r/MadeMeSmile • u/Subtle_srikhand • 1d ago

Wholesome Moments Shoutout to her for not giving up

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u/PrestigiousCattle420 1d ago

Side note: Cross fit and Cross fit gyms have a significant injury rate. They tend to not put a emphasis on form and safety

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u/deepbluenothings 1d ago

I get so much anxiety when I see crossfitters doing pullups, it's so much better to do 2 or 3 pullups properly than to do 10 by swinging your entire body into it.

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u/ResultIntelligent856 1d ago

eh, I don't like the crossfit pullups, but I think the injury fearmongering is overrated.

I've been climbing since 2008 and we do much more dynamic moves. The body can handle it.

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u/deepbluenothings 1d ago

Are you doing those moves as a beginner though? I've only done the most basic amount of climbing and don't remember doing anything too crazy but who knows if I got quality instruction. The problem with CrossFit is pullups are one of the most common exercises so I gotta imagine they're teaching beginners to do that and you really shouldn't be going from the couch to that. I hope injuries are way lower than it feels like it should be just watching them.

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u/Trub_Bubbles 22h ago

I've been a Crossfitter for the better part of 10+ years and any coach worth their salt won't have beginners doing kipping pull ups.

We consider that a movement that only comes after taking the time to strengthen the upper body and shoulders, along with a proper warm up. Some coaches are strict enough to set a benchmark of strict pull-ups before they allow an athlete to kip. Usually there is a progression; starting with ring rows > negative pull ups > assisted strict pull-up > strict, and then kipping if able.

With that being said, there are plenty of thoughtless coaches who push people far beyond what they have any business doing. Most of the time those are the people you see in the "CrossFit gym fails" compilations.

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u/PM_ME_UR_CIRCUIT 21h ago

As someone who was an athlete for years and then a Marine for 5 years, and worked out with competitive body builders, what is the purpose, in your words of kipping pull-ups? What benefits do they offer over standard controlled pull ups or negatives?

For the purposes of our fitness tests, kipping was considered cheating and not counted as reps. So I'm just curious.

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u/Trub_Bubbles 20h ago

Totally fair question, I see it as a totally different movement that is as much conditioning as it is strength. It also engages more muscle groups than a strict pull-up. But generally kipping is done because it's a more efficient way to build a large number of repetitions by spreading out the muscle fatigue and using momentum to you advantage.

We often have designated section of a day's workout that has strict pull ups. We actually did it one yesterday in fact.

Army here, thank you for serving, brother.

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u/PM_ME_UR_CIRCUIT 20h ago

Thanks for the response. My training philosophy is to never go to failure, you want to protect and build slowly, and I hate dropping weights, if I can't control the weight from start to finish it's too heavy.

I didn't get on a treadmill and just run 6 miles one day. I built myself up to it. Slowly over months. To get to pressing 115lb dumbbells, I slowly increased 5lbs a week over several months as well starting from what I could rep 10 times. I also ran a minimum of 3 miles with every workout, leg day or not. (Then again there was nothing other to do in Kuwait than lift).

At my most physically fit, I was doing 23 underhand pullups while weighing 205lbs at 5'10", running 3 miles in 20m30s, 6 miles in 46min25s. My bench was never super impressive at 265lbs, squat was 365lbs and deadlift 405lbs.

Don't get me wrong, breaking myself off on an 8 mile hike in Cali with a pack was fun, or doing a run -> swim -> body weight exercises was always a good day.

I find many beginners want to just show up and start slinging things around and hurt themselves. If I get hurt, training stops, and that's lost progress.

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u/ResultIntelligent856 2h ago

yeah climbers do dynos all the time.

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u/BoulderBlackRabbit 22h ago

You do dynamic moves, sure, but the kicker is that you're not subjecting your body to extreme forces in the exact same way with the exact same pattern many hundreds of times.

There's a reason why figure skaters who train jumps over and over and over get injuries in their legs. It's not the movement necessarily, it's the repetition.

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u/KuriboShoeMario 1d ago

Crossfit pullups are the Cybertrucks of exercise. Designed by a fucking weirdo to make you look cool, inevitably do the ass-opposite, and altogether fail to work anywhere near as well as expected.

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u/Brain_itch 21h ago

Crossfit pullups are the Cybertrucks of exercise.

my sides XD

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u/5yearsago 23h ago

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Yes, it's literally same thing as untrained, overweight beginner. Have you fell on your learning those dynamic moves? Sound like some damage is there.

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u/ResultIntelligent856 2h ago

I don't even understand your sentences.

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u/lavendelvelden 22h ago

Climbing also has a huge injury rate. Way more fun though.

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u/ResultIntelligent856 2h ago

yeah fingers, or taking a fall from a height. not because the movements are inherently dangerous biomechanically.

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u/polite_alpha 21h ago

Kipping pullups aren't for everyone and should only be attempted if you're already really good at strict pullups, and most CrossFit gyms will handle it exactly like that.

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u/slyfox7187 23h ago

People who actually want to work out should stay away from crossfit altogether. Doing deadlifts has a better risk/reward ratio than anything I've seen come out of a crossfit gym. See kipping pull-ups as a prime example.

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u/MangoMambo 22h ago

I think about this a lot. I go to a gym that does group fitness classes. Way way back in the beginning it was very different from crossfit, then people broke away and started their own gym. The gym has slowly evolved over the past few years to being A LOT of crossfit things. One of the trainers is OBSESSED with crossfit.

Some of the movements are just WILD and I don't get it. I don't get why me flinging and flopping and jumping and kicking and squatting to do one movement is somehow better for me than focusing on squats with proper form and then overhead presses with proper form.

Even burpees. You will get way more out of doing pushups and squat jumps on their own than doing them together.

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u/AIien_cIown_ninja 1d ago

They also teach you to hold a cane backwards if you do get injured, apparently

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u/TheElPistolero 23h ago

Well and also they encourage non athletes to do athletic moves like this box jump.

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u/gootsbuster 23h ago

judging by the jump (before she fell) and her snatching 60 kg at the end with insane mobility and decent mechanics (besides the donkey kick), she seems pretty athletic. overweight yes, unathletic no.

my first thought was this was a former athlete who gained a bunch of weight and tried to do what they used to be able to day 1 back in the gym after extended time off

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u/TheElPistolero 23h ago

That really isn't the same kind of athleticism. Olympic lifts like that are just strongman exercises. It's like assuming someone can field a hard hit ground ball just because you saw them play catch once.

Those gyms will take anybody and encourage anybody to try everything. And this girl got talked into box jumps and hurt herself.

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u/gootsbuster 22h ago

I'm gonna disagree here. Raw athleticism is raw athleticism. Fielding a hard hit ground ball is a skill. Is a guy who runs a 4.3 but can't catch not a good athlete? Some of the biggest busts in NFL history have had near perfect RAS scores. Vince Wilfork was like 350 lbs and could dunk.

Additionally, Olympic weightlifting is much more than a strongman exercise. 73 kg lifter Shi Zhiyong clean and jerked 190 kg, not just because he's strong, but he's insanely explosive, quick, and mobile. If it was just strongman, pro strongmen would show up to the olympics and clean house every 4 years. Her technique isn't perfect, but to hit the positions she did you have to be at least decently athletic. Take a look at /r/weightlifting to see what non-athletes look like attempting to olympic lift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qKY6JLm-3s

they're athletic lmao

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u/repost_inception 22h ago

I don't do CrossFit, but I was into it for a while and I did the CrossFit Level 1 course in 2013. They heavily emphasized form and safety. That was almost the entire course.

The thing is when you do workouts that are timed based you naturally want to do the movements fast. That's the biggest problem. There is a difference between training and testing.

For example if you are a powerlifter you wouldn't do your one rep max every time you workout. You do lighter weights and accessory exercises. Occasionally when planned you try your one rep max.

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u/Erstaf 1d ago

Do you have any sources on that claim ?

Studies have shown that the injury is similar to other physical activities such as track and field 1 or power lifting 2

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u/ThatNetworkGuy 1d ago

Actual active sports are already proven to be more dangerous than a standard gym visit. So, being on par with track and field means yes: it's more likely to result in injury than a normal gym routine. It's just not physical suicide like some people say either.