r/MonsterHunter • u/EnderDracon • Mar 02 '25

MH Wilds “Hunter, the Guild authorizes” is so damn cool Spoiler

The handler in wilds feels so much less like some sidekick and more of a HANDLER. Like, we’re the guild’s blade and she is the hand that guides us. The guild has given her FULL AUTONOMY to act on their behalf, and she alone can decide what we are hunting. The lines also came at really good times during cutscenes and overall just fed the vibes lol. Especially the final fight of low rank? SHIVERS

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u/Psychomeister Mar 02 '25

I liked the part where The Hunter asks for permission to end Arkveld and everyone knows exactly what that means. There is not a shred of doubt that Arkveld will die fighting you. Nata treats it like you taking his sick dog out back with a gun.

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u/beiszapfen ​ Mar 02 '25

our hunter feels so badass because of that. Like Arkveld isn't that scary our hunter is

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u/Osmodius Mar 02 '25

We are kind of a horror story for the natives.

These random people show up and proceed to annihilate their way through every myth and monster you've known for your entire life and probably the last few generations.

Lightning monster that controls the Plains? Gone. Dead.

Giant water leviathan that makes areas Un visit able? Gone dead.

Monster that guards the way to the farseer? Annihilated. Go home.

Deadly new monster that is tearing apart village's? Dead. Eviscerated.

They must be thinking their lucky stars we don't appear hostile.

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u/datwunkid Mar 02 '25

Wait til they learn there's at least 7 more legendary hunters out there in the world that has killed even stronger monsters (at least until all the TUs and the expansion comes out for Wilds).

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u/Bruhbd ​ Mar 03 '25

Yeah if Wilds protag kills a black dragon which it seems like they are hinting he will probably be considered strongest so far

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u/nemestrinus44 ​ Mar 03 '25

It’s somewhat possible that the final boss was supposed to be a black dragon? Or at least based off of one. Our Hunter comments on it being all black under the crystals and it was created to destroy the enemy country that Wyveria fought against

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

100 percent it's mixed with fatalis. Look at the lighting attacks and fire attacks, that's regular and white fatalis. 

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u/Terminus_04 ​Accel Axe Wen Mar 03 '25

Working theory being the thing the Wyveria was originally trying to defend against was possibly a Fatalis?

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u/Chocolatine_Rev Mar 03 '25

I'm split on that

On one way, it fits, fighting fire with fire you take your worst enemy and make a guardian outa him

But on the other hand, it does seems like Wyveria was PREPARING for something terrible, not that they were undergoing something terrible, and if so, it'd make much more sense that they made a guardian out of a fatalis ( their ultimate guardian creation ) and that fatalis genes overtook it

We know from lore that even in death, fatalis still lives through it's remnant ? It's also very much implied that a hunter wearing fatalis armor will become a fatalis eventually

So if they made a guardian out of a fatalis, it getting out of control and running amok would be really fitting

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u/StormTAG Mar 04 '25

it'd make much more sense that they made a guardian out of a fatalis ( their ultimate guardian creation ) and that fatalis genes overtook it

If I read correctly, it's implied Zho Shia is completely artificial and not based on any pre-existing monster (at least, not the way that all the other Guardians are.) Though, them making it but then it going berserk and running amok is still totally possible even without a connection to Fatalis.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

Most likely to defend against the Artians. Since they don't seem to actually be part of the Keepers who focused less on technology and more on biomancy and chemistry with the Wylk. The Keepers are missing pretty much all of the big technological siege weapons likely because they relied on the guardians instead for battles.

Would also be a great way to incorporate the old Dragon War concept. We know elder dragons don't behave like that cause at the end of the day they're animals. But you know what would fight in armies? The guardians. Ebony is even described as a Sentry. There was a dragon war and the Keepers were the dragons.

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u/bloode975 Mar 05 '25

This is the theory I would go with, it's to defend against fatalis 100%, in the current Canon the precursor to Fatalis is Alatreon right? Zoh Shia is actually a mutated/Guardian Alatreon, it has similar powers to Arkveld in its absorption of the natural elements so its return to origin (kind of) makes sense.

Alatreons title is "The Blazing Black Dragon", Zoh Shias title is "White Blazing Dragon", they're using the very precursor to the kingdom destroyer, something they could feasibly beat or possibly control to fight back, but black dragons are forces of nature in the truest senses and its passive absorption of elemental energy explains it going crazy and out of control.

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u/KK_35 ​​ | ​ | ​​ | Mar 03 '25

My theory is that wyveria was governed/controlled by wyverians who kept a lower caste of humans as workers/researchers (the keepers). I think they created the guardians to defend against other monsters initially but then made the final boss to defend against encroaching armies/nations who coveted their research on artificial life and dragontorch teachnology. There are pics of the Ancient Civilization from other games owning giant robots called Equal Dragon Weapons. I think those are what our final boss was made to fight.

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u/Pure_garbadge Mar 03 '25

Don’t forget the meteors which counts for crimson as well

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

Also has the bouncing flames.

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

And the way it changes between using the wylk and fatalis moves kind of like alatreon element change (but of a stretch), Yeah they just thought they'd take every black dragon possible and make a guardian, except dire miralis I don't think that's used.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

I don't think any other black dragon besides Fatalis was used tbh. It only has the two Fatalis elements. Lightning and Fire. It doesn't have dragon element which Alatreon would have definitely added because that's how Alatreon switches elements. Alatreon is a pure dragon element monster and because dragon element can be turned into other elements it's doing that with the use of its horns. Without dragon element no Alatreon type element swapping.

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u/scaperLover Mar 03 '25

Gore magala and fatalis/alatreon maybe?

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u/ChaoticChoir Mar 03 '25

It was absolutely an attempt to mimic Fatalis, given its aesthetic as the fight progresses and several of its attacks.

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u/PineappleLemur Mar 03 '25

It is 100% a black dragon.. just covered by Wylk that it took in as it's power. Similar to frost monsters using ice as a shell or second skin.

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u/Zeelu2005 Mar 03 '25

Im of the opinion that this is basically the equal dragon weapon but real this time.

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u/LouieSiffer Mar 04 '25

Pretty much this, the guardians seem like a revamped version of that idea, though I hope MR gives us a redesigned EDW as the final superboss, zoh shia is cool but we need something as hard as world fatalis to do it justice.

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u/flyingawaysomewhere ​ TRANSFORM! Mar 03 '25

I think they also merged Gore Magala dna in there, because if you look at the wings they look and behave just like the extra ‘wing arms’ from Gore. Overall really cool fight and design!

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u/ChainSwUniCrn Mar 03 '25

My first reaction when I saw it was more along the lines of 'Holy shit, they made Guardian Gore!' but I can definitely see it being based off a black dragon too, maybe not Fatalis though.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

If itll only be 1 Black Dragon then the Sapphire Star is still the better Hunter, 2 Black Dragons and the Jiivas is a better record than just a black dragon.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

I mean, if we are talking Just about that (which we shouldn't tbh, black dragons aren't that important), both GU hunter and 4U hunter are leagues above anything that was done in the new world. In 4u all the 3 fatalis get killed, and even gigants like ukanolos and akantor, not to mention that the deviants are so over the top that a black dragon looks like nothing.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

Thats assuming those extensive BD kills are official, afaik Worldborne and up Fatalis kills are the only canon ones. I dont doubt 4Us story considering Fabius himself is walking proof it happened but I dont think any of its BD kills happened.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

I mean, ok, world reset the Canon and made that fatalis the actual One, but if we are that strict It would mean ignoring every single title before world, which Is not something cool or that capcom themselves do, since 4u Is everpresent in wilds. I'll give you an arm and agree for White fatalis, since that One Is technically an event only quest, but the others still count.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

I think they're referring to the key quests. Sure, your 4U hunter fought Fatalis, but did mine after I completed the game? Did Sandra's hunter? Jon's? What we all fought was Dalamadur, Ukanlos, etc. but not all of us fought Fatalis. Capcom's canon hunter might not have fought Fatalis. They did hunt Dalamadur though.

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u/Tiny_Caramel_4642 Mar 03 '25

afaik Worldborne and up Fatalis kills are the only canon ones.

This is straight up wrong, those kills are also non-canon.

Cite the lorebook to see why that is.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

Really? Ive looked at the lore book and cant remember where it stated its not a confirmed kill. Isnt it the Fatalis that destroyed Schrade and the only one ever recorded officially and the others got retconned?

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u/xVARYSx Mar 03 '25

Not to mention we slayed the monster (Dalamadur) in 4U thats corpse literally creates the rotten vale in world. I think 4U hunter is without a doubt the goat of all hunters.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Yeah, feat wise dalamadur always was, in my opinion, a bigger thing than fatalis, at least the black One. White and Crimson are contender, but razing a Kingdom to the ground in a day Is something minor, compared to crushing whole mountains and summoning meteors from space. Snakes are really strong in mh tbh, not to talk about that Crazy big raviente, but Frontier isn't Canon, so... Better I stop here, because my mind Is starting to wander in powerscaler mentality and that's a big nono

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Yeah, feat wise dalamadur always was, in my opinion, a bigger thing than fatalis, at least the black One. White and Crimson are contender, but razing a Kingdom to the ground in a day Is something minor, compared to crushing whole mountains and summoning meteors from space. Snakes are really strong in mh tbh, not to talk about that Crazy big raviente, but Frontier isn't Canon, so... Better I stop here, because my mind Is starting to wander in powerscaler mentality and that's a big nono

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u/ColourlessWorld Mar 03 '25

4U Hunter is the strongest based on track record followed by the Freedom Unite Hunter.

Both are the only hunters alive who'm have slain a White Fatalis, a monster so powerful it causes a Lunar Eclipse and a portal/Black Hole to another dimension just by appearing.

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u/thegoldchicken Mar 03 '25

Also judging off of the Hunters reaction to the final boss and what other hunters say about them. I like to think that they perhaps hunted down a black dragon before

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u/Osamodaboy ​​Tri - 4U - WI - RS - Wilds Mar 03 '25

Isn't Wilds protagonist supposed to be the hunter from previous games ? It is hinted in the dialogues that he has moved from places to places often, and never sticks too long in one place.

Also our Palico mentions the New World at some point, so I assumed he means that we had been together in World.

If so, the protagonist has alread killed a black dragon.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Not really clear tbh. It's not the new world hunter, and it's not 4u hunter since gemma would know us. Hard to Say It is the 3u hunter (but May be, since we know how to swim lol), doesn't feel like a hunter from yukumo or kamura. Maybe pokke or kokoto? The only known thing, afaik, Is that we "Lost something once ago" and that should let us handle nata Better, but It's not clear what It Is. That doesn't fit with any hunter we played, so it's probably Just a hunter with some experience, instead of a Total newbie rising to the top like in the other games

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u/Osamodaboy ​​Tri - 4U - WI - RS - Wilds Mar 03 '25

I believe Gemma says she knows us at the beginning of the game

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u/dogbreath101 Mar 02 '25

also that random octopus that showed up, dragged the nuisance fire apes into the abyss and didnt cause any trouble

how were we authorized on that one, the villagers had never seen it before and it helped out

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u/Osmodius Mar 02 '25

Guild has a "too many arms, kill it" protocol always in effect.

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u/fathertime979 Mar 02 '25

And legs. Spiders bad

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u/Terminus_04 ​Accel Axe Wen Mar 03 '25

Or eyes, cant forget that.

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u/Godothulhu Mar 02 '25

I think it was known about in some myths back in the day of the village. At least that's what some old NPC tells you. Back then it also destroyed the forge-thingy so maybe they were afraid that it would wreak havoc again.

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u/ArkGrimm Mar 03 '25

The old man explained that it's not the first time it showed up, and it usually attack the Everforge, the very thing this village is dependant on. Also a big fire squid being able to enter the village anytime it's hungry isn't a good thing...ask that one Keeper that got Xu Wu'd

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u/Strider_V Mar 02 '25

Balance with nature doesn’t necessarily mean preserving every species, it’s simply about only killing enough to keep people safe while preserving as much of the ecosystem’s natural order as possible. Meaning if a monster becomes too great a threat to the people or the ecosystem it’s our job to take care of it (at least that’s how I understood it).

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

One thing that Is important Is that humans ARE part of the ecosystem, many miss this. Hunting it's ok, the guild Simply prevents overhunting and senseless poaching

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u/Dragrunarm *Swing swing swing THWAK* Mar 03 '25

And boy howdy do they take poaching seriosly. For those wodnering they have dedicated Poacher-Hunters who are just as capable as the monster hunters - if not even more dangerous

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u/Former-Stock-540 ​ Mar 03 '25

Honestly I’m interested to see hunters that are meant to keep other hunter-tier humans in check.

“Who watches the watchmen?”

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u/Gemmy2002 Mar 03 '25

how were we authorized on that one

its presence also seems to amplify the Firespring somehow, making the Everforge impossible to control.

Since said forge is smack in the middle of Azuz, it going boom would have uh, consequences

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u/rinkydinkis Mar 03 '25

It’s tentacles were wayyyy bigger in that cutscene than they were in the fight

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u/DrakeVonDrake ​ Mar 03 '25

pretty sure that not long after you get that scene, someone in the guild/village stated that the Black Flame appeared once in the past and wrecked shit.

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u/-FourOhFour- Mar 04 '25

The oil chief knew of story's that the black flame had consumed (?) the fire in the forge during one of the celebrations, and no one stops a party.

Could make the logical assumption that something that powerful actively looking for fire to consume would power it up and thus it'd pose a threat, which would have been true but does seem bit strange to just assume that's a problem, but I guess a monster in a village is a bad thing.

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u/thoon Mar 03 '25

And, after all of that, the hunter shows up wearing the corpses of their gods as a fashion statement.

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u/Gibgezr Mar 03 '25

To be fair, I *do* look absolutely fabulous.

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u/Phiwatn Mar 03 '25

The natives can’t even fight giant frog lol

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u/AdvancedTower401 Mar 03 '25

Discovers grand calamities that would have reset the entire ecosystem, kills it and takes 1 feast and 10k zenny as thanks

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u/wandering-monster Mar 03 '25

Even worse: 

Mythical lightning monster of the plains? It's my hat now.

Giant water leviathan that appears when the sky falls out? It's my sword now.

New supernatural beast destroying villages? Sick ass white dress. Really great look, don't you think?

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u/EmperorFoulPoutine Mar 02 '25

We literally killed a monster that ended a civilization that can create life, has infinite power, weightless buildings, and can terraform.

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u/CompactOwl Mar 02 '25

That thing we fought in wilds wasn’t the dragon torch. It was drawing from it

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u/Chansharp Mar 03 '25

It was the monster that destroyed the Wyverian civilization though lol.

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u/CompactOwl Mar 03 '25

That’s true. But it cannot create life, has infinite power, defy natures law etc

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u/telamont Mar 03 '25

All those descriptions are of the civilization the monster destroyed, not the monster itself.

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u/CompactOwl Mar 03 '25

I thought it miss-understandable, so I added the explanation

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u/cybertier Mar 03 '25

Was it reasonable to rather decide the fate of all those people in a 1v1 instead of having the kid decide how it ends? Probably not.

Was it incredibly badass to see a civilisation ending entity and go... I can take that? Very much so.

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u/OneEntrepreneur3047 Mar 02 '25

If history is any indicator give it a few years and the next wave of settlers from the old lands will take care of that

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u/Milkshakes00 Mar 03 '25

We are kind of a horror story for the natives.

Honestly, one of the little things of the story that I had a problem with is how accepting the natives were of the Westerners just showing up. All the shit they've ever known starts going horribly wrong after we show up, but not a single person conspiracy theories into thinking it's because we showed up? C'mon! That's not realistic at all!

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u/Osmodius Mar 03 '25

Kinda felt like the entire story took place over the course of like 2 days. I know there was probably some exploring and investigating we didn't sit around for, but it was pretty quick paced. Not much time for conspiracy theorists to gather their thoughts.

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u/PineappleLemur Mar 03 '25

This lol, so much.

The whole time I'm thinking.... Are you guys really worried about monsters, guardians, artificial creations...?

You have a monster standing in front of you dressed up with the skin and bones of other monsters.

Get on his bad size and he CAN END LIFE AS WE KNOW IT lol.

Wild.

We hunters have always been the most terrifying thing in that universe.

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u/Vivid-Process-4421 ​swag Mar 03 '25

To be fair the natives don’t even know what a weapon is

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u/Boomerwell Mar 03 '25

Yeah I thought it was funny when the allhearken says the line something akin to you care about the ecosystem so I trust you.

I'm like lady the moment anything in this story has slightly inconvenienced us it has died.  Maybe if we had more scenes of us not killing stuff and instead relocating and doing research to prevent it from happening it would make more sense.

I just can't take any of the caring about the ecosystem stuff seriously when the moment anything encroaches or messes with humans it's just obliterated on the spot.

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u/Coldspark824 Mar 04 '25

The thing that cracks me up is the hunter can literally have a big knife or a shield and knife and they go: “what are those tools?!”

Like dude what have you been cutting your food with? You just cut a cheese in half. What was that? What have you been splitting rocks with?

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u/ActuallyLauron Mar 02 '25

Looks like we got a past where we lost something or someone important to us and have since gone solo and been deadly at it. At least, that's what I gathered from the hunter's conversation with Alma after encountering the Hirabami.

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u/rubychoco99 Mar 03 '25

Our handler from worlds got eaten so now we’re depressed and moody

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u/Sethirothlord Mar 03 '25

Also Olivia the ace even says it looks like it isn't our first time fighting big monsters.

The supposed ace.

Obviously our character has some sort of past and prior feats, my head cannon is that we are the world main character or something.

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u/Daiwon Mar 03 '25

I made my character similar to my world character, with a few extra scars and such. Didn't expect it to play out so well!

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u/Kaesh41 ​ Mar 03 '25

That's my headcanon too.

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u/RayereSs Mar 03 '25

Probably related to MH4, Fabius and Gemma are recurring characters, placing us 15-20 years after aforementioned.

Fabius rose through ranks to become Guild leader from being a Lancer capitan(?) so I assume we're either the hunter from MH4 (though that would make our character quite old by MHWi), their successor or a hunter that distingushed themselves after Fabius got promoted

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u/MikanKhatayin Mar 05 '25

I don't think it's the 4 hunter since Gemma said that she paired with an hunter just like the main character, but it's definetly an hunter from a game that had a Fatalis in it since they recognized the black dragon emerging from Zoh Shia.

Also from an Alma dialogue we know that it's a ''loner hunter who never settled with a theme'' so I don' think it's the hunter from world or rise either

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u/TurretX Mar 05 '25

I based mine off my hunter from Rise. Even though it probably doesnt make sense, my headcanon is that my guy fucked off to the new world after Sunbreak.

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u/LateDaikon6254 Mar 02 '25

My hunter does but every time I am like "Oh God wtf is that?" In terror over what is going to kick my face in next.

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u/Mcpoyles_milk Mar 03 '25

That slow walk just you and your ridiculously dressed cat just gives off cool guy and explosion vibes

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u/OwnUbyCake Koridic Mar 03 '25

I had on full Guardian Rathalos armor for that scene with the glowy red eyes in the helmet. Felt like I was the harbinger of death sent to put it down.

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u/Shradow ​ Mar 02 '25

My one minor gripe with the story was just how quickly Nata flipped about how he felt about Arkveld, but that's more on the pacing of it because it felt rushed. The feelings themselves felt understandable because he was clearly drawing parallels between his own life and Arkveld's, and you using that analogy makes it make even more sense.

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u/BZero4 Mar 02 '25

I agree that it needed one more narrative beat, but all of Nata's hate came from thinking his people were killed by Arkveld. Once he sees that, while there were some casualties, his uncle and the village itself is still there, it's way easier to stop hating the monster.

My only problem with the story is that they should've made Nata even younger in the very first cutscene. A 6 year old not knowing about their people's culture is one thing, an 11 year old is a bit harder to believe.

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u/InvisibleOne439 Mar 02 '25

iirc bettwen him getting lost in desert and the expedition getting send to the east, multiple years passed

its only mentioned 1-2x at the beginning, so ye he was even younger when he fleed

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u/eevyern Literally unkillable Mar 02 '25

I think it was mentioned that 2 years passed. so he would have been extremely juvenile when he thought he lost everything

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u/kafaldsbylur Mar 03 '25

I managed to not catch that. There was a quest where Alma said something along the lines of Nata changing in the years since she met him, and I was just like "Wait, years? I thought it was a few months at most"

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u/Equal_Interaction178 ​ Mar 03 '25

Yeah, i wish he'd visibly aged cus it was so confusing

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u/DemonLordSparda Mar 02 '25

At least he was about to be told the day their village was attacked. 11-13 is a pretty standard coming of age time.

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u/ZiofFoolTheHumans Mar 03 '25

He was 8-9 when he escaped. It's mentioned being at least two years since they found him. 

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u/DemonLordSparda Mar 02 '25

He's a kid, and he learned a rather surprising thing about Wyvern Milk and artificial monsters. He dealt with it by relating his situation to Arkveld's. It's relatively common in the innocent to extend empathy to the things around them. It felt reasonable to me.

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u/GladiatorDragon Mar 02 '25

And then when we have to kill it, it terrifies him, because that makes it seem like if he makes a bad choice without knowing any better, he’s next.

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u/MrChilliBean ​ Mar 03 '25

I mean, there's bad choices and then there's becoming a literal mindless killing machine that exists only to violently kill everything it sees

The story was way too rushed to earn that emotional pay-off. It came off as hollow when just a couple of hours earlier, we were fully ready to just annihilate Arkveld. If we'd gotten a couple more scenes that showed Arkveld as misunderstood, I might have felt something, but as it stood we'd only ever seen it causing massive amounts of damage, so when the time came to hunt it I felt absolutely no remorse even though the game clearly wanted me to question the ethics of it. Arkveld did nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

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u/G3sch4n Mar 03 '25

It would have been a better pay off if somehow it was made clear that Arkveld only gorged on energy to be able to fight Zoh Shia to protect the other guardians and the keepers.

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u/PookAndPie Mar 03 '25

I thought this is where the story was headed.

Rather than Arkveld having its joker moment and becoming addicted to blood and meat, I thought they were going to do something like "Arkveld is sacrificing its body to do its final act as guardian to protect Wyveria from Zoh Shia" or something.

Which would have been Primordial Malzeno 2 Hunter Boogaloo, but I'd have no issues with that, really.

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u/MrChilliBean ​ Mar 03 '25

Is that actually what it was doing, or is that what you'd do to fix it? If the former, where is that information given, because that would go a long way to making the Arkveld sympathy more understandable.

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u/G3sch4n Mar 03 '25

That is what I would do to fix the story. The sympathy for Arkveld kind of feels out of place, since the transition from "kill it with fire" to "please do not kill it" is so abrupt and the disregard for the monsters being eaten is kind of insane. Nobody with a working brain would see Arkveld over a mountain of bodies and think "oh the poor victim". But Arkveld being an anti-hero, that does abhorrent things for the greater good would make more sense and allow for the sympathy.

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u/MrChilliBean ​ Mar 03 '25

Ah okay yeah I agree. From the wording of your first comment I wasn't sure if this information was buried somewhere in a text file or something.

But yeah, they desperately needed to flesh out Arkveld if they wanted the player to feel any sympathy towards it.

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u/G3sch4n Mar 03 '25

I would have preferred a retcon type story. It would not change much either. You arrive at the massacre, everybody is shocked, you decide to kill it. The whole Nata bit about keeping it alive simply does not happen. And once you reach the real villain, you have a vocal epiphany about how it was absorbing the energy to slow down the end boss and you as a hunter/handler kind of fucked up. That is your reward for being hasty with judging and emotional. And the villain isn't a construct, but an elder dragon to explain the discrepancy in behaviour.

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u/Shradow ​ Mar 02 '25

Yeah the end result made perfect sense I just feel like maybe one more mission in between would have helped the pacing of it a bit.

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u/padlock3456 Mar 02 '25

I agree with this, needed like one more quest or to flesh out how Nata feels. Maybe one where we go on a survey with Nata and don't hunt a monster cause it isn't a danger currently. Idk...

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u/DislocatedLocation Mar 02 '25

At HR40ish in high rank you get the proper conclusion to Nata's character development.

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u/bluefoxrabbit 04 lance Mar 03 '25

My minor gripe was that Nata's sub story was so silly feeling at times.  Like him begging the PC to not kill the Arkveld that has created a mountain of corpses. Like no dude, that's a problem over there.

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u/plinky4 Mar 02 '25

Pacing was definitely fast. 5 minute talk and chocobo ride > kill something> okay! next area! Whiplash speeds of blitzing through every biome.

I'm surprised to say this, but LR could've used some padding. At least let you feel a little comfy with each map and at least slightly care about what area is what. On the other hand, you know a ton of players are just going "oh it's LR skip skip skip tutorial skip skip let me get to the actual game".

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u/Early-Journalist-14 Mar 02 '25

but that's more on the pacing of it because it felt rushed.

that's just the entire story.

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u/SnooMacaroons6960 Mar 03 '25

yea, if i was there i would have bitch slap the kid for being annoying. getting to ride with my alma all day is enough to be in my shit list

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u/BoogalooBandit1 ​ Mar 02 '25

My favorite was the "By my own Authority..."

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u/Rathurue Insanely Edgy Mar 02 '25

heavily implied "...*'m gonna skin this one."

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u/ZinogreTW ​ Mar 03 '25

gon make a fine hat

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u/Maronmario And my Switch Axe Mar 03 '25

Ironically it's the one monster in the entire franchise you can't make a hat out of (yet)

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u/JackONhs Mar 03 '25

I can't wait till we see an AT version with scaled up mechanics. Imagine needing to clear a safe zone every crystal phase with elemental damage and its line attack being chaining and seeking.

It's got so much room to grow as a fight. I can't wait.

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u/coolasj19 28d ago

I thought that I was so badass until- “By my own authority, I will say Arkvald” -is fuckin’ rolling back in a cart like 3 minutes later- “Oh fuck, cough Arkvalds got hands”

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u/m0rdr3dnought Mar 02 '25

They really nailed the feeling of playing as an experienced hunter, especially compared to World.

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u/HaroldSax ​ I Poke, Therefore, I Am. Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

Weren’t you specifically a rookie or close to it with World’s story?

E: You were emphatically not a rookie lol, copy that.

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u/TyrusDalet Mar 02 '25

In World you were an Ace Hunter from the Old World, all the hunters that came over on the fleets were

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u/eevyern Literally unkillable Mar 02 '25

especially a certain ace cadet

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u/Pedro_64 Mar 02 '25

Hunter from world was most likely a bored hunter. No every hunter goes killing World Ending beast. Most are stuck in a village like Moga carrying eggs, killing dromes and occasionally chasing off a rathalos.

Imagine if you can enroll on a expedition to a place literally called "new world" 

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u/Dylangillian Mar 03 '25

and occasionally chasing off a rathalos.

Chasing of a Rathalos solo is already a big deal if you consider average Hunters. Most Hunters are only capable of solo hunting the lower tier Large monsters and would require a squad for something on the level of Rathalos to kill.

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u/Rathurue Insanely Edgy Mar 02 '25

You're not a rookie per se, but not yet a veteran. Think of it like you have completed 5-10 hunts before, so not a rookie out of Training School but not yet a veteran with tons of hunt under your belt.

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u/Soapy97 Mar 02 '25

The hunter in World is an “Ace Hunter” from the Old World. They had a lot more than 5-10 hunts under their belt. It’s also inferred through dialogue across the game that our hunter in World is also the leader of the 5th Fleet

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u/1word2word Mar 02 '25

Yeah I got the impression the game was giving you leeway to headcannon that it is the same hunter from world's or really any generation when Olivia talks about how you are famously known as someone that is a wanderer and is known for working solo.

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u/PaperMartin Mar 02 '25

Also her lines about having experiences with large monsters like jin dahad

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u/Alblaka Mar 03 '25

If that's true, MH:World failed at conveying that to me. It distinctly felt as if you're 'just' one of the A-listers, constantly taking orders from the Expedition Leader, his protege and the admiral (not necessarily in that order). Towards the end of Iceborne this slightly changes into you being the heroic 'Saphire Star', but it definitely feels more like you worked your way from being a nameless rank of the file to that title, rather than you starting out as a leader.

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u/correconlobos ​ Mar 02 '25

Yeah that's exactly what I said to my partner I was like we gotta put this dog down

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u/Typical_Variety_9541 Mar 02 '25

I’m so disappointed with all the complainers about the story. I found the story very engaging and I thought it was probably about as peak as a monster hunter game can get without completely changing the game into something no longer recognizable. I felt like it did a great job of hyping you up for every big fight and making me feel like a god-level hunter

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u/XB1CandleInTheDark Mar 02 '25

That's one of the reasons I liked it, the story gives you opportunity for those moments. Like World had its moments but that was right at the end like with Fatalis

"Your odds?" "Heh, in my favour as always."

"It's time...to fight history!"

"This monster is a reality, partner...but that means I KNOW you can kill it!"

So yeah i get that people get a little off with the cutscenes and such during low rank but I feel like it really sets the tone for the whole game and low rank which is pretty much a tutorial in any monster hunter game is the perfect place to do that.

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u/TheIvoryDingo FORE! Mar 02 '25

And I honestly don't really mind it for Low Rank either, as you're still getting used to the various areas and their various intricacies.

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u/Alblaka Mar 03 '25

Yeah, I feel a lot of the disdain for the story is missplaced anger at the way the story is conveyed. The railroady early nature of low rank, plus the constant NPC escorts probably cause a lot of (reasonable) negativity that is then associated with the entirety of the story.

Like, the NPCs are exceptionally well done, in actually being competent at their jobs (with occasional hiccups), and legitimately being an addition to the story & gameplay, rather than a nuisance.

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u/Thorn14 Mar 02 '25

The STORY is fine, its the way they went about presenting it that deserves criticism.

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u/Typical_Variety_9541 Mar 02 '25

I disagree. I thought it was fun. I enjoyed every part of it. Reddit commenters need to understand that there are no objectively correct opinions

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u/Darvati Mar 03 '25

Railroading people into a forced section that removes all of their agency in a videogame, is pretty objectively shit fellow reddit commenter. Its doubly shit in a game that is multiplayer centric and disallows you from engaging in the multiplayer every time it forces itself on you.

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u/Typical_Variety_9541 Mar 03 '25

I’m not having a bad faith argument in the Reddit comments about the fact that you can have 1,000 “justifications” for your opinion and it still means absolutely nothing to anyone else. You don’t like it, I did. Get over it man you don’t have an argument about why it’s bad that will change my mind. I’ll bite the bait and explain my side a bit more because you don’t understand my point. You think it’s objectively bad but you’ve probably never created anything in your entire life and put it out in the world. The developers aren’t incompetent children they’re talented artists and engineers. Have you considered maybe they WANTED you to get put on rails for 90 seconds for some reason or another? Intentionally slowing the player down to make them focus on something they want you to focus on? Whether or not you agree with the choice or like it matters little. It’s easy to armchair quarterback the choices that are made when games are made, but it’s completely different to actually be behind the scenes making the choices.

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u/Disig DOOT DOOT Mar 03 '25

I'm really liking the story.

What I don't like is the fake out cutscenes that give you some control but not really. It was very annoying. If you're going to put my character on rails do it right.

And the dialogue was....mostly cheesy. Just felt like a kindergarten let's get together dialogue.

But I say it's an overall improvement from past stories. We have a handler who is a character and feels like she contributes. Our palicos seem more useful and interactive too. And I appreciate the side characters.

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u/Alili1996 Pokepokepoke Mar 03 '25

I liked the story but i disliked the way the story was presented with so many on rail sections.
Cut down some of that slack or leave it as background dialogue while letting you actually control your game and i wouldn't have any complaints.

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u/Ok_Awareness3860 Mar 02 '25

without completely changing the game into something no longer recognizable.

It very much rode the border of this, and that's what some fans don't like. The story itself was okay enough, but the implementation was pretty much abysmal, and most people agree.

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u/narok_kurai Mar 02 '25

I mean, was it really worse than a bunch of mandatory siege quests or rampage quests? For the most part, the story followed the exact same progression it always does, just with a group of sidekicks that were notably chattier than usual.

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u/sarg1010 Mar 02 '25

I'm honestly convinced the people complaining about the on-rails parts need subway surfers to be playing for them to focus. They last no longer than a minute and a half.

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u/eevyern Literally unkillable Mar 02 '25

i know i'm in the minority, but i definitely enjoyed the on-rails sections. yes, they prevented you from gathering that Honey spot right outside the boundary, but they allowed you to experience what was going on in the world that, to your Hunter and Handler both, are unknown as hell.

so many complaints too about how boring the story scenes are, and how there are so many cutscenes between each section of monster slaying, but World and Wilds are both doing the same thing that not enough people appreciate: they're building a world with an ecology for the Hunter and Handler to understand as an expedition team. each interaction between monsters on screen just fleshes out this fictional world a little more each time, and it's always a sight to behold (for me, at least)

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u/Typical_Variety_9541 Mar 02 '25

Literally. They are all short and they are there for you to ooooo and ahhhh at the pretty biomes.

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u/Thorn14 Mar 02 '25

No just being on-rails constantly and the game going "No no, you can't play with friends yet" feels bad.

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u/Ok_Awareness3860 Mar 02 '25

That's why they let you collect materials while you walk. They knew they made the game so boring they needed to keep you awake.

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u/Ok_Awareness3860 Mar 02 '25

Yes, it was really worse. During rampages I'm playing the game, while doing siege quests I am playing the game. During Wilds I am playing the game for 5 minutes every 10-15 minutes.

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u/Stalk33r Mar 02 '25

I would rather lorewalk the entire map in Wilds than do a single tower defense/zora magnaros quest ever again

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u/Ok_Awareness3860 Mar 02 '25

Just say you don't like playing the game bro.

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u/Stalk33r Mar 02 '25

Wilds has the best gameplay in the entire series and doesn't force me to do shitty minigames every hunt.

The campaign is like 1% of the total playtime and the cutscenes were worth being autopiloted around for.

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u/Ok_Awareness3860 Mar 02 '25

Wilds has the best gameplay in the entire series

Even you will see how hilarious this sounds in a year or two. When you look back. I'm laughing though.

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u/TheIvoryDingo FORE! Mar 02 '25

Not the person you replied to, but I personally wasn't a fan of the Zorah Magdaros siege or the Rampages because I felt they were too different from the average gameplay loop that lasted way too long.

Compared to those, the on rails walking sections where you get to take in the environment are honestly a nice chill vibe.

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u/Typical_Variety_9541 Mar 02 '25

It’s all opinions your tone is pretentious. I liked it, that’s all I’m saying

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u/ArkGrimm Mar 03 '25

Yeah, the game makes you feel like an unstoppable force of nature that Alma can unleash anytime just by saying a few words...and it's sick as hell

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u/baroncalico Mar 03 '25

“Step aside, Nata. I need a new hat.”

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u/BlackTarTurd Mar 03 '25

Then the Hunter becomes even more badass when he rolls up to the final monster and is like, "By my OWN Authorization."

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u/reddashe Mar 03 '25

This is where the concept finally clicked for me. Like sure maybe we shouldn’t ruin the ecosystem but it really felt like I’m just way too powerful and need to be kept on a leash. Then the fight after where the hunter grants themselves permission to kill. Like dayummmmm

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u/EtrianFF7 Mar 03 '25

Was the most annoying lart of the story, Nata coping acting like we arent going to kill Arkveld the second we get the chance.

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u/justanothervoidling Mar 03 '25

Oh ill get you, and your little dog too!

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u/MadammeMarkus ​ Mar 03 '25

Best scene in the game so far. I really dislike Nata as a character, so I was so stoked when guild authority just walked all over his childish opinion.

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u/Melatonen Mar 03 '25

Nata is the most annoying character in the game after that scene. Like brother read the fucking room.

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u/Adaphion Mar 03 '25

And then the part against Zoh Shia where YOU GIVE YOURSELF permission to slay it.

Just, chefs kiss

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u/Vescend Mar 03 '25

I'm waiting for a meme

"Nata, I have to kill this one."

"Damn.."

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u/Ahielia Mar 03 '25

Nata treats it like you taking his sick dog out back with a gun.

I feel like I missed something important because that was so weird to me. Not long before, Nata was trying to throw rocks and begging the hunter for weapons and armour to go kill it, then Nata wanted to save it at any cost?

I may have spaced out a bit because I didn't really like Nata for most of the story.

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u/BeegYeen Mar 03 '25

This time around they’re really leaning into the power fantasy.

Everyone is shocked by how you can just go toe to toe with monsters.

Your character is the embodiment of confidence. Just like “oh, yeah, impossible challenge? Whatever, let me 1v1 it. They constantly act that way throughout the entire low rank story, knowing exactly what to do, not showing any fear, and just kinda effortlessly beating everything that is a legendary menace to the region

Them asking for permission to fight Arkveld is exactly that.

I’m honestly not sure if I like that direction to be honest. Makes my character feel like a Mary Sue

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u/flyingawaysomewhere ​ TRANSFORM! Mar 03 '25

One of the best scenes fr. She’s like the hand of god setting the angel of death upon their foes

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u/Shayden998 27d ago

Smash-cut to the hunter from MH1 fighting for his/her god damn life...

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25

Fr i was like "Nata STFU" 😆