Actually, this is why massive bloated bills end up happening that Democrats get chastised for. Instead of us just fixing the health care system, we end up doing all these small patch jobs everywhere that inevitably end up creating more issues then they solve. And so Democrats try to force a bunch of dysfunctional shit into bills instead of the thing that we need to do, and the thing that would solve the problem.
I'm a conservative and totally agree. I was 100% against Obamacare. However, once it was passed the Republicans filled it with poison pills and continued to fight it.
I have an idea. How about we focus more on efficient, good government rather than big vs small.
What are the needs of the people? How can they be best served?
If our politicians spent 1/2 the time they do trying to beat their opponents, actually trying to make things work, good or even great things might happen.
Solution = Term limits/Senior political appointees and national politician banned from lobbying for life. = great constitutional amendment.
This seems to be an American thing. In most countries, including mine, politics revolves more around bilateral relations, budget allocations, immigration and so on. Issues surrounding healthcare shouldn’t even be a conservative vs liberal thing in my opinion because citizens deserve a good life from the taxes they pay just as much as they deserve security from external threats.
Healthcare is inherently leftist and by american standards democrats are the leftist party... Explains a lot about the situation. By international standards democrats are maybe somewhere a bit right from center and the shit republicans do is straight up fascist.
But it's the truth. Wake up and stop pretending that your political parties has a left and right, Americans (not all but clearly way too many considering who gets the votes) are so delusional for even thinking that the democrats in their country are a leftist party. It's time that you grow up, admit it and learn.
It's like a gigantic circus. It's not divisive, people are trying to teach you what leftism is and you are too stubborn to even open your mind and educate yourself, let's not even talk about the conservatives. You have a lot to learn and if your first and only reaction is to be defensive in a time where there are plenty of people willing to spend their time helping you learn, it's on you, it's an attitude issue. Like literally everyone outside of the US who has a Reddit account will repeat the same thing but you decide to play the ostrich politics by burying your head into the ground whenever we tell you that there isn't a democratic party in your two parties system, it's by name it doesn't mean it's democratic and leftist. But based on how many times we see Americans say that Hitler led a socialist party it's totally understandable that the brainwashing worked wonderfully in the USA.
You say the most important part of healthcare is looking at the needs of people and how they can be best served, that's a socialistic view, can't get much further from a conservative perspective.
Also your piece of term limits and lobbying is a very progressive perspective, not conservative.
This is why I hate the US political system, not everything should be them against us, blue vs red, you say you're a conservative but bring an progressive and even an socialistic point. Maybe have some purple options in between.
It's not that I've got anything against conservatives but it's just very conflicting with the rest that you said.
I consider myself a conservative in that I believe in having the most limited government practical. I believe in personal freedom as long as someone is not injuring others. Notice I say conservative, not "conservative republican".
I think the law of unintended consequences happens ," a lot" when we try to regulate everything.
None of the answers are simple or easy. There is absolutely a place for government in Healthcare and Education. Government should absolutely help the poorest, oldest and youngest. I think there are efficiencies which can and should be found in private/public partnership, to do this better than government alone.
I think the vast majority of liberals and conservatives want the best for their fellow Americans (citizens in general regardless of county). Now let me emphasize I am not speaking about politicians. I have very little trust for all politicians. For that matter anyone who is Uber rich or powerful. As the saying goes it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to go to heaven.
Most of all I know I do not have many of the answers. We need, in my opinion, to speak to each other as people, and not adversaries. I believe we are better when working together towards an ideal. I think the core goal of, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a pretty great ideal.
I think small government as a rule can do this better. That said, there are some socialist governments which do a great job.
Personally my biggest goal is to be a good man. I am open to listening to all ideas. Even ones I don't like. Shutting down the open exchange of ideas just drives evil underground IMO.
Personally my biggest goal is to be a good man. I am open to listening to all ideas. Even ones I don't like. Shutting down the open exchange of ideas just drives evil underground IMO.
Definitely, I consider myself a socialistic democrat, so in terms of labels we couldn't be much further form each other, but listening even if you disagree is the only way to keep everybody onboard.
Government should absolutely help the poorest, oldest and youngest. I think there are efficiencies which can and should be found in private/public partnership, to do this better than government alone.
This is where we mainly differ in opinion, I think first needs services should never be privatized or if privatized very heavily regulated. Not everything has to be profitable, healthcare in the US is partly this expensive because it is privatized and thus has to be profitable. In my opinion the most likely ending of a privatized healthcare system is somebody trying to get rich over the discomfort of others.
And the only way the government will have the funds to adequately support people in need is if everybody is chipping in.
Do you think your ideal of a limited government comes from the lack of trust in your representatives or vice versa?
Coming from the Netherlands I mainly see the benefits of regulated sectors like healthcare and I mainly wish they never privatized sectors like public transport and mail service(although it's becoming obsolete for my generation).
Probably socially conservative but economically liberal, like how Florida is pretty red but voted for a 15 dollar minimum wage by referendum (I think is the word).
All part of the system, it feeds the right wing narrative that government is always bloated and inefficient and we'd be so much better off with no regulation anywhere.
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Understatement of the century.
Actually, this is why massive bloated bills end up happening that Democrats get chastised for. Instead of us just fixing the health care system, we end up doing all these small patch jobs everywhere that inevitably end up creating more issues then they solve. And so Democrats try to force a bunch of dysfunctional shit into bills instead of the thing that we need to do, and the thing that would solve the problem.
Politics annoys the fuck out of me.
Being good humans shouldn't be this hard.