r/GIMP • u/_PersistentRumor • 17h ago
Is Anyone Else Frustrated With 3.0?
I'm an amateur, at best, but it seems much harder to do very easy things. Something as simple as linking layers so I can move them together seems to have become much harder to do. I know it could be me, but this update, long in the making, seems to be a step backwards for some functions.
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u/AnyPortInAHurricane 16h ago
Im no expert, but all you need to do to move layers together is select them at the same time (ctrl, left click)
no big deal
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u/_PersistentRumor 16h ago
It's not a big deal, but it's annoying. Selecting them is the easy part. Moving them together changed. I've selected layers but if I then click and hold any of them, they separate and only one moves. If I use arrows to move them, they all move together. I thought it was better when I could click a box next to each layer to link them, then move them any way I wanted to. They never separated before.
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u/Scallact 14h ago
There are only two options for the move tool.
The first one allows you to choose what to move, layers, selection or paths.
The second one says let you opt for:
- Pick a layer or guide
- Move the selected layers
When you have an issue, always look at the tool options dialog first. ;-) That is also true for GIMP 2.10.
You can save and reselect the selected layers set at any time by clicking on the text "N items selected" with a magnifying glass icon.
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u/_PersistentRumor 14h ago
That's how I had it set. It's possible it changed in the upgrade. I'll check. Thank you.
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u/im_a_fucking_artist 14h ago
if I then click and hold any of them, they separate and only one moves
weird, not on mine. shifl/ctrl all works like normal, can move them anywhere
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u/_PersistentRumor 14h ago
I'll have to see if the upgrade changed the defaults I set. User error is the most likely culprit. However, having to hold ctrl instead of just clicking the links is annoying. I suppose holding shift and selecting a series is easier. I'm sure I'll either figure it out or switch to darktable. :-D
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u/schumaml GIMP Team 4h ago
You can save multiple different sets of selected layers, name them and switch between them in the Layers dialog via the magnifying glass icon, where you can also search for layers by name.
Ctrl+Click and Shift+Click are well-established ways to select multiple items in many applications, so this was a much requested feature for layers in GIMP, after all.
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u/Maxeemtoons 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yes but I was frustrated with the late 2.10 as well. I think each version just takes some getting used to. And of course they need to work out bugs with simple dropdowns freezing the program, layer changes being buggy, the undo seeming to occasionally destroy the action history making editing a scary experience unless you save frequently — and the export function is delayed so much now I need to hit Ctrl+E and then go do something else for a bit while it thinks about exporting LOL
I think my main learning curve is how to turn off non-destructive editing. I would be happier with not having to do the extra step of applying changes, since I prefer the workflow of GIMP 2. In fact I think I'll try to install both and just use GIMP 2 when I want to work really fast and GIMP 3 when I want to gradually learn more about the new workflow. (And help them debug by reporting bugs)
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u/schumaml GIMP Team 4h ago
There's a Merge checkbox in the NDE filter dialogs, this should do what you want.
Regarding the other issues you are describing, you should make sure that they are reported.
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u/Decembered 5h ago
I kept 2.10 along with 3.0. Kudos to devs for the ability to select the whole stack of layers. Sadly, the old CF of the built-in browser saw no improvement.
Loading time is much longer in 3.0, and Waterpixels filter option, notoriously slowish in 2.10, consumed my laptop entire memory and crashed the system in 3.0, although the image was like 2k x 2k, not that big.
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u/schumaml GIMP Team 4h ago
What built-in browser are you referring to?
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u/Decembered 4h ago
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u/schumaml GIMP Team 4h ago
Ah, the file dialogs.
This will likely only change once we move to GTK 4. The issue report to subscribe to for updates is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/1830
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u/LinoleumFulcrum 13h ago
I’m still using 2.10, IIRC.
Once this sub turns into comments about how awesome 3 is, I’ll make the switch.
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u/_PersistentRumor 13h ago
Ha. Makes sense. :-D I still have the previous version installed, which surprised me, but when I'm in a hurry, it's better for me.
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u/ConversationWinter46 10h ago edited 9h ago
Poor you. For over a year, there have been video tutorials in various languages on how the functions have changed. For over two years, gimp.org has documented how the features have changed and how to use them. You act as if gimp is the only software that has fundamentally changed after an update, and as if this has never happened with other software.
I'm sorry, if you're interested in graphics editing, you should be interested in the features. Especially after major updates.
This post may sound rude, but that's exactly how I feel about these frustration threads.
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u/schumaml GIMP Team 15h ago
You're making sure to switch the Move tool to "Move selected layers" when moving multiple selected layers?
With the ability to have more than one layer being treated as active, the Move tool picking the layer based on non-transparent pixels you are clicking on - a pretty intuitive behavior in most cases - and throw you off until you get the hang of it.