Michigan Democratic Gov. Whitmer makes direct appeal to young men after sharp shift in election

[u/LavenderBloomings]

https://apnews.com/article/michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer-young-men-e237387d0762e900f2dc7e38a1c49f7b

[u/ruiner8850]

So I'm curious how you plan to market make your position more appealing to people when you dismiss their concerns?

How can you address someone's concerns when they aren't based in reality? Like if someone is worried that Bigfoot is going to come kill them while they are sleeping, how are you going to convince them that isn't going to happen? You can try to explain to them that Bigfoot isn't real, but it's very difficult to prove to someone that something does not exist, especially when their entire world view has been dependent on that thing existing.

It's not limited to race, I'm not white and I can see why many people like myself may see appeal in the other side.

Okay, so somehow men in general think they are the real victims in our society. Even though we've had 59 straight presidential elections where a man has won. 73.1% of the US Congress are men. Military leadership is mostly men. A large majority of CEOs and people in leadership roles at companies are men. Their complaints aren't valid and the data and basic common sense proves it.

What exactly to you think that we should do? Put women back in the kitchens, people of color back to second class citizens, and the LGBTQ+ community back into the closet?

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How can you address someone's concerns when they aren't based in reality?

What concern are you specifically referring to that's not based in reality? I can't speak to a broad position but if you have an example it would be helpful. In general though dismissing peoples concerns whether or not you consider them real or not is not going to get people to agree with you.

Okay, so somehow men in general think they are the real victims in our society

Problems men have doesn't take away from or diminish from problems others have, those are independent things. Problems I have in my life are independent form Problems you have in your life and whether or not you may have worse problems doesn't take away from my own problems.

Their complaints aren't valid

Okay then if you don't consider their concerns valid don't complain when they aren't on your side. If you want to appeal to them then you have to actually address their concerns and not dismiss them as invalid. If you don't want to do that then don't appeal to them or count on their support, you can't have it both ways.

What exactly to you think that we should do?

I'm not advocating to bring in people into a specific tent, that's what Whitmer is advocating for per this post. That is on her and others who want to appeal to a group of people to figure out. All I can say is that if you dismiss people's concerns as invalid then they won't be on your side...whether or not you consider that to be a problem or not is another story. I'm not advocating for any position here as I am notnin a position to do so.

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A large majority of CEOs and people in leadership roles at companies are men. Their complaints aren't valid and the data and basic common sense proves it.

Regular men and men at the top don't have the same struggles and cannot reasonably be compared any more than your mom can be compared to the Queen of England.

Do you know any recruiters? I do. The one I've been in a relationship with for quite a long time has vented frustrations about how she is expected to dismiss white male candidates out of hand unless she can prove that no other candidates are satisfactory. This has been an expectation at 3 separate employers. So when you go and dismiss the idea that discrimination against white men isn't gaining traction, backed solely by the left, I can say firsthand (well, secondhand) that you're wrong. At a systemic level, discrimination against white men alive and well and the fact that folks like you gaslight about its nonexistence pushes men who would otherwise be on your side away from your cause.

I am a liberal. Raise the minimum wage, feed the poor, support Ukraine, convert our elections to the popular vote, tax the rich, etc, liberal. Basically nothing about my policy goals aligns with the Republican party, the actions of the left haven't stopped at ending discrimination, they have reversed it, and that's not good either.. Most will publicly deny it, some even believe those denials, but it's very real, it's more common than you think, and it's driving men away from you and the other causes you want our support to facilitate.

You'd do well to consider that maybe dismissing everything you don't like as being equivalent to Bigfoot isn't a good way to run a political party or movement.

[u/SpecificPace2440 → u/ruiner8850]

I see where you're coming from but I disagree with the messaging. I always see the CEO line being marched out. As if we just had more minorities and women as CEOs then somehow the working class would stop being fucked raw upside down. 

I think the focus needs to be less on "breaking glass ceilings" while the working class continues to get absolutely blasted and focus on returning dignity for working class people and instilling a sense of class consciousness. I'm not saying to stop striving for equity, but recenter the focus back on improving material reality versus symbolic gestures.

People want someone with vision and enthusiasm and willing to fight. I think one of the biggest obstacles democrats face is that they seem so detached, focus-group tested and corporate to the core. Trump is an idiot, but Trump has a vigor that energizes people to action, and is willing to say things that piss people off and be aggressive. He appeals to peoples grievances, some which are real, but preys on their worse impulses.

[u/element4life257 → u/ruiner8850]

…..bruh. this is such an ugly look and I think it will be one of the hardest things to untangle and explain away in the future. there’s no excuse for such willful ignorance, especially considering the values that democrats claim to take seriously.

[u/Airforce32123 → u/ruiner8850]

Even though we've had 59 straight presidential elections where a man has won. 73.1% of the US Congress are men. Military leadership is mostly men. A large majority of CEOs and people in leadership roles at companies are men.

You just listed a bunch of shit that has 0 standing on how average people's lives are lived. Does the president being a white man magically fix the fact that more women are attending college than men? Does it change that men are way more likely to die at work? Or that men kill themselves 4x more than women?

You all absolutely refuse to acknowledge any problems that men have and you'll continue to alienate them until you do.

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Their worldview relies on (white) men being privileged, confronting that would probably break their brain in half.