Luckily for you I'm Ukrainian who's been living in America and understand that letting the fascist state of Russia do what they please with my people is what being pro-war means. The correct response is to fund and aid the Ukrainian military to fizzle invasions until they fail to further discourage violence and prevent more of it from occuring.
Peace talks? Negotiations? Do you think they haven’t tried that already? Even early in the war look at what they did to negotiate with Russia:
Ukraine agreed to 4 of 6 of Russia demands. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/25/7334493/index.amp They agreed not to join NATO, to make Russian an official language of Ukraine, to make some effort to “demilitarize” as vague as that is and other vague military concessions. They agreed also on a dialogue on the status of Crimea They refused to let Russia annex Donetsk and Luhansk.
But as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated in a July interview with his country’s state media, this compromise is no longer an option. Even giving Russia all of the Donbas is not enough. “Now the geography is different,” Lavrov asserted, in describing Russia’s short-term military aims. “It’s also Kherson and the Zaporizhzhya regions and a number of other territories.” The goal is not negotiation, but Ukrainian capitulation.
What is Ukraine meant to negotiate away? Not just that, who’s to say Russia won’t break their peace treaty when they’ve already been shown to break and lie about all their other ones? Why do you believe Russia would act in good faith for this peace treaty when they haven’t shown to in anyway. What would you say if Russia invaded Ukraine again? After they’ve resupplied and recovered thanks to the ceasefire. Would you support arming Ukraine then? After Russia has a better opportunity to take over?
What do you define as a “peace treaty” here? Follow through with the hypothetical.
This. it blows my mind how so many people can say these peace talks were sabotaged by outside influence when Russia (Putin) has been a bad faith actor since day 1
Uhm go back? Fight for your country? Stop asking for my tax dollars though please. Survival of the fittest bitch. If your country can't support itself, why should someone save it? I'd trade the entire country of Ukraine for socialized medicine in the us 🤷♂️ kind like how ukraine treats its Ethiopian immigrants, ya know? Get the fuck outta my country please, chekov. Go fight for ukraine.
This still doesn't make sense. There are fighters in Ukraine with Nazi insignia, but Russia are Nazis? Why aren't the Azov fighters fighting for Russia?
Then you're still supporting a bad group of people.
You're also implying that the US are a benevolent force, supporting victims without their own agenda. That a mistake! The war wouldn't be happening if it weren't for US flexing their muscles in the region.
Edit: Lol I got banned for calling you a Tankie even though that doesn't break the rules. What a fucking cuck move from the mod.
I don't necessarily consider any of that Tankie behavior. Hasan is a reformist but he's willing to discuss with Tankies. That doesn't make him a Tankie.
He’s been on the Deprogram podcast, who’s hosts support a nuanced view on Cuba, the USSR, Stalin, North Korea and China.
He reacts to their YouTube videos on his show, giving them full support and promoting their channels. Seems like a weird thing for someone who’s not pro-tankie to do.
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u/Captain_FartBreath Sep 25 '23
Consider, perhaps, that both Russian imperialists and Ukranian Nazis are bad.