure if you dig into the plans deep enough you'll find some vastly reduced federal state that's responsible for defense, roads, financial transactions, and as you point out: International Trade negotiation.

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u/Technical_Builder830 Feb 05 '25

I would assume that if these tech oligarchs have any brains at all they would distribute nukes to pre selected "freedom cities" to ensure their sovereignty against foreign powers. Either that or continue to prop up the US as a zombie state to provide them with a nuclear umbrella

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u/underwearfanatic Feb 05 '25

I think it is more akin to Mad Max to where each microstate runs a critical sector to a degree.

In this case though they would simply band together with agreements. Example, the military microstates in Texas would agree to protect the non-military ones for something in exchange.

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u/Brave-Quote-5478 Feb 04 '25

I think this is a strategic move against China, in all honesty. It is very out of the box, which will make the subsequent Chinese move especially intriguing.

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u/Cintax Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25

It's really not. Microstates have existed throughout history and they inevitably eat each other through infighting or are conquered by larger unified nations. It's an incredibly naive governance model that ignores virtually all historical precedent.

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u/bzb321 Feb 05 '25

Isn’t this literally feudalism, but modernized?

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u/Cintax Feb 05 '25

Correct. But they all think they'll be the feudal lords, so that makes it a good thing.

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u/sybrwookie Feb 04 '25

You know what else is very out of the box? Launching all our nukes at ourselves.

"Out of the box" doesn't mean it's a good move.

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u/Nummylol Feb 04 '25

Reinventing the feudal system.

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u/HermeticHeliophile Feb 04 '25

Yes except there are superpower nations now. They want to split up the US into a dozen or more micro states all competing against each other economically and, inevitably, militarily. This plays right into the hands of superpowers like China who would sit back and let them fight each other for a while then march in and annihilate them all. This is a plan cooked up by immense hubris stuffed into puny minds.

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u/Nummylol Feb 04 '25

For sure. I'm fully expecting China to become the new global power for another few centuries.

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u/TotakekeSlider Feb 04 '25

Historically they have been throughout all of human history. The century of humiliation was merely a broken link in the chain.

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u/FirstFriendlyWorm Feb 04 '25

People always forget that without a leviathan, it's not "best buisness wins", it's "biggest army wins".

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u/No-Body6215 Feb 04 '25

Yeah decentralization of the US into micro states opens the door for China or Russia to be have the superior army.

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u/Raangz Feb 04 '25

Leviathan in this context is what?

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u/FirstFriendlyWorm Feb 04 '25

The executive arm of a government. The institution that owns the monopoly of force, enforces the rules, punishes criminals and decides conflicts between citizens.

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u/OK_TimeForPlan_L Feb 04 '25

A lot of the world would love a balkanization of the US, that would be the beginning of the end of its global influence.

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u/trade-craft Feb 04 '25

This is why the current gaggle of US oligarchs favours the breakup of the EU.

They would rather compete with small, individual states that one unified block.

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u/Conscious-Advance163 Feb 04 '25

2020 was the beginning of the end of US global influence

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u/NoConfusion9490 Feb 04 '25

if you don't like it, leave.

Except, that's the first rule to go. You can't have a brutally overworked population who's allowed to leave. You'll end up an indentured servant, working to pay off your great grandparents debt, while driving up your own debt that they'll make you have children to pay.

They think the one thing holding humanity back is that they're not allowed to force the lazy to work themselves to the bone.

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u/Boxy310 Feb 04 '25

Also, joining another country as a citizen normally involves giving up your previous citizenship. Divvying up the US into city-states would cause a migrant/refugee crisis the likes of which not seen since the Iron Curtain went up.

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u/davereeck Feb 04 '25

From my limited reading: 'Easy Exit' is pretty core to the theology.

Not saying that doesn't devolve into slavery after year or two...

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u/Duke_of_Luffy Feb 04 '25

kinda reminds me of outer heaven or outer haven from the metal gear games. its creepy how much those games, particularly MGS1 and MGS2, predicted some of the dystopia we're living in today. we're getting to the point where MGS4 might come true as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYBod0ge3Y

here's a video that goes into some of the predictions that MGS2 made

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u/Glittering_Set6017 Feb 04 '25

So just like a shitty large scale hoa

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u/davereeck Feb 04 '25

Lol.

I can't believe I live in the Escape From New York timeline

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u/adponce Feb 04 '25

 crash the federal government

They'll succeed with this part.

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u/hehimharrison Feb 04 '25

Network states already do have land and millions of dollars in investment. Establishing these states is an ongoing project. I really wish it was a bad dystopian novel, but it's real. Venture Capital Extremism — Venture Capital Status Glad that folks are waking up to this possibility though - an army of NIMBYs is needed soon to block the dumbshit company towns :]

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u/Small_Dog_8699 Feb 07 '25

This great website "Venture Capital Extremism" lays out their plans. They want a networked state of government free zones. They've been acquiring land. Prospera in Roatan Honduras is the most advanced but that story about buying land east of San Franciso is another part of it.

https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism

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u/sukezanebaro Feb 04 '25

Sounds more like The Outer Worlds than anything

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

Embrace your new corporate overlord commie!

https://i.gifer.com/6a3G.gif

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u/mr_muffinhead Feb 05 '25

Are these things being discussed in other areas? Subreddits or other forums?

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u/Level-Insect-2654 Feb 05 '25

Yeah, the awareness and the video the OP shared in the link is being spread in many different subreddits and on YouTube.

That being said, many people still complain about Trump and Musk, but don't know about Peter Thiel and the Dark Enlightenment guys.

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u/davereeck Feb 05 '25

You might check out r/advice animals J/k

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u/Comicalacimoc Feb 05 '25

You mean growing like with immigration ? Like to the US now because we have had good rules?

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u/davereeck Feb 05 '25

Yes - I think that's a good way of thinking about it.

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u/Saikoujikan Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

How much do you want to bet one of the ways they’ll disincentivise leaving is by paying your salary in a bespoke currency that only has value within the microstate?

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u/davereeck Feb 06 '25

Ah yes, the old company store trick

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u/gibbitz Feb 07 '25

This is actually exactly what our founding fathers did to England. They wanted power without being born into it because they were rich. They got far enough away so that England couldn't stop them and they started the US. Now the rich have been weakening the US government through campaign finance and lobbyists and have finally gotten an ineffectual and inexperienced boob in power and put him in their back pocket so they can do the same. Money can't buy happiness but it sure can buy power. Well played 1%, well played...

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u/davereeck Feb 07 '25

You're right, with one major change: the Founding Fathers took over land from (Native) Americans. The way I read it is They want to take over land from the Contemporary United States.

For the analogy to really stick, the Founding Fathers would have had to take over Manchester, England and declare it the Sovereign State of New Musk, while getting King George to foster the same operation in 20 other burgs.

Which makes it far less plausible I think...