r/MonsterHunter • u/EnderDracon • Mar 02 '25

MH Wilds “Hunter, the Guild authorizes” is so damn cool Spoiler

The handler in wilds feels so much less like some sidekick and more of a HANDLER. Like, we’re the guild’s blade and she is the hand that guides us. The guild has given her FULL AUTONOMY to act on their behalf, and she alone can decide what we are hunting. The lines also came at really good times during cutscenes and overall just fed the vibes lol. Especially the final fight of low rank? SHIVERS

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u/Bruhbd ​ Mar 03 '25

Yeah if Wilds protag kills a black dragon which it seems like they are hinting he will probably be considered strongest so far

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u/nemestrinus44 ​ Mar 03 '25

It’s somewhat possible that the final boss was supposed to be a black dragon? Or at least based off of one. Our Hunter comments on it being all black under the crystals and it was created to destroy the enemy country that Wyveria fought against

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

100 percent it's mixed with fatalis. Look at the lighting attacks and fire attacks, that's regular and white fatalis. 

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u/Terminus_04 ​Accel Axe Wen Mar 03 '25

Working theory being the thing the Wyveria was originally trying to defend against was possibly a Fatalis?

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u/Chocolatine_Rev Mar 03 '25

I'm split on that

On one way, it fits, fighting fire with fire you take your worst enemy and make a guardian outa him

But on the other hand, it does seems like Wyveria was PREPARING for something terrible, not that they were undergoing something terrible, and if so, it'd make much more sense that they made a guardian out of a fatalis ( their ultimate guardian creation ) and that fatalis genes overtook it

We know from lore that even in death, fatalis still lives through it's remnant ? It's also very much implied that a hunter wearing fatalis armor will become a fatalis eventually

So if they made a guardian out of a fatalis, it getting out of control and running amok would be really fitting

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u/StormTAG Mar 04 '25

it'd make much more sense that they made a guardian out of a fatalis ( their ultimate guardian creation ) and that fatalis genes overtook it

If I read correctly, it's implied Zho Shia is completely artificial and not based on any pre-existing monster (at least, not the way that all the other Guardians are.) Though, them making it but then it going berserk and running amok is still totally possible even without a connection to Fatalis.

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u/EliteWario Mar 04 '25

I thought arkveld was the one that wasn't based on existing monsters but I might have missed something

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u/StormTAG Mar 04 '25

Arkveld is a species that has gone extinct by current times but existed in the time of Wyveria.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

Most likely to defend against the Artians. Since they don't seem to actually be part of the Keepers who focused less on technology and more on biomancy and chemistry with the Wylk. The Keepers are missing pretty much all of the big technological siege weapons likely because they relied on the guardians instead for battles.

Would also be a great way to incorporate the old Dragon War concept. We know elder dragons don't behave like that cause at the end of the day they're animals. But you know what would fight in armies? The guardians. Ebony is even described as a Sentry. There was a dragon war and the Keepers were the dragons.

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u/bloode975 Mar 05 '25

This is the theory I would go with, it's to defend against fatalis 100%, in the current Canon the precursor to Fatalis is Alatreon right? Zoh Shia is actually a mutated/Guardian Alatreon, it has similar powers to Arkveld in its absorption of the natural elements so its return to origin (kind of) makes sense.

Alatreons title is "The Blazing Black Dragon", Zoh Shias title is "White Blazing Dragon", they're using the very precursor to the kingdom destroyer, something they could feasibly beat or possibly control to fight back, but black dragons are forces of nature in the truest senses and its passive absorption of elemental energy explains it going crazy and out of control.

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u/KK_35 ​​ | ​ | ​​ | Mar 03 '25

My theory is that wyveria was governed/controlled by wyverians who kept a lower caste of humans as workers/researchers (the keepers). I think they created the guardians to defend against other monsters initially but then made the final boss to defend against encroaching armies/nations who coveted their research on artificial life and dragontorch teachnology. There are pics of the Ancient Civilization from other games owning giant robots called Equal Dragon Weapons. I think those are what our final boss was made to fight.

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u/Pure_garbadge Mar 03 '25

Don’t forget the meteors which counts for crimson as well

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

Also has the bouncing flames.

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

And the way it changes between using the wylk and fatalis moves kind of like alatreon element change (but of a stretch), Yeah they just thought they'd take every black dragon possible and make a guardian, except dire miralis I don't think that's used.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

I don't think any other black dragon besides Fatalis was used tbh. It only has the two Fatalis elements. Lightning and Fire. It doesn't have dragon element which Alatreon would have definitely added because that's how Alatreon switches elements. Alatreon is a pure dragon element monster and because dragon element can be turned into other elements it's doing that with the use of its horns. Without dragon element no Alatreon type element swapping.

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u/Ok-Cycle-6245 ​ Mar 03 '25

Well guess what buddy, I have an agenda to push so dire miralis comes in the expansion.(I forgot it was dragon element and not just having them, my bad)

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u/scaperLover Mar 03 '25

Gore magala and fatalis/alatreon maybe?

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u/ChaoticChoir Mar 03 '25

It was absolutely an attempt to mimic Fatalis, given its aesthetic as the fight progresses and several of its attacks.

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u/PineappleLemur Mar 03 '25

It is 100% a black dragon.. just covered by Wylk that it took in as it's power. Similar to frost monsters using ice as a shell or second skin.

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u/Zeelu2005 Mar 03 '25

Im of the opinion that this is basically the equal dragon weapon but real this time.

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u/LouieSiffer Mar 04 '25

Pretty much this, the guardians seem like a revamped version of that idea, though I hope MR gives us a redesigned EDW as the final superboss, zoh shia is cool but we need something as hard as world fatalis to do it justice.

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u/flyingawaysomewhere ​ TRANSFORM! Mar 03 '25

I think they also merged Gore Magala dna in there, because if you look at the wings they look and behave just like the extra ‘wing arms’ from Gore. Overall really cool fight and design!

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u/ChainSwUniCrn Mar 03 '25

My first reaction when I saw it was more along the lines of 'Holy shit, they made Guardian Gore!' but I can definitely see it being based off a black dragon too, maybe not Fatalis though.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

If itll only be 1 Black Dragon then the Sapphire Star is still the better Hunter, 2 Black Dragons and the Jiivas is a better record than just a black dragon.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

I mean, if we are talking Just about that (which we shouldn't tbh, black dragons aren't that important), both GU hunter and 4U hunter are leagues above anything that was done in the new world. In 4u all the 3 fatalis get killed, and even gigants like ukanolos and akantor, not to mention that the deviants are so over the top that a black dragon looks like nothing.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

Thats assuming those extensive BD kills are official, afaik Worldborne and up Fatalis kills are the only canon ones. I dont doubt 4Us story considering Fabius himself is walking proof it happened but I dont think any of its BD kills happened.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

I mean, ok, world reset the Canon and made that fatalis the actual One, but if we are that strict It would mean ignoring every single title before world, which Is not something cool or that capcom themselves do, since 4u Is everpresent in wilds. I'll give you an arm and agree for White fatalis, since that One Is technically an event only quest, but the others still count.

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

I think they're referring to the key quests. Sure, your 4U hunter fought Fatalis, but did mine after I completed the game? Did Sandra's hunter? Jon's? What we all fought was Dalamadur, Ukanlos, etc. but not all of us fought Fatalis. Capcom's canon hunter might not have fought Fatalis. They did hunt Dalamadur though.

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u/Tiny_Caramel_4642 Mar 03 '25

afaik Worldborne and up Fatalis kills are the only canon ones.

This is straight up wrong, those kills are also non-canon.

Cite the lorebook to see why that is.

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u/Hezik ​ Mar 03 '25

Really? Ive looked at the lore book and cant remember where it stated its not a confirmed kill. Isnt it the Fatalis that destroyed Schrade and the only one ever recorded officially and the others got retconned?

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u/Tiny_Caramel_4642 Mar 03 '25

The last part of the lorebook, where it states all the events that happened in W:IB.

If you look at the kanji, it says "repelled" for Fatalis, and Alatreon, compared to the others' "slain".

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u/TheIronSven Mar 03 '25

Repelled is interesting because they constantly try to make us break it's head. Most likely that one will be back as crimson once the horn regrows.

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u/Tiny_Caramel_4642 Mar 03 '25

Perhaps.

That would be a good way to introduce Crimson to the modern games.

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u/xVARYSx Mar 03 '25

Not to mention we slayed the monster (Dalamadur) in 4U thats corpse literally creates the rotten vale in world. I think 4U hunter is without a doubt the goat of all hunters.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Yeah, feat wise dalamadur always was, in my opinion, a bigger thing than fatalis, at least the black One. White and Crimson are contender, but razing a Kingdom to the ground in a day Is something minor, compared to crushing whole mountains and summoning meteors from space. Snakes are really strong in mh tbh, not to talk about that Crazy big raviente, but Frontier isn't Canon, so... Better I stop here, because my mind Is starting to wander in powerscaler mentality and that's a big nono

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Yeah, feat wise dalamadur always was, in my opinion, a bigger thing than fatalis, at least the black One. White and Crimson are contender, but razing a Kingdom to the ground in a day Is something minor, compared to crushing whole mountains and summoning meteors from space. Snakes are really strong in mh tbh, not to talk about that Crazy big raviente, but Frontier isn't Canon, so... Better I stop here, because my mind Is starting to wander in powerscaler mentality and that's a big nono

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u/ColourlessWorld Mar 03 '25

4U Hunter is the strongest based on track record followed by the Freedom Unite Hunter.

Both are the only hunters alive who'm have slain a White Fatalis, a monster so powerful it causes a Lunar Eclipse and a portal/Black Hole to another dimension just by appearing.

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u/thegoldchicken Mar 03 '25

Also judging off of the Hunters reaction to the final boss and what other hunters say about them. I like to think that they perhaps hunted down a black dragon before

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u/Osamodaboy ​​Tri - 4U - WI - RS - Wilds Mar 03 '25

Isn't Wilds protagonist supposed to be the hunter from previous games ? It is hinted in the dialogues that he has moved from places to places often, and never sticks too long in one place.

Also our Palico mentions the New World at some point, so I assumed he means that we had been together in World.

If so, the protagonist has alread killed a black dragon.

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u/AstarothTheJudge Mar 03 '25

Not really clear tbh. It's not the new world hunter, and it's not 4u hunter since gemma would know us. Hard to Say It is the 3u hunter (but May be, since we know how to swim lol), doesn't feel like a hunter from yukumo or kamura. Maybe pokke or kokoto? The only known thing, afaik, Is that we "Lost something once ago" and that should let us handle nata Better, but It's not clear what It Is. That doesn't fit with any hunter we played, so it's probably Just a hunter with some experience, instead of a Total newbie rising to the top like in the other games

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u/Osamodaboy ​​Tri - 4U - WI - RS - Wilds Mar 03 '25

I believe Gemma says she knows us at the beginning of the game