r/MonsterHunter • u/EnderDracon • Mar 02 '25

MH Wilds “Hunter, the Guild authorizes” is so damn cool Spoiler

The handler in wilds feels so much less like some sidekick and more of a HANDLER. Like, we’re the guild’s blade and she is the hand that guides us. The guild has given her FULL AUTONOMY to act on their behalf, and she alone can decide what we are hunting. The lines also came at really good times during cutscenes and overall just fed the vibes lol. Especially the final fight of low rank? SHIVERS

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u/beiszapfen ​ Mar 02 '25

our hunter feels so badass because of that. Like Arkveld isn't that scary our hunter is

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u/Osmodius Mar 02 '25

We are kind of a horror story for the natives.

These random people show up and proceed to annihilate their way through every myth and monster you've known for your entire life and probably the last few generations.

Lightning monster that controls the Plains? Gone. Dead.

Giant water leviathan that makes areas Un visit able? Gone dead.

Monster that guards the way to the farseer? Annihilated. Go home.

Deadly new monster that is tearing apart village's? Dead. Eviscerated.

They must be thinking their lucky stars we don't appear hostile.

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u/datwunkid Mar 02 '25

Wait til they learn there's at least 7 more legendary hunters out there in the world that has killed even stronger monsters (at least until all the TUs and the expansion comes out for Wilds).

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u/Bruhbd ​ Mar 03 '25

Yeah if Wilds protag kills a black dragon which it seems like they are hinting he will probably be considered strongest so far

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u/nemestrinus44 ​ Mar 03 '25

It’s somewhat possible that the final boss was supposed to be a black dragon? Or at least based off of one. Our Hunter comments on it being all black under the crystals and it was created to destroy the enemy country that Wyveria fought against

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

100 percent it's mixed with fatalis. Look at the lighting attacks and fire attacks, that's regular and white fatalis. 

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u/Terminus_04 ​Accel Axe Wen Mar 03 '25

Working theory being the thing the Wyveria was originally trying to defend against was possibly a Fatalis?

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u/Chocolatine_Rev Mar 03 '25

I'm split on that

On one way, it fits, fighting fire with fire you take your worst enemy and make a guardian outa him

But on the other hand, it does seems like Wyveria was PREPARING for something terrible, not that they were undergoing something terrible, and if so, it'd make much more sense that they made a guardian out of a fatalis ( their ultimate guardian creation ) and that fatalis genes overtook it

We know from lore that even in death, fatalis still lives through it's remnant ? It's also very much implied that a hunter wearing fatalis armor will become a fatalis eventually

So if they made a guardian out of a fatalis, it getting out of control and running amok would be really fitting

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u/StormTAG Mar 04 '25

it'd make much more sense that they made a guardian out of a fatalis ( their ultimate guardian creation ) and that fatalis genes overtook it

If I read correctly, it's implied Zho Shia is completely artificial and not based on any pre-existing monster (at least, not the way that all the other Guardians are.) Though, them making it but then it going berserk and running amok is still totally possible even without a connection to Fatalis.

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u/EliteWario Mar 04 '25

I thought arkveld was the one that wasn't based on existing monsters but I might have missed something

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

Most likely to defend against the Artians. Since they don't seem to actually be part of the Keepers who focused less on technology and more on biomancy and chemistry with the Wylk. The Keepers are missing pretty much all of the big technological siege weapons likely because they relied on the guardians instead for battles.

Would also be a great way to incorporate the old Dragon War concept. We know elder dragons don't behave like that cause at the end of the day they're animals. But you know what would fight in armies? The guardians. Ebony is even described as a Sentry. There was a dragon war and the Keepers were the dragons.

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u/bloode975 Mar 05 '25

This is the theory I would go with, it's to defend against fatalis 100%, in the current Canon the precursor to Fatalis is Alatreon right? Zoh Shia is actually a mutated/Guardian Alatreon, it has similar powers to Arkveld in its absorption of the natural elements so its return to origin (kind of) makes sense.

Alatreons title is "The Blazing Black Dragon", Zoh Shias title is "White Blazing Dragon", they're using the very precursor to the kingdom destroyer, something they could feasibly beat or possibly control to fight back, but black dragons are forces of nature in the truest senses and its passive absorption of elemental energy explains it going crazy and out of control.

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u/KK_35 ​​ | ​ | ​​ | Mar 03 '25

My theory is that wyveria was governed/controlled by wyverians who kept a lower caste of humans as workers/researchers (the keepers). I think they created the guardians to defend against other monsters initially but then made the final boss to defend against encroaching armies/nations who coveted their research on artificial life and dragontorch teachnology. There are pics of the Ancient Civilization from other games owning giant robots called Equal Dragon Weapons. I think those are what our final boss was made to fight.

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u/Pure_garbadge Mar 03 '25

Don’t forget the meteors which counts for crimson as well

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

Also has the bouncing flames.

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

And the way it changes between using the wylk and fatalis moves kind of like alatreon element change (but of a stretch), Yeah they just thought they'd take every black dragon possible and make a guardian, except dire miralis I don't think that's used.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

I don't think any other black dragon besides Fatalis was used tbh. It only has the two Fatalis elements. Lightning and Fire. It doesn't have dragon element which Alatreon would have definitely added because that's how Alatreon switches elements. Alatreon is a pure dragon element monster and because dragon element can be turned into other elements it's doing that with the use of its horns. Without dragon element no Alatreon type element swapping.

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

Well guess what buddy, I have an agenda to push so dire miralis comes in the expansion.(I forgot it was dragon element and not just having them, my bad)

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u/scaperLover Mar 03 '25

Gore magala and fatalis/alatreon maybe?

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u/ChaoticChoir Mar 03 '25

It was absolutely an attempt to mimic Fatalis, given its aesthetic as the fight progresses and several of its attacks.

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u/PineappleLemur Mar 03 '25

It is 100% a black dragon.. just covered by Wylk that it took in as it's power. Similar to frost monsters using ice as a shell or second skin.

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u/Zeelu2005 Mar 03 '25

Im of the opinion that this is basically the equal dragon weapon but real this time.

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u/LouieSiffer Mar 04 '25

Pretty much this, the guardians seem like a revamped version of that idea, though I hope MR gives us a redesigned EDW as the final superboss, zoh shia is cool but we need something as hard as world fatalis to do it justice.

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u/flyingawaysomewhere ​ TRANSFORM! Mar 03 '25

I think they also merged Gore Magala dna in there, because if you look at the wings they look and behave just like the extra ‘wing arms’ from Gore. Overall really cool fight and design!

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u/ChainSwUniCrn Mar 03 '25

My first reaction when I saw it was more along the lines of 'Holy shit, they made Guardian Gore!' but I can definitely see it being based off a black dragon too, maybe not Fatalis though.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

If itll only be 1 Black Dragon then the Sapphire Star is still the better Hunter, 2 Black Dragons and the Jiivas is a better record than just a black dragon.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

I mean, if we are talking Just about that (which we shouldn't tbh, black dragons aren't that important), both GU hunter and 4U hunter are leagues above anything that was done in the new world. In 4u all the 3 fatalis get killed, and even gigants like ukanolos and akantor, not to mention that the deviants are so over the top that a black dragon looks like nothing.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

Thats assuming those extensive BD kills are official, afaik Worldborne and up Fatalis kills are the only canon ones. I dont doubt 4Us story considering Fabius himself is walking proof it happened but I dont think any of its BD kills happened.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

I mean, ok, world reset the Canon and made that fatalis the actual One, but if we are that strict It would mean ignoring every single title before world, which Is not something cool or that capcom themselves do, since 4u Is everpresent in wilds. I'll give you an arm and agree for White fatalis, since that One Is technically an event only quest, but the others still count.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

I think they're referring to the key quests. Sure, your 4U hunter fought Fatalis, but did mine after I completed the game? Did Sandra's hunter? Jon's? What we all fought was Dalamadur, Ukanlos, etc. but not all of us fought Fatalis. Capcom's canon hunter might not have fought Fatalis. They did hunt Dalamadur though.

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u/Tiny_Caramel_4642 Mar 03 '25

afaik Worldborne and up Fatalis kills are the only canon ones.

This is straight up wrong, those kills are also non-canon.

Cite the lorebook to see why that is.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

Really? Ive looked at the lore book and cant remember where it stated its not a confirmed kill. Isnt it the Fatalis that destroyed Schrade and the only one ever recorded officially and the others got retconned?

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u/Tiny_Caramel_4642 Mar 03 '25

The last part of the lorebook, where it states all the events that happened in W:IB.

If you look at the kanji, it says "repelled" for Fatalis, and Alatreon, compared to the others' "slain".

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u/xVARYSx Mar 03 '25

Not to mention we slayed the monster (Dalamadur) in 4U thats corpse literally creates the rotten vale in world. I think 4U hunter is without a doubt the goat of all hunters.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Yeah, feat wise dalamadur always was, in my opinion, a bigger thing than fatalis, at least the black One. White and Crimson are contender, but razing a Kingdom to the ground in a day Is something minor, compared to crushing whole mountains and summoning meteors from space. Snakes are really strong in mh tbh, not to talk about that Crazy big raviente, but Frontier isn't Canon, so... Better I stop here, because my mind Is starting to wander in powerscaler mentality and that's a big nono

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Yeah, feat wise dalamadur always was, in my opinion, a bigger thing than fatalis, at least the black One. White and Crimson are contender, but razing a Kingdom to the ground in a day Is something minor, compared to crushing whole mountains and summoning meteors from space. Snakes are really strong in mh tbh, not to talk about that Crazy big raviente, but Frontier isn't Canon, so... Better I stop here, because my mind Is starting to wander in powerscaler mentality and that's a big nono

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u/ColourlessWorld Mar 03 '25

4U Hunter is the strongest based on track record followed by the Freedom Unite Hunter.

Both are the only hunters alive who'm have slain a White Fatalis, a monster so powerful it causes a Lunar Eclipse and a portal/Black Hole to another dimension just by appearing.

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u/thegoldchicken Mar 03 '25

Also judging off of the Hunters reaction to the final boss and what other hunters say about them. I like to think that they perhaps hunted down a black dragon before

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u/Osamodaboy ​​Tri - 4U - WI - RS - Wilds Mar 03 '25

Isn't Wilds protagonist supposed to be the hunter from previous games ? It is hinted in the dialogues that he has moved from places to places often, and never sticks too long in one place.

Also our Palico mentions the New World at some point, so I assumed he means that we had been together in World.

If so, the protagonist has alread killed a black dragon.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Not really clear tbh. It's not the new world hunter, and it's not 4u hunter since gemma would know us. Hard to Say It is the 3u hunter (but May be, since we know how to swim lol), doesn't feel like a hunter from yukumo or kamura. Maybe pokke or kokoto? The only known thing, afaik, Is that we "Lost something once ago" and that should let us handle nata Better, but It's not clear what It Is. That doesn't fit with any hunter we played, so it's probably Just a hunter with some experience, instead of a Total newbie rising to the top like in the other games

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u/Osamodaboy ​​Tri - 4U - WI - RS - Wilds Mar 03 '25

I believe Gemma says she knows us at the beginning of the game

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u/dogbreath101 Mar 02 '25

also that random octopus that showed up, dragged the nuisance fire apes into the abyss and didnt cause any trouble

how were we authorized on that one, the villagers had never seen it before and it helped out

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u/Osmodius Mar 02 '25

Guild has a "too many arms, kill it" protocol always in effect.

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u/fathertime979 Mar 02 '25

And legs. Spiders bad

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u/Terminus_04 ​Accel Axe Wen Mar 03 '25

Or eyes, cant forget that.

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u/Godothulhu Mar 02 '25

I think it was known about in some myths back in the day of the village. At least that's what some old NPC tells you. Back then it also destroyed the forge-thingy so maybe they were afraid that it would wreak havoc again.

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u/ArkGrimm Mar 03 '25

The old man explained that it's not the first time it showed up, and it usually attack the Everforge, the very thing this village is dependant on. Also a big fire squid being able to enter the village anytime it's hungry isn't a good thing...ask that one Keeper that got Xu Wu'd

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u/Strider_V Mar 02 '25

Balance with nature doesn’t necessarily mean preserving every species, it’s simply about only killing enough to keep people safe while preserving as much of the ecosystem’s natural order as possible. Meaning if a monster becomes too great a threat to the people or the ecosystem it’s our job to take care of it (at least that’s how I understood it).

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

One thing that Is important Is that humans ARE part of the ecosystem, many miss this. Hunting it's ok, the guild Simply prevents overhunting and senseless poaching

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u/Dragrunarm *Swing swing swing THWAK* Mar 03 '25

And boy howdy do they take poaching seriosly. For those wodnering they have dedicated Poacher-Hunters who are just as capable as the monster hunters - if not even more dangerous

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u/Former-Stock-540 ​ Mar 03 '25

Honestly I’m interested to see hunters that are meant to keep other hunter-tier humans in check.

“Who watches the watchmen?”

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u/Gemmy2002 Mar 03 '25

how were we authorized on that one

its presence also seems to amplify the Firespring somehow, making the Everforge impossible to control.

Since said forge is smack in the middle of Azuz, it going boom would have uh, consequences

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u/rinkydinkis Mar 03 '25

It’s tentacles were wayyyy bigger in that cutscene than they were in the fight

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u/DrakeVonDrake ​ Mar 03 '25

pretty sure that not long after you get that scene, someone in the guild/village stated that the Black Flame appeared once in the past and wrecked shit.

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u/-FourOhFour- Mar 04 '25

The oil chief knew of story's that the black flame had consumed (?) the fire in the forge during one of the celebrations, and no one stops a party.

Could make the logical assumption that something that powerful actively looking for fire to consume would power it up and thus it'd pose a threat, which would have been true but does seem bit strange to just assume that's a problem, but I guess a monster in a village is a bad thing.

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u/thoon Mar 03 '25

And, after all of that, the hunter shows up wearing the corpses of their gods as a fashion statement.

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u/Gibgezr Mar 03 '25

To be fair, I *do* look absolutely fabulous.

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u/Phiwatn Mar 03 '25

The natives can’t even fight giant frog lol

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u/AdvancedTower401 Mar 03 '25

Discovers grand calamities that would have reset the entire ecosystem, kills it and takes 1 feast and 10k zenny as thanks

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u/wandering-monster Mar 03 '25

Even worse: 

Mythical lightning monster of the plains? It's my hat now.

Giant water leviathan that appears when the sky falls out? It's my sword now.

New supernatural beast destroying villages? Sick ass white dress. Really great look, don't you think?

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u/EmperorFoulPoutine Mar 02 '25

We literally killed a monster that ended a civilization that can create life, has infinite power, weightless buildings, and can terraform.

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u/CompactOwl Mar 02 '25

That thing we fought in wilds wasn’t the dragon torch. It was drawing from it

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u/Chansharp Mar 03 '25

It was the monster that destroyed the Wyverian civilization though lol.

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u/CompactOwl Mar 03 '25

That’s true. But it cannot create life, has infinite power, defy natures law etc

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u/telamont Mar 03 '25

All those descriptions are of the civilization the monster destroyed, not the monster itself.

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u/CompactOwl Mar 03 '25

I thought it miss-understandable, so I added the explanation

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u/cybertier Mar 03 '25

Was it reasonable to rather decide the fate of all those people in a 1v1 instead of having the kid decide how it ends? Probably not.

Was it incredibly badass to see a civilisation ending entity and go... I can take that? Very much so.

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u/OneEntrepreneur3047 Mar 02 '25

If history is any indicator give it a few years and the next wave of settlers from the old lands will take care of that

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u/Milkshakes00 Mar 03 '25

We are kind of a horror story for the natives.

Honestly, one of the little things of the story that I had a problem with is how accepting the natives were of the Westerners just showing up. All the shit they've ever known starts going horribly wrong after we show up, but not a single person conspiracy theories into thinking it's because we showed up? C'mon! That's not realistic at all!

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u/Osmodius Mar 03 '25

Kinda felt like the entire story took place over the course of like 2 days. I know there was probably some exploring and investigating we didn't sit around for, but it was pretty quick paced. Not much time for conspiracy theorists to gather their thoughts.

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u/PineappleLemur Mar 03 '25

This lol, so much.

The whole time I'm thinking.... Are you guys really worried about monsters, guardians, artificial creations...?

You have a monster standing in front of you dressed up with the skin and bones of other monsters.

Get on his bad size and he CAN END LIFE AS WE KNOW IT lol.

Wild.

We hunters have always been the most terrifying thing in that universe.

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u/Vivid-Process-4421 ​swag Mar 03 '25

To be fair the natives don’t even know what a weapon is

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u/Boomerwell Mar 03 '25

Yeah I thought it was funny when the allhearken says the line something akin to you care about the ecosystem so I trust you.

I'm like lady the moment anything in this story has slightly inconvenienced us it has died.  Maybe if we had more scenes of us not killing stuff and instead relocating and doing research to prevent it from happening it would make more sense.

I just can't take any of the caring about the ecosystem stuff seriously when the moment anything encroaches or messes with humans it's just obliterated on the spot.

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u/Coldspark824 Mar 04 '25

The thing that cracks me up is the hunter can literally have a big knife or a shield and knife and they go: “what are those tools?!”

Like dude what have you been cutting your food with? You just cut a cheese in half. What was that? What have you been splitting rocks with?

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u/ActuallyLauron Mar 02 '25

Looks like we got a past where we lost something or someone important to us and have since gone solo and been deadly at it. At least, that's what I gathered from the hunter's conversation with Alma after encountering the Hirabami.

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u/rubychoco99 Mar 03 '25

Our handler from worlds got eaten so now we’re depressed and moody

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u/Sethirothlord Mar 03 '25

Also Olivia the ace even says it looks like it isn't our first time fighting big monsters.

The supposed ace.

Obviously our character has some sort of past and prior feats, my head cannon is that we are the world main character or something.

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u/Daiwon Mar 03 '25

I made my character similar to my world character, with a few extra scars and such. Didn't expect it to play out so well!

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u/Kaesh41 ​ Mar 03 '25

That's my headcanon too.

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u/RayereSs Mar 03 '25

Probably related to MH4, Fabius and Gemma are recurring characters, placing us 15-20 years after aforementioned.

Fabius rose through ranks to become Guild leader from being a Lancer capitan(?) so I assume we're either the hunter from MH4 (though that would make our character quite old by MHWi), their successor or a hunter that distingushed themselves after Fabius got promoted

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u/MikanKhatayin Mar 05 '25

I don't think it's the 4 hunter since Gemma said that she paired with an hunter just like the main character, but it's definetly an hunter from a game that had a Fatalis in it since they recognized the black dragon emerging from Zoh Shia.

Also from an Alma dialogue we know that it's a ''loner hunter who never settled with a theme'' so I don' think it's the hunter from world or rise either

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u/TurretX Mar 05 '25

I based mine off my hunter from Rise. Even though it probably doesnt make sense, my headcanon is that my guy fucked off to the new world after Sunbreak.

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u/LateDaikon6254 Mar 02 '25

My hunter does but every time I am like "Oh God wtf is that?" In terror over what is going to kick my face in next.

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u/Mcpoyles_milk Mar 03 '25

That slow walk just you and your ridiculously dressed cat just gives off cool guy and explosion vibes

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u/OwnUbyCake Koridic Mar 03 '25

I had on full Guardian Rathalos armor for that scene with the glowy red eyes in the helmet. Felt like I was the harbinger of death sent to put it down.