"Legal right" does not equal "natural right" and "free to you" or " free at time of use" does not mean it had no cost.
Human right typically is associated with natural right, not legal right. Nothing can be a natural right that requires the labor of others. So health care can not be a natural right or human right like freedom of speech or liberty in general.
On the other hand anything can be a legal right even if runs contrary to a human right.
"Nothing can be a natural right that requires the labor of others." That's is just your opinion. If you live in a democratic country that collects taxes, "the labour of others" is just a matter of how the budget is allocated. Every civilized country allocates some of that towards providing healthcare for its citizens.
And the right to free speech requires the labour of others. What's stopping a government official from throwing you in jail for expressing an opinion? A functioning court system that would rule that behaviour illegal, and public servants that follow the law.
If I'm in a country that collects taxes and health care is paid for with those taxes then that is a legal right, not a natural right.
We can make anything a legal right including murder. That dues not make it a natural right and often times legal rights are in conflict with natural rights.
The right to free speech requires that someone take it away from you, not that someone gives it to you. You are born with certain unalienable rights. Others are bestowed upon you thru the legal system.
That’s an argument based on zero understanding of how a social animal behaves.
Also it show that you have no understanding of human biology, which is fundamental to any reasoning of what a “human right” could be.
Your argument suggests that “parenting” is a service because, it requires the labour of others. Humans are bore premature compared to almost every other mammal. We cannot walk, communicate, or even sit up on our own. We. Annoy fend for ourselves in anyway and must require “the services” of others to live. This is why we are a social animal, that forms a family, community and society.
So your argument isn’t about what is natural but what an authoritarian society imposes on people’s freedom to control and subdue them.
my understanding of what you wrote was that somehow being raised by a parent is a right that requires others labor.
If that interpretation is incorrect you can clarify.
My response is that raising a child is not a right, it's a choice of the parent. Simply having the child is also a choice. There are multiple choices that lead up to a person becoming a parent and choosing to remain one. This is a clear indication that being raised by a person is not a right.
Caring for others is also a choice. Having someone care for you is not a right.
That is not some argument against being caring or an indication that a person is not caring. It's an actual understanding of how humans interact.
You were born right? In order for you as a human to live after birth you require care.
Humans are born slightly immature, when compared to other mammals and even primates. By this I mean our last stages of development are outside of the womb, whereas other mammals this is not the case. IE gestation for an elephant is 22 months vs our 9.
We require far more care than other animals to live. This is our biology. It is not a choice but an imperative for humans to survive. Be that care provided by your parents or a surrogate.
You said “a natural right not a legal right”. It is our nature to care and look after each other. That those natural systems were eroded by industrialisation and our ability to choose to have children through mid 20th century birth control, does not change our biology and our nature.
Correct I was born. My parents made a choice to have sex. Made a choice to continue the pregnancy. And then made a choice to raise me. At any point along that chain of choices they could have decided not to. Since it is their choice it can't be my right.
None of what you said changes the fact that raising a child is a choice and thus not a right of the child.
Many parents have left their children to die, by choice. Being raised is a gift given to you by your parents, not a right of the child.
The fact that most parents choose to care for their children does not make it a right, it makes it a popular choice.
Yeah. Punching myself in the face would have been more productive.
What you don’t understand is that humans cannot exist without care. You just don’t get anything about biology and how it works.
I’ll say this one last time. Humans cannot live without care. It is irrelevant if someone chooses to have children or not. Our biology dictates that our species must care for our young. Like how we walk on two legs, this is a biological fact. One that affects our existence. Without us doing this we will not continue as a species. It is our natural way of existing.
Once you grasp the concept of what you are then you can enter into the conversation of what is “natural”.
The first a foremost Human Right, is the right to life. That is even in your Declaration of the Rights of Man 1789. It is Article I.
Who ever told you that a right cannot require the labour of another lied to you. Every declaration of the rights of humans (dating back to about the 1390s) all state that life is a right.
As I said at the very start. Those who argue from your position fail to understand the basics of human biology.
But now you do and perhaps you will make more intelligent judgments about human rights in future?
I declare that healthcare is a blue right, not a down right. Blue rights are bouncy and thus I have defined it as something we are owed, so we cancel out.
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u/DangersoulyPassive 2d ago
Weird. In every other first world country it is. I think even Russia has free healthcare.