r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates Jan 14 '25

resource The problem with "raising awareness"

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https://ssir.org/articles/entry/stop_raising_awareness_already

abundant research shows that people who are simply given more information are unlikely to change their beliefs or behavior, it’s time for activists and organizations seeking to drive change in the public interest to move beyond just raising awareness. It wastes a lot of time and money for important causes that can’t afford to sacrifice either. Instead, social change activists need to use behavioral science to craft campaigns that use messaging and concrete calls to action that get people to change how they feel, think, or act, and as a result create long-lasting change.

A short while ago I made a post in this community bemoaning the fact that I have yet to see any meaningful advocacy. The resounding response was that this community served to raise awareness and share information. And that this was the best thing we as advocates could be doing.

This I am sorry to say is wrong. And the above article delves into why that is.

There’s a potentially life-threatening gulf between being aware of the importance of being prepared for a hurricane and actually having several cases of water set aside and an escape plan that your entire family knows and understands.

Real change requires real activism. And I for one would like to see some of the issues I have faced as a man resolved within my lifetime.

So I wanted to share this with the community to try and "change minds"

Because we have the power to enact real lasting change if we go about it in a strategic and focused way.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates Dec 29 '24

discussion Progressive Male Advocacy Discord Server: A Community for Informed Conversations on Men's Issues

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Hello everyone,

We're excited to introduce the Progressive Male Advocacy Discord server, a growing community dedicated to discussing men's issues from a left-wing, egalitarian perspective. This server is NOT an official server for the subreddit, and the topics of interest have a difference in emphasis.

Our discussions often overlap with topics found on /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates, including but not limited to IPV, male conscription, the empathy gap, mens' mental health, MGM, sexual violence, harmful societal expectations of men. Our aim is to blend a commitment to progressive politics with a focus on men's rights. We are not about being "disillusioned progressives", but rather progressives trying to extend progressive ideas to more people and beyond where they've ever gone before.

From a progressive perspective, there is much to be said about mens rights that has gone unsaid. It is our belief that many of the most severe issues men have faced historically are entrenched in traditional legal, geopolitical, institutional, social structures. These structures/systems must be challenged.

We promote fostering a wide range of academic interests. This not only promotes diverse conversations but also equips our members to be more effective advocates for men's issues. In contrast to the standard "venting" style of engagement with mens rights content, we want to promote a more logical, scientific focus on rectifying inequality. We seek to actively gather knowledge and develop a more evidence-based platform in support of men and gender equality.

Our Moderation Philosophy:

To ensure thoughtful and respectful discourse, our server employs stricter moderation than usual. We recognise that our approach may not be for everyone, and we're okay with that. We expect people to be emotionally mature who can manage their interpersonal relations.

What we're looking for

  • People who are motivated to bring new ideas to the two topics of political progressivism and mens rights and create new frameworks for both.

  • Scientifically minded individuals. People with an appetite for conversations grounded in evidence and who want to develop their own knowledge and challenge existing paradigms.

  • Politically aligned individuals. People from a range of left wing backgrounds who want to develop their broad political views in tandem with views on gender.

  • Genuine curiosity. Those with a desire to explore topics listed above in great detail, who want to help research, and make mens rights a more educational experience, as opposed to something that is dark and gloomy.

  • Human skills. People who generally enjoy having discussions, debates, challenging themselves and who want to help others do the same.

  • Content analysis. We want people who are willing to go through content relating to mens rights and/or progressive issues and give summaries & breakdowns in order to inform discussion and the wider community

  • Individuals interested or knowledgeable on politics, philosophy and economics who want to deepen the discussion.

What we're NOT looking for

  • 'Manosphere' views. The redpill, blackpill/incel ideologies are toxic belief systems that push sexism and essentialism against both genders. Nihilism about advocacy here is rejected, we aim to make positive social change. This server is NOT about dating, relationships or spreading 'just-so story' evopsych narratives. We believe that scientific theories should be falsifiable and testable. The 'manosphere' trivialises and bastardises male issues. So if you are uncritical about your beliefs, please show yourself out.

  • Right wing promoters. Sorry not sorry, but this is a left wing space. We oppose beliefs that enforce traditional gender roles, promoting biological essentialism, reject social progress, promote religion as the social solution, run defence for colonialism/imperialism, or engage in concern trolling that makes advocacy and activism more difficult. This is NOT a server of disaffected leftists appealing to the right or becoming "enlightened" centrists. Quite the opposite. It is about pushing for a more pro-male, anti-conservative perspective, maintaining informed criticism of all groups.

  • Bigotry. There is zero tolerance for racism, sexism (misandry & misogyny), and anti-LGBT sentiments on our server. Beyond that, there is no defence for pro-colonial, chauvinistic sentiment, such as support for Israel's occupation of Palestine or the Russian invasion in this server.

  • Toxic Feminism. We encourage feminists who show knowledge, interest and care for mens issues and want to contribute positively to the discussion. However, we are not looking for minimisation of, denial or hostility towards mens issues. Excuse makers for misandry, gendercrits and TERFs are not permitted. Demanding feminists who require that we adopt their preferred lens of analysis are not appreciated.

  • Tankies & Zionists. We are against genocide, genocide denial and defending dictators. Self-explanatory.

  • MensLib. This server is NOT about "deradicalisation" concern trolling or sidelining male issues in to vague "masculinity" commentary. We care about concrete problems that men face. Go and sort out your grievances with the manosphere. Hopefully you two can cancel each other out. We have better things to think about than either of you.

  • Defeatism & Nihilism. This space is NOT for demoralising ourselves about how hopeless everything is. It is about productively adding to the conversation of mens issues in a way that helps others. If being a nihilist/defeatist is how you prefer to spend your time, then this place is not for you, and we wish you well!

Join Us!

Link: https://discord.gg/ytzQFNjt7Z

Whether you have extensive knowledge in specific areas related to men's rights or you're just starting to explore these topics, we welcome you to our community. Let's learn, discuss, and grow together as advocates for men's rights and progressive ideals.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6h ago

discussion LeftWingMaleAdvocates top posts and comments for the week of March 30 - April 05, 2025

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Sunday, March 30 - Saturday, April 05, 2025

Top 10 Posts

score comments title & link
84 7 comments [resource] Does anybody have reliable data on male victims of domestic violence? Eurostat only has data on female victims.
3 1 comments [discussion] LeftWingMaleAdvocates top posts and comments for the week of March 23 - March 29, 2025

 

Top 10 Comments

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175 /u/Successful-Wheel4768 said Seriously, i'm so sick of it as one of those "lonely men". I'm getting Joker flashbacks from this. It've been hearing messaging like this for years. It's always about how much of a potential threat i ...
140 /u/TheRealMasonMac said 10 years later: Why are Gen Alpha men turning right? Who could have possibly seen this? Let's ask 5 women to find out why! Boys, like anyone else, want to be seen rather than compared to these carica...
121 /u/RecreationalPorpoise said 1 in 6 men will kill you? Clearly some well researched and unbiased logic there.
116 /u/ByronsLastStand said "Would you call a man who cared about women's rights a 'pick-me'? No. " "Gee, stop being so obsessed with the sex life you imagine me to have, it's creepy." "Can't handle a woman with her own opinio...
108 /u/LolwhatYesme said Showing that in schools is a clearly terrible idea. It frames teenage boys through the lens of a murder drama, essentially treating them as potential criminals. It's patronising and harmful to make yo...
102 /u/jessi387 said He didn’t. Young men voted for him because Kamala and the Democrats doubled down on their anti-male rhetoric. It was a fuck you to them
97 /u/ZealousidealCrazy393 said When you say women don't need men but men need women, what exactly are you referring to? What is it that men need from women that women don't need from men? I applaud you for realizing that raising b...
91 /u/StandardFaire said > TV Show idea: #NotAllSnakes, where men who say “Not All Men” are introduced to a variety of snakes. Not all of them are venomous. Anyone who actually knows anything about snakes knows that not o...
82 /u/WeEatBabies said Tell them that insults are the last resort of the people who run out of arguments. Thus making you right.
74 /u/BoredRedhead24 said Honestly I’m just glad that you are willing to look at the issue from our perspective

 


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 20h ago

discussion Let's be clear about Jordan Peterson ...

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https://www.youtube.com/@JordanBPeterson/videos

I am old enough to remember JP when he launched onto the scene. He was fairly reasonable.

But I want you to look at his (8m views) YouTube channel and you tell me if it is in any way left wing adjacent

I'm from the UK. He seems to obsess over us.

I just saw a comment here in support of him on my last post and then asking why it is wrong of him to speak to Tommy Robinson. https://youtu.be/Bv0TW2LF_dE?si=WOxoi4u2YPtBSDpx

Idk how many of you are British but Tommy Robinson is a far right thug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson The whole video is about grooming gangs.

Let's be clear here: Robinson almost collapsed 2 grooming trials. He's a ****.

He has also spoken to our conservative party leader: https://youtu.be/FdD75q6erHw?si=_FtsdeoBriWd9h7K

He is an out and out right winger, bordering on far right now.

He may have once been ok around whenever it was - 2018ish.

I lose all my faith in this beautiful sub if you condone this clown.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 23h ago

discussion How do you respond to "men will only listen to other men"?

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I always thought this was a BS phrase. But I still can't fully explain why though. A part of me thinks it's just mental gymnastics, Feminists do to justify men adhering to traditional gender roles like defending women in the disguise of men using their "male privilege" to help women.

For example, men have to call out misogyny from other men in the work place. Because men won't listen to women in the workplace. And will talk over women in the workplace.

Again I never understood this perspective. Sure men are viewed as more as "leaders/authority" than women.

A: Even Feminists themselves play into that narrative with their Cakism. When they take away women agency and autonomy whenever it's convenient. Therefore putting the expectation of men to be adults. And then they wonder why women aren't taken seriously.

B: I'm still sure that most men won't flat out ignored what a woman says. And will listen to any female authority figure or coworker. Of course this depends on context. If a female coworker doesn't want me talking to her, I'm going to listen. But if a female coworker expects to do her job for her, of course I'm going to not listen to that. Man or woman lol.

Again this just seems like an excuse for Feminists to make men adhere to traditional gender roles. Where they don't want women to do all the hard work of standing up for themselves. Because they expect men to do that.

They just won't admit that. And hide behind excuses like "men only listen to other men" or "muh male privilege".


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

discussion Men were more lonely but now articles say women are more lonely. Why the change?

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A survey of U.S. adults from December 2021 found that 57 percent of men and 59 percent of women felt lonely. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1420227/loneliness-among-adults-us-by-gender/).

From unscientific sources I had developed the impression that men suffered from loneliness more than women. Suddenly that seems to have changed.

I want data and opinions about this change.

Anecdotally, I look at my neighbors and friends and believe loneliness effects men more. A specific example is a neighbor. Over the last 20 years, while I've been isolated for the most part, she has had 2 boyfriends and regularly host her girlfriends for social gatherings.

I'm a 70M and the only two friends (both males) I regularly saw are both dead. I raised my two children and see them occasionally, they are my reason for living. I devoted 15 years of the last 20 years to raising them.

BTW, being the male responsible parent that raised my children seems like a negative in the eyes of women. It certainly doesn't get me any pats on the back!


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

Essay Understanding Misandry Through Homophobia

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I compare misandry with homophobia a lot because it is useful to do so. I've been able to make sense of one through the other, and I want to put these experiences and conclusions into words.

While neither of them are fun, it has been my encounters with misandry that have left me with the most emotional harm to sort through. That may seem strange since I grew up in a conservative area and was raised in a fundamentalist Christian community. One would assume homophobia would be more prevalent in that environment. Yet misandry was even less controversial in my community than homophobia.

Many conservative Christian parents made an effort to prevent their kids being exposed to anything related to homosexuality because they did not want their kids to know about homosexuality. When their kids grew a little older and learned about homosexuality, some parents would scold their kids for using gay slurs they might have heard elsewhere, not just because they did not want their kids understanding anything about sexuality, but also because some did genuinely value being nice to others. When I was old enough, my Christian parents explained homosexuality was a sin, but that Jesus still died for homosexuals. For many Christians, the principle of "love the sinner" applied even to homosexuals. No such concession was ever made for men facing misandry in my culture, or any other culture that I was ever aware of in the west.

Christians around me would laugh at men being physically abused by their wives in sitcoms but change the channel immediately if a gay character showed up in order to protect their children from what they saw as harmful content, even if the gay character wasn't doing anything but just existing. The significance that gays had, even if it was negative, was more than the significance men had. Gay identity was dangerous, but male identity was just a joke. Gays were something while men were nothing.

When I was much younger, I had always felt some sense of shame and dread about being masculine. I didn't understand it then, but I do now. I had seen that it was men who were subjected to violence and abuse on TV, and it was considered funny. I had seen the books like "Are Men Necessary" on shelves. I had grown up around the "Boys Are Stupid, Throw Rocks At Them" merchandise you could buy at the mall. I had a scar on my penis where my foreskin had been removed without my consent. Three decades later, broader society is only now stirring to question whether some or all of these things might be worth considering as serious issues, whereas our verdict on homophobia being a bad thing has been settled for decades.

Hate Is Hate

The fight for gay marriage rights in the US yielded a slogan that gained widespread popularity: "Love Is Love."

The message behind this slogan was that gay love was just as valid as heterosexual love and deserved the same respect. I also believe that "Hate Is Hate." That means misandry is just as wrong as misogyny and deserves the same condemnation.

If we are to deal with misandry for what it is, we have to unapologetically recognize that it is pure bigotry. It is not acceptable under any context. It has no merits. Because misandry has infected all our major institutions and is incubated and defended by feminism (much like homophobia is bolstered by religion) the fight against misandry is not an easy one.

Perpetrators of misandry attempt to justify their hate by creating a guilty association between men and the existence of problems that plague society. They say men are the cause of violence, war, rape, and so on. This is familiar to me from what I saw done to gays throughout my life.

Gays collectively have been blamed for things they did not collectively do. They were accused of wanting things they did not want, such as to "recruit" people's kids and turn them gay, wanting to destroy Christian society, wanting to molest children, wanting to force their "lifestyle" on others. Society has learned it was wrong to treat gay people this way. Today, anyone painting gays with such a broad brush is labeled a homophobe, and it doesn't even matter if some gays actually are child molesters or violent radicals. It is implicitly understood by most of western society that it is not acceptable to judge the entire group by what some do. Society has yet to reach that same conclusion for how it views and treats men.

Gays being a tiny minority and men being half the population might call into question the idea that we can deal with both forms of hatred the same way. As a gay person, I could always claim underdog status, but some might say I am unable to do that as a man. Since men are half the population, and they are perceived to be inherently privileged due to their sex, society is not always willing to hear men talk about their struggles and disadvantages. Their story does not have the "David versus Goliath" drama that the story of gay liberation has. But that does not mean the story of men's struggle is less valid. Society has tricked men into believing that problems which affect them because they are men are not as important as problems that affect women. Even if sometimes I still feel inside like the hate and discrimination I face as a man is less urgent than what I've experienced as a gay person, I do not allow myself to listen to those feelings.

For the men and boys reading this, no matter who you are, what you look like, or where you came from, the pain you experience when you're subjected to abuse because of your maleness is real and valid. There is never an excuse for hatred directed at a person's innate attributes. Do not allow yourself to be told otherwise. Tolerating hate does not help anyone. I lived through decriminalization of gay sex, legalization of gay marriage, and the extension of the Civil Rights Act to gay people, and at no point was it ever necessary for me as a gay person to abuse a heterosexual person in order to advance my interests. That would've made me more of an asshole than an activist. Any person justifying open hatred or dismissal of another person because of some "privilege" is being a villain.

You Can't Hide

Growing up, one of the things I heard so many homophobic people casually say was, "Why can't gays just keep it to themselves?" Homosexuality was seen as a threat to the family unit, to children, and to public morals. The gay community was ravaged by mental health problems, AIDS, and drugs. The problems gays faced, the homophobes said, were quite obviously self-inflicted and no sane person would want to normalize such dysfunction and self-destruction. The idea that gay people were struggling due to society's unwillingness to accommodate them was not viable for homophobes intent on casting homosexuality itself as the cause of the dysfunction.

Today, it is men's problems which we are told are self-inflicted both at the individual level and as a group. Men are told to stop whining and fix their own problems. Men are told that patriarchy is the cause of our systemic problems, and since patriarchy is built for men by men, our problems are self-inflicted. The idea that things have been done to us because we're men is not taken seriously. Dysfunction is a feature of masculinity according to the misandrist, as dysfunction is a feature of gayness according to the homophobe.

I tried to keep both my gayness and my masculinity to myself in the way that I thought I was supposed to. Both have been considered ominous signs by society that I am diseased or destructive. I can hide being gay if I choose, but I do not have that same advantage when it comes to being a man.

Masculinity is under constant scrutiny, being policed in a figurative and literal sense. Men have to be careful how they express masculinity so as not to make women feel unsafe or annoyed. Men have to be careful not to get the cops called on them by a woman who feels threatened or angry. Men have to be careful how they look at, talk to, sit near, ride on the elevator with, and talk about women. Men have to be careful to not even appear as though they aren't thinking about women's issues at all times. So many male advocates, like Richard Reeves, begin each conversation about men's issues with an apology for momentarily failing to center women's issues and a promise that men do not want to take anything away from women. I and so many other gay people had to offer similar apologies over the years for using oxygen to talk about ourselves and assure others that we did not want to take away their rights or harm their children in our pursuit of equality and respect. The group having to make constant apologies is usually not the aggressor, despite the accusations from those demanding the apology.

I've discussed misandry with men who've told me they soften or pitch their voices up a bit when speaking to women to appear less threatening, even when talking to women they know very well. Men have told me they try to take up as little space as possible to feel less imposing to women. They conceal their authentic male perspectives and thoughts around women to avoid causing offense. They tolerate hate and abuse to avoid accusations of weeping privileged "male tears." They avoid being alone with women because they see that as giving women too much power to say something happened when it did not. They are then mocked for their caution as though fearing false accusations is like believing the Earth is flat.

Is this really that different from me feeling pressured to suppress my gayness? I've stepped back from Christians' toddlers because I know some of those Christians have said homosexuals are akin to child molesters. I've remained silent while straight peers around me discussed sex because a gay man's experiences of sex might be offensive or gross to them. I've chosen to answer the question, "Do you have a girlfriend?" with a simple "no," rather than reveal that I am gay for fear of judgment.

It is absurd and offensive to pretend like demonizing one aspect of my identity (homosexuality) is bigotry while demonizing another (masculinity) is progressivism. I don't want to conceal or change either of those things to appease somebody else.

The truth is, no matter how hard you try, keeping it to yourself is still not good enough for the bigots. Gays had no choice but to keep it to themselves when it was a crime to be gay. When they disappeared deep into their secret gay clubs and gay bars, the outside world that wanted so badly for them to keep to themselves followed gay people into their sanctuaries to root them out and imprison them for the crime of being different behind closed doors.

Today, many men are attempting to retreat from a society that does not love them but still refuses to let them go, because letting them go would mean losing control of them. Men retreat into their own spaces and communities where they can be who they want without judgment, but women and feminists follow closely behind, more suspicious than ever that those problematic men have something to hide. Some men will try to change as much as they can to satisfy what is being required of them, but in doing so they are no longer themselves. They are a derivative work commissioned by their critics to fix what was seen as wrong with the original.

Feminist misandrists write articles about us men, infiltrate our spaces, and dissect our ideas and values like anthropologists studying a remote tribe. They scrutinize our posture. They scan every word for any undertone of defiance or danger. The feminists fear that misogyny always lurks just beneath the surface. Nothing is safe. The things that men are most attracted to become the things that are the most suspicious. Working out, sports, video games, porn... You never know where radicalization and misogyny will pop up next. The misandrist, like the homophobe, is vigilant in searching for danger and will imagine they see it just about everywhere.

Coming Out

When I came out as gay, it did not go over well with my family. There was some yelling and crying that happened that day. Not long after I came out, a book appeared in my parents' house about the process of turning a gay person into a straight person through the power of prayer and Bible study. The best part of all, the book proclaimed, was that gays would find much more happiness being straight.

The Christian homophobe wanting to "help" a gay person is like the feminist misandrist wanting to "help" a man. If you'd just give the bigot a chance to explain, they'd tell you that wanting to remake you into something they find more tolerable is as much for your benefit as theirs. Being so much smarter than you, the bigot knows what's best for you.

This message of "redemption" resonates with some to whom it is offered. There are gay people who have volunteered for conversion therapy because they believe it is wrong or undesirable to be gay. There are men who alienate themselves from masculinity because they believe it is "toxic" and dangerous. So much of this comes down to people wanting to be accepted and fit in. This calls for a reminder that there are some people in this world whose acceptance may not be worth having.

Christopher Hitchens once said, "Those who are determined to be offended will discover a provocation somewhere. We cannot possibly adjust enough to please the fanatics, and it is degrading to make the attempt." I took this to heart in my youth and it helped liberate me from feeling like I had to hide parts of myself, even if getting over that pressure has been an ongoing process.

Few people know I am gay unless I tell them. When I came out, I chose to be very open about being gay. I hung a rainbow necklace of beads from my rearview mirror. I had a rainbow t-shirt I'd wear out in public. I argued gay rights proudly with anyone who would engage me on the subject. I'm sure I overdid it.

I was drawing attention to myself as a gay person during the 2000s in a conservative, Republican state when I could have just flown under the radar the entire time. Some friends and family expressed concern that it might not be safe for me to be openly gay. My attitude then was that if somebody wanted to stop me from being gay they better kill me. There was no other way I was going to cease being who I was. And that was the real reason I pinned that visible label on myself. I wanted to take away my own option to conceal who I was because life for me would not have been worth living as somebody else. I need to be gay on my own terms. I also need to be a man on my own terms. Visibility was what moved gay people forward in society, and I wanted to be visible.

Today, I believe that visibility is what will move men forward in their collective struggle against misandry. We are being targeted for being men and we cannot hide. As men subjected to misandry, what we hide is our love of our own maleness. We hide our belief that we are entitled to dignity, autonomy, and respect as men. We hide our toughness and we hide our weakness. We hide whatever we're told to hide by women and even other men who won't accept us as men if we don't meet certain expectations. Self-sacrifice has long been considered a virtue of masculinity, and the modern man is still sacrificing himself for others.

The closet is an awful place to be, men, and there are good reasons to come out of it. As gay people came out in greater and greater numbers, more people realized they already knew and loved a gay person. Would a person's friends and family stop loving them upon discovering they were gay? Some did. But if you can't love somebody for who they really are, you don't really love them. At the same time, allies started popping up where there may have been none had gays remained hidden. The parallel for men here is that if we aren't willing to stand up and say, "I am being mistreated because I am a man," the cultural narrative will never change, and our situation will not improve.

People in communities like this one are engaged in the important work of legitimizing men's issues. Western society gives more legitimacy to people twerking in the middle of the street to celebrate gayness than to a small group of men saying they believe men are important and worth protecting. Communities like this, if they refuse to go away, will continue to cultivate legitimacy. Yes, some people will make fun of us and dismiss us. They'll try to talk us out of believing our own experiences. They'll target us more. But some people will listen and understand. Some boy out there internalizing misandry right now will hear us and have a chance at loving himself that a lot of us got way too late because nobody let us know that our maleness was worth loving.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

legal rights Ley Alina and Bagkok Rules: Licence to Kill for Women

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In Mexico in these days there is the debate about the approval of the so called Ley Alina (Alina Law), a law according to which women (and only women) will not be punishable if they claim self-defense, neither for homicide nor for excess of self defense. Self-defense will be assumed as the default if they declare it, and questioning it will be considered "second revictimization" and therefore much more difficult to get. So both false self defense unidirectional male victims and bidirectional/mutual violence victims will get a double standard treatment. I quote from the law which is already valid in Baja California:

“Excess in self-defense shall not be considered when the woman is the victim of physical, sexual or femicidal violence, or when she has been in danger of being so, and at the time of the act she can prove that she has been in a state of fear or terror or is in a state of confusion that affects her ability to determine the appropriate limit of her response or the rationality of the means employed.”

And:

"Legitimate self-defense shall also be presumed, unless proven otherwise, in the event that the woman is a victim of physical, sexual or femicidal violence, or in the event that she was in danger of being a victim and repels the aggression. In these cases, the State Attorney General's Office or the jurisdictional body, as the case may be, must act with a gender perspective to determine the legitimacy of the legitimate defense. The same criterion will be applied when a third person acts in her defense."

For more informations:

https://youtu.be/VCatyILa9nU?feature=shared

This is also in accord with the Bangkok Rules. The Bangkok Rules, or formally, "The United Nations Rules for the Treatment of Women Prisoners and Non-custodial Measures for Women Offenders", say:

"Alternative ways of managing women who commit offences, such as diversionary measures and pretrial and sentencing alternatives, shall be implemented wherever appropriate and possible"

"When sentencing women offenders, courts shall have the power to consider mitigating factors such as lack of criminal history and relative non‑severity and nature of the criminal conduct, in the light of women’s caretaking responsibilities and typical backgrounds."

And:

"Appropriate resources shall be made available to devise suitable alternatives for women offenders in order to combine non‑custodial measures with interventions to address the most common problems leading to women’s contact with the criminal justice system."


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

misandry Misandist organizations

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Hi, just curious and digging around. What major advocacy organizations are the most explicitly misandrist? Specifically, are there ones with misandry specifically and explicitly in their mission statement? (ie, reducing men's family rights, etc.). I know lots of organizations are implicitly misandrist, so I'm looking for the most explicit instances, if any.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

discussion The abusive relationship between a coach and his male athlete

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I think Khabib Nurmagomedov, a former MMA fighter and now coach, is an abuser. One of his fighters, Abubakar Nurmagomedov, lost a fight allegedly because he played too much video games. Khabib confessed, on camera, to destroying his trainee's computer.

When you look at these[1][2] comment sections, you see most people either laughing at the abuse or outright praising it. This is some sick stuff. In your opinion, would most people would react the same way if a male coach destroyed his female athlete's property?

If you were a male athlete in school, did you have an abusive coach? If so, did you tell anyone, and how did they react?


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 2d ago

discussion What do you think is the impediment to men forming fulfilling relationships with other men

48 Upvotes

I think I got a lot of good feedback and perspectives on my other post, including shocking information that what I think is pseudoscience is being used to deny men the ability to be seen as victims. I always thought the discourse from the extreme left was just chatter and never imagined it could be used as justification for real policy (I assumed moderate thinking people would make those based on actual science and psychology). I’m an older person who does not have social media and typically ignores anything that originates from there.

I think the only real other question on my mind is if women are able to form intimate friendships with other women that are fulfilling for them, what do you think impedes men from doing the same with other men and what could be done to change that?

Also in the past liberal men (Justin Trudeau, Obama) have showed emotion and cried in public, how is that received on the right and is there a difference in attitudes about this from the left and from the right?

Thanks


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 2d ago

discussion A main driver of misogyny in young men is being expected to follow male gender roles

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After shows like 'Adolescence,' there has been a fresh wave of paranoia around young men.

They are being painted as potential criminals, who have to be put under tight surveillance and demonized in the education system to make sure that they don't do anything wrong. Parents are being whipped into a panic about what their kids might be doing in private, and even told that their children might secretly be murderers. It's a new Satanic Panic, targeting lonely young men and blaming them all for complex social issues like UK knife crime.

However, I'd suggest that this is also overlooking the real forces which encourage the 'manosphere' and influencers like Andrew Tate.

Society enforces a rigid vision of male gender roles, and people like Andrew Tate capitalize on this through exaggerated machismo and a focus on money, muscles and stoicism. They act like caricatures of male gender roles, and that appeals to lonely young men who feel like they are expected to live up to strict expectations around gender roles.

Despite female gender roles often being decried, it's viewed as 'empowering' for women to demand men who are taller, wealthier and less vulnerable. The 'man in finance, 6'5 blue eyes' song is an infamous example, as well as the trend of 'icks' which ridicules men who show vulnerability or ordinary human flaws. Outside of social media, these prejudices can result in bullying, isolation and belittling. The show 'Adolescence' mentions bullying, but oddly it also goes out of its way to try and justify bullying this (13 y/o!) boy because he was apparently evil enough to deserve it. It acts as if petty middle school drama and ostracization, calling a guy an 'incel' and ridiculing him, is some kind of moral crusade. This is because it's propaganda.

What's often overlooked about the 'manosphere' is that it's focused on 'pills,' which claim to teach men how to interact with women. It's not just 'misogyny,' it's about trying to adjust to expectations. All of these pills are based on rigid gender roles. The 'red pill' teaches men to be stoic, domineering 'alpha males' and to focus on money, high social status and the 'grind'. It's the same thing as the 'man in finance' song, but now by men. Like the 'man in finance' song, most young men involved will treat it as a bit jokey but it has a serious, disturbing message. The 'black pill' talks about how exaggeratedly tall, muscular, strong-jawed and powerful Chads are the pinnacle of society. That's often a result of body dysmorphia, but it also shows a veneration for male gender roles which can produce misogyny.

Society will vilify these men as 'misogynist,' but that's not all there is to it. They don't just support misogyny, the misogyny represents the pressure they feel to conform to strict gender roles. They are misogynist because of an extreme focus on male gender roles, but at the same time they feel inferior and hostile to the hyper-masculine 'Chads' and 'alpha males.' Even though they're 'misogynist,' their biggest perceived enemy is often the hyper-masculine 'Chad' - subconsciously, even they feel oppressed by the same male gender roles which they 'support'.

You can't separate the patriarchal basis from the superstructure of male gender roles and 'expectations.' If you keep expecting men to act like they would under a patriarchal system, they will become misogynistic because that is what the expectations are based on.

But they're also instinctively hostile to these hyper-masculine ideals, even when they are driven to violence it's often due to a sense of their own inferiority based on gender roles. For example, Elliot Rodger infamously decried women for being attracted to 'brutes' and 'jerks,' the same people who the redpill calls 'alpha males.' He viewed himself as too feminine and too much of a 'gentleman' to attract women, and felt the need to act out in a hyper-masculine feat of violence to appease these gender expectations. Before that, he tried to live up to male gender roles through a focus on cars and becoming rich, like Tate's followers. This focus on gender roles, along with a history of bullying so severe that he once had to pull out of a school, worsened his mental illness and created his ideal of a 'Day of Retribution' where he would act like a 'god' and enact a masculine revenge on society.

He effectively shamed himself into violence by viewing his existence as emasculating, just like the political shooter Tarrant whose manifesto is full of exhortations to stop being 'weak' men, to take action, create fear and 'DO SOMETHING.' He hated men who he viewed as hyper-masculine 'brutes,' but pressured himself to act more masculine and created a whole persona to live up to that. Even people like Elliot, who want to go out in a 'masculine' blaze of glory, can feel unease about the hyper-masculine ideals which drive them to violence, and tend to be polite and unassuming in normal life. It stands to reason that, if society thinks that normal males are at risk of similar radicalization, most of them will have even more hang-ups than Elliot. So if we want to discourage violence of this kind, why not start by combatting these expectations placed on males and allowing them to work through their insecurities about gender roles without mocking them? It might not be possible to rule out all violence, it's possible that an individual like Elliot may have turned violent regardless, but not all young men are Elliot. Social expectations about gender roles can cause these boys to act out, vilifying lonely, shy men who are 'meek' and 'can't get laid' is a key motivation in them turning to hyper-masculine visions of violence or trying to be 'alpha males' or other things. Besides, why would men open up when shows like 'Adolescence' portray them as monsters who are intrinsically evil and should be treated as suspect? And if males are always jumping through hoops and trying to live up to exaggerated expectations, why would they open up about their vulnerabilities? And if society decides that they're monsters anyway, that they're intrinsically evil rapists, worse than bears, and need to be restrained and constantly watched to keep them in line, then won't they just internalize that they're monsters?

It's necessary to offer them a positive vision, not just scold and vilify them. They clearly take umbrage at male gender roles, and their 'misogyny' is often just a shield to hide that. Redpillers may 'neg' women and act misogynist, but it's mostly just to hide their own insecurity and feelings of inferiority from women because it runs contrary to gender roles. Many of them would much rather just act like themselves and be humble, vulnerable or kind, but they feel like it's discouraged. After all, they prefer to play the villain or be a hateful 'incel' rather than showing weakness and being a 'virgin.' When confident men act abusive and commit SA, it's used as an excuse to attack men for being 'awkward' because it's 'creepy'. When there is a widespread social problem with knife crime, gangs and aggression, shows will vilify guys who are shy and lonely. Everything is used as an excuse to attack men for not living up to their gender roles. However, the wider culture just wants to portray them as intrinsically evil and misogynist, and ignore the complexity in their own beliefs and how that could be used to meet them on common ground.

If you view men as monsters anyway, they'll figure they might as well act on it. If you keep enforcing rigid, patriarchal gender roles on them, then they're going to get patriarchal views.

In the past, men were expected to be head of the household and to take a leading role in society, so it's inevitable that they could come across as effortlessly confident, took the lead and were wealthier than women. Men view these ideals as 'unrealistic' now, because they're based on a form of society which is no longer there. They're expected to act like effortless, natural leaders, in a way that would be normal under a patriarchal society but isn't any more. When you expect men to be assertive and take the lead, to be tall enough to make their partners feel small, to hide their vulnerabilities and act flawless and stoic, of course you'll end up with misogyny. You can't take patriarchal concepts, promote them, and then be surprised when people get patriarchal ideas from it.

Somehow, it's been promoted as 'feminist' to promote these expectations and insult men for not living up to them, when it's actually deeply patriarchal. The 'misogynist,' 'redpilled' men are reacting to that, whereas the academics and politicians vilifying them are just playing into this. Men are just a punching bag, vilified for not acting masculine enough and then vilified for trying to. Men are told not to approach women because it's sexually aggressive, then once they comply they're told that they lack confidence. They are told that the genders are equal, but also that dating is something where they take the initiative and women play the passive role. Redpillers aren't just vilified for acting like abusive Christian Grey 'alpha male'-type characters, they're vilified for trying to act like that when it comes naturally to Christian Grey, because the book portrays him as a rich employer as a way to reconstruct a microcosm of patriarchy where he is effortlessly authoritative, domineering and confident. Most ordinary men don't have that option, it's a class thing. A lot of the redpill content, including Andrew Tate, speaks of an 'alpha male' who is ultimately just the same thing as is celebrated in women's media like 50 Shades of Grey. In this way, both media for women and men reinforces patriarchal expectations.

Male's issues are treated as problems with individual males for being lazy and entitled, just like conservatives view poverty as a moral failing, and all of this is an excuse to avoid dealing with systematic issues. Like the poor who complain, males with issues are told to 'shut up and work,' to 'take responsibility' and fix their 'lazy,' 'resentful' personalities, that rags-to-riches stories mean that anyone who works hard and has a good personality can escape poverty and become rich, and that they should stop talking about social issues and just focus on their own moral failings. As soon as it comes to men, many 'leftists' treat society as a meritocracy where any problems are the men's own fault. As soon as it comes to men, many 'leftists' are more conservative than a hybrid of Trump, Tom Tancredo and Franco.

And, ultimately, a real solution to this issue has to deal with the real social problems and not just scold men or promote paranoia among parents. People promote individualized solutions like therapy, which can definitely have some benefits, but how is that supposed to deal with a spreading social issue when even the education system is failing boys? Boys don't trust the system because a) It's seen as unmasculine to do so, b) it clearly doesn't work for them and they are falling behind. Expecting guys to en masse solve their issues through expensive private practitioners behind closed doors is just another way to tell them that their concerns have no place in wider society, and is irrational when even public, heavily-funded systems are full of professionals that have proven ineffective at dealing with males. A valid way to help males has turned into a way to dismiss their problems. If society wants to deal with young men's issues, a good start would be showing genuine compassion and openness to them, and being able to understand them. But people would rather vilify them and combat knife crime by making schoolboys watch 'Adolescence' and putting up posters about how looking at people is sexual assault all over public transport.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 2d ago

education An update on litigation, policy, and advocacy in the world of men and boys accused of misconduct in education.

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r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

discussion Equality beings choice - and choice is what many women want

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I was speaking to my wife last night about her morning out with a maried lesbian couple and their IVF baby. They are terrific people and they all had a great morning.

The reason my wife was able to go out that day was because she works part-time. She has done so since our son arrived 15 years ago, and continues to because it is good for her mental health AND it is good for the family because it is good for her mental health. Why is it so good for her mental health, because (1) she has had a lot more time available to be with our son, including in his adolescence where he has challenges related to Autism and ADHD and (2) she can also spend time with her elderly mother helping her live with dignity and enjoying their remaining years (we hope) together. Her hourly rate, while lower than mine - istnt much so.

So with all that context it was a fascinating conversation my wife and her friends, who are much younger than her and work in lower paying education sector roles - had about the changing character of the local community. Like a lot of inner city suburbs in large metropolitan areas, it is gentrifying. Home prices are up and the people who live here have more income and work in information sector jobs that are mobile. One of the side effects of this is that there are a lot more women in the area who work form home, work part-time and have other non-traditional working patterns.

My wife's friends were reflecting on the challenges of early years parenting, finding time together, child care, paying the bills and such (I remember it well), and had determined that the higher number of women they were observing around the neighborhood with young children was a result of a 'return to 1950's patriarchal values in the community'.

My wife, herself a feminist, put it to them that (given the socioeconomic change described above) that what they were observing was just the result of women choosing to spend time with their children early in life and their husbands (mostly) supporting this? She suggested it was what women were choosing because they COULD - not come patriarchal conspiracy? She pointed out that many women were able to do this part-time work and have time with their children because of huge improvements in childcare that they were themselves utilizing. She basically said, society was equalizing through the provision of choice. When choice is provided - women were choose to parent. This was a whole new way of thinking for them.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 3d ago

discussion Thank you for showing I’m not crazy

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Just have to say, I’m so grateful to have found this community and the left wing men’s movement space broadly. You guys are awesome and have helped convince me that I’m not insane.

I’ve always been left leaning, and have always been sympathetic to feminism. I generally agree with feminist viewpoints and the like.

However, the constant hatred and demonization of men was really getting to me, in many ways unconsciously. I’d see people talking about and treating men like potential sex predators, rapists, murderers, criminals, and I think I began internalizing it. I began viewing my own gender identity as bad, as evil, as responsible for oppression and violence and rape. I was afraid in many of my encounters with women and even some men for fear of being viewed as a threat. I don’t fully blame feminism for this (as I now realize this is a larger societal issue that’s existed probably forever) but they have exacerbated it on the left.

When Roe was overturned in the U.S., and all the online backlash came pouring in, I full on spiraled. I was genuinely depressed and self-hateful from all the anti-male content I was seeing online. It really got to me. I pulled out of it, but I don’t think I was fully able to recognize I was justified in being upset by that rhetoric until encountering these pro male spaces much later, as this rhetoric is tolerated on the left and men who object to it are just told that misandry isn’t real, or if it is it isn’t a serious problem. There’s no space to object to this rhetoric or even to comprehend that one is justified in being offended by it. That it’s not just you overreacting, or not checking your privilege, etcetera. I’m upset by this demonization because it gets internalized, and it gets internalized in many men who are made to feel worse for it, and it materializes in the real world as men being treated as threats by police and the justice system.

So thank you, for showing me I’m not insane, and providing a space for me to come whenever the anti-male bigotry online is getting to me.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 3d ago

discussion What's a good response or 'comeback' to the pick me girl insult?

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I'm a 22 year old woman who is very passionate about gender equality, but a lot of my focus has been on Men's Rights as they are ignored, denied, mocked and hated on. I've always been an advocate for Men's Rights ever since I was a teen, and I want to be more outspoken about it.

Being a woman calling out feminists, misandry and bringing facts about men's issues makes me a target for being name called 'pick-me girl'. The many comments I get dismissing my argument saying "I hope you get picked real soon", "Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get picked"

It really does make me angry and frustrated. It's bullying. I have often replied with "So Martin Luther King Jr did all his work so he could get f..ked?", and also claiming that I never have any interest in dating. But I honestly don't know. They sound so passive-aggressive.

This is not just about online discourse where it's often not a good field to jump into, but it can also apply to real life if I ever get into a discussion or debate with someone about Men's Rights and feminism.

Please give me some ideas and advice!


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 4d ago

discussion I noticed accusing someone of weaponizing their oppression is only consider ok when the topic is about how women have it worse on the left.

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Someone weaponizing their oppression is usually something the left doesn't think that can happen, and think you are bigoted if you think that could happen.

For example.

With race, the term "black card". The left hates this term. Because they it's bad to point out how black people try to use the black card to justified their bad behaviors.

But when it comes to gender. All of a sudden it's ok to point out how black men use the black card to take advantage of black women though lol. There are so many feminists talking points about black men using their race to defend themselves as way to appeal to emotions when harming black women. Since black men can fool the community by saying "oh no you are sending another poor black man to jail". People on the left have actually use this same talking about for P Diddy.

Another example is being gay. It would also be considered bad to say that gay people like to use the gay card to justify their bad behaviors on the left. But again when topic is about how women always have it worse. All of a sudden gay men or bisexual men hide behind their LGBTQ identity to be misogynistic. Do you guys see the hypocrisy here?

It's almost similar to the "women most affected by war when mostly men are dying" meme. Because it doesn't matter how oppressed a group is. Their female counterpart will always have it worse. And that oppressed group can still weaponizing their own oppression against women in their groups.

That's what intersectionality is all about right. Doesn't matter how you cut the pizza. Women still have it worse. Poor women have it worse then poor men. Homeless women have it worse than homeless men.

Even though most of racism/homophobia is misandry based. I.E. police brutality statistically more likely with black men, or gay/bi men being more likely to face stigma compare to their female counterparts. But I digress though.

In conclusion.

Remember guys saying that someone is using a oppression card to justify bad behaviors is terrible thing to say. But all of a sudden when you switch the topic to women oppression and intersectionality.

It's now ok to talk about how marginalized men weaponize their oppression against defenseless women because of male privilege.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 4d ago

article Being a Latino man played a factor on why i want leftist policies. We are the most "occupationally segregated" meaning we are likely to be segregated from latinas due to the nature of the work compared to other groups of men and their women. Its like the benefits of marxism were tailor made for us

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r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 4d ago

double standards The irony of some people.

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I noticed a pattern, a lot of women do this thing where they say "not all men but always a man" or "I choose the bear" then simultaneously complain about being lonely???

And when this is pointed out, it's a matter of "no there's no good choices of men that's why" but when a man does the same women hating and says they're lonely it's exclusively seen as THEM being a bad choice and that's why their lonely.

And then the same old "male loneliness is self inflicted" yet we can't say the same for women? Looking at the facts if you hate men and want to be in a relationship, you really aren't going to do well. I don't know i just found it so unfair.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 5d ago

discussion TheTinMen's post on men is really heartbreaking

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r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 5d ago

resource Does anybody have reliable data on male victims of domestic violence? Eurostat only has data on female victims.

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I got really angry the other day, Eurostat's Gender-based violence Database only has data on women. Even the "Violence experienced in childhood" only measures girls! Fuck boys, right?

Of course, the methodology is "defined by the Istanbul Convention".

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/gender-based-violence/methodology

The statists.com webstie also has data only for FEMALE victims of domestic violence.

Does anybody have data on male victims of IPV in EU?


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 5d ago

discussion What do we think of Starmer asking for adolescence to be shown in schools?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28neprdppo

Also as some say know I am a journalist with my own site so I might cover this from a LWMA point of view ....

my instinct is good intention, bad idea that is just more talking down to boys and adolescence didn't rly cover cause only symptoms

but i also think that yes, we do need to do something about young boys being pulled far right/being violent/hating women

because they absolutely exist. we should always remember as much as mass media is pretty horrible they do still exist.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

discussion I’m a woman and I want to help

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Hi All.

I’m a liberal mother of two little boys. I never gave much thought to men’s issues before, but becoming a mother changed that for me.

There is so much focus on women issues in our society, so many books, shows, music, and movies around women’s empowerment. There is virtually nothing for boys, our society says almost nothing to them at all. Feminists, in upending traditional gender norms and stereotypes have only managed to engrain a new set of stereotypes that continue to damage both men and women (I’m neurodivergent so I don’t perfectly fit into either the old stereotypes or the new ones). This leaves many boys and girls falling through the cracks. And this affects boys much more profoundly, as we are observing.

This has presented moms with boys with a challenge - how are we supposed to raise them? We can see that boys today are struggling and we don’t want our boys to struggle. We want them to be happy and healthy.

When I look online, I see most liberal women raising their boys to be “feminists”, they are raising them to cater to what women want from them. You have to understand that they are coming from a good place, they want their boys to be able to grow up to have partners and a family and to do so they need to meet the expectations of women.

What I am seeing is that women are very capable of building intimate relationships with other women, they are capable to take care of themselves, and with IVF those that want to have a baby can do that by themselves too. They think they don’t NEED men. The only way they will want to be with one is if they WANT them and see the value in them. However, men still NEED women. I know a power imbalance when I see it. And I know that power imbalances can be abused. Not all women are good. I know this first hand as I was raised by an abusive mother.

I’m sitting here trying to figure out how to raise my boys so the women of their generation will want them, and what even will those women want??? Then I realized that I don’t want to do that, I want to be able to raise them to be good men who enter into relationships with good women that are reciprocal and balanced. Whether women realize it or not, this is better for both genders.

I don’t think you guys can advocate for yourselves. 1) no one will listen to you, no matter what you say or how you say it you will come off as misogynists and incels. 2) quite frankly you can’t fix the problem just advocating for “your side” as this is a systemic problem and in order to fix it, it will require a whole of society effort.

I have ideas on how to fix this. I want to start writing about it, a book…and maybe articles too. What I’m trying to do is very ambitious, and I may not succeed. But I have to try. What I hope is that people see my logic, and I have actionable ideas that can be done at grassroots level. We don’t need to wait for the right person to be in power, we can make the changes needed if we work together.

What I want from you guys is help. I’m not a man, so it is difficult for me to understand a man’s experience perfectly. Quite frankly I don’t know what it’s like to be a neurotypical woman either, I only know what it’s like to be me. What I’m going to propose should work for widest range of people, including those who are neurodivergent. And it should work to lead both men and women towards a healthy fulfilling life regardless of whether they choose to partner up. This also leads to a much better society, it is literally a domino effect, addressing many other societal problems without needing to directly address them.

What I am good at is understanding systems (I’m an engineer by profession) and seeing the big picture. this is where I excel and why I think I can make a positive change for everyone (but especially boys/men). Can I please pick your brains and workshop ideas through you?? Ultimately solutions won’t work if men don’t think they will, so your input is crucial to ensure that whatever I am proposing is realistic.

Thank you, please know that there are women out there like me that see you and care about you.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 5d ago

discussion I'm a closeted incel. I'm afraid Adolescence might "out" me

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Sorry if this is outside the scope of this sub. I don't know any other non-feminist place where I can ask that.

Some Background first, I'm near my 40s so its been a while since I was a teen. I don't live with my parents anymore. I'm an incel, both small-i involuntary celibate and big-I self-identified member of the Incel community. Ive been the latter since the early 2010s before the mass shootings, before algorithms and social media and before the i-word became widely known. Needless to say no one I know IRL is aware of that.

My parents and family in general spend all their free time watching series. There is NO WAY they (or extended family) didn't watch Adolescence and there is NO WAY they didn't make the association between "incel" and the ugly teenager I was in the early 2000s who was already terminally online before it became the norm.

I'm really afraid the topic will come up during the next family meal and I don't know how to react when it will to hide the fact I'm one. It will be awkward, or worse.

I think i can't credibly feign ignorance of what an incel is. My parents know I'm online. I think I can pretend to believe that it's just an insult used by young people. But then she would still recognize my behavior and may ask me questions. I can deny being one but knowing my family they will enquire further.

I hope the topic won't come up but if it does, what do you think I should say to dodge the issue or change the topic?

Any advice?


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

media Can Richard Reeves make a change?

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So, we all know who Richard Reeves is. While there is a mixed opinion surrounding whether, he can be a valuable ally or not. I personally like him, he's smart and comes with interesting solutions. His proposal for 'HEAL' jobs for men seems practical. What's commendable (regardless of one's agreements or disagreements with him) is that he brings a spotlight to Men's issues to spaces that are oftentimes hostile to the idea of men having problems. I watched this particular review of his book 'Of Boys and Men' by the channel 'BurbNBougie'.

https://youtu.be/DWUwU6FNxAM?si=1ZuuvToL2DWSvGhQ

However, what seemed a little disappointing was that the comments under the video were not very welcoming. I have posted two examples. But my main question is, can Richard Reeves make a real change of perception? Or is it going to need more time for anything substantial?


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

article The plight of boys and men, once sidelined by Democrats, is now a priority

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For Democrats, reaching male voters became a political necessity after last fall’s election, when young men swung significantly toward President Donald Trump.

But for some — like Maryland Gov. Wes Moore — it’s also a personal goal. The first-term governor, who has spoken about his own struggles as a teenager, recently announced plans to direct his “entire administration” to find ways to help struggling boys and men. 

“The well-being of our young men and boys has not been a societal priority,” Moore said in an interview. “I want Maryland to be the one that is aggressive and unapologetic about being able to address it and being able to fix it.” 

Moore’s not the only Democrat vowing to help boys and men.

In her State of the State address, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer shared plans to help boost young men’s enrollment in higher education and skills training. And Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont announced what he called “a DEI initiative, which folks on both sides of the aisle may appreciate,” to get more men into teaching. 

The announcements come at a critical time. Researchers have argued that the widening gender gap reflects a crisis that, if not addressed, could push men toward extremism. And Democratic pollsters fret that if liberal politicians, in particular, do not address these issues, the party is at risk of losing more men to the GOP. 

“When Trump talks about fixing the economy and being strong, they hear someone who gets it,” said John Della Volpe, director of polling at Harvard Kennedy School’s Institute of Politics, and an adviser to Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign. “That doesn’t mean they trust him. But it does mean he’s speaking to their reality in a way most Democrats aren’t.” 

On the campaign trail, Kamala Harris often spoke about issues of importance to women, emphasizing reproductive rights, for instance, and paid family leave policies. But soul-searching over her loss has prompted Democrats to reach out more aggressively to men, by engaging more with sports, for instance, and looking for ways to make the party seem less “uncool” to young voters. 

Shauna Daly, a Democratic strategist and co-founder of the Young Men Research Project, said candidates need to do more than show young men that they can hang. “Where the Democratic Party has really fallen short with this cohort is that they don’t feel like Democrats are fighting for them,” she said. 

They need policies like those the governors have proposed, Daly said, that address men's tangible problems.

In every state, women earn more college degrees than men. Boys are more likely to be disciplined in class, and less likely to graduate high school on time than girls. Men die by suicide at higher rates than women and are more likely to rely on illicit drugs and alcohol. And while women increasingly participate in the workforce at higher rates, men have steadily dropped out of the labor market.

The governors’ speeches touched on many of these issues, and earned cautious applause from masculinity researchers, who said they reflected a promising shift.  

“I think it’s part of a growing recognition among Democrats that neglecting the problems of boys and men is neither good policy nor good politics,” said Richard Reeves, founder of the American Institute for Boys and Men, who has informally advised Moore’s staff. “If Democrats weren’t thinking about male voters, and especially young male voters, then it would be a pretty serious dereliction of duty, looking at the polls.”  

In the past, Democrats might have been wary of targeting programs toward boys and men for fear of excluding girls. Whitmer seemed aware of this dynamic in her speech, when she followed her announcement about young men with a shoutout to women and a vow not to abandon her “commitment to equal opportunity and dignity for everyone.”  

A handful of other states, including some run by Republican governors, have already launched initiatives targeting men in recent years. Utah established a task force that aims to help “men and boys lead flourishing lives,” and North Dakota created the position of a men’s health coordinator to study and raise awareness of disparities affecting men.

Moore said he was partly inspired by his own experience growing up in the Bronx after his father passed. He has described how troubles in his youth — including a brush with the police for vandalism, skipping school and getting poor grades — led his mother to send him away to military school, which he credits with helping him straighten up.  

“It is very personal for me, because I was one of those young men and boys that we’re trying to reach,” he said. “And I felt like so many of the conversations that were being had about me were not being had with me.” 

Moore will hold a cabinet meeting in April to discuss plans for the state agencies, but he has some initial goals: to encourage more men in his state to pursue jobs in education and health care, help boys within the juvenile justice system, and make sure he solicits input from boys and men on how the initiatives are designed. 

For Della Volpe, from the Harvard Kennedy School, the governors’ announcements are encouraging. “The truth is, young men are speaking,” he said. “They’ve been telling us they want respect, opportunity, and strength. If Democrats don’t listen — and act — they’ll keep losing ground. But this moment offers hope.”


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

discussion Why are people so vague about men not being emotionally intelligent?

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It's common for Feminists or women to say men don't have emotional intelligence.

Ok, but WTF DOES THAT MEAN? They are always vague about this too. And give no examples of what emotional intelligence is.

I'm not trying to be funny here guys. Im honestly confused by what they mean when they say men aren't emotionally intelligent.

Keep in mind guys is that everything in a relationship is arbitrary. Standards, expectations, and boundaries. Because relationships are based on individual preferences. There aren't any universal rules when it comes to relationships.

The topic of men not being emotionally intelligent is usually brought up in the context of romantic relationships. Which is why I think this topic is vague and confusing. Since again romantic relationships are arbitrary. But yet Feminists or women make it seem like there are universal rules to romantic relationships.

In conclusion.

I think this is important to men issues. Because it's another silly concept that demonize men or paint men with a certain narrative that is bad in the long run.

And seriously I still want to know what they mean by men lacking emotional intelligence. Again I'm not joking here.