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u/Farkyrie001 Mar 03 '25
Flayer is kinda nutty, though. Wounds are very, very strong.
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u/lGloughl Mar 04 '25
The Swaxe focus attack combo has been dealing like 50% of my damage each hunt lol
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u/TeddIsDead Mar 05 '25
I’m increasingly feeling like my frustration with certain weapons is lack of skills. Gotta finish the story and get to HR so I can actually play the game lol
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u/Storm_373 Mar 03 '25
does it even work in multi player ? in solo i immediately noticed the wounds but in multi i may as well not have it. just the health steal
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u/RollercoasterRave Mar 04 '25
Difficulty scales with players. Meaning the more players, the more HP the monster have (hp of breakable parts). Unless ofc all 4 of you run flayer and part breaker for sure you'll be breaking parts left and right.
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u/Vritrin Mar 04 '25
Also could be other people popping wounds asap to get whatever bonus their weapon gets from it.
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u/lurkynumber5 Mar 04 '25
*Looks at bow users...
Can I get 1 SINGLE WOUND PLEASE!
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u/ThinLizzyfan8432 Mar 03 '25
Where's critical eye 7?
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u/Jaba01 Mar 03 '25
Cannot fit that currently. Builds are a bit limited due to how armor and weapon decos are separated. I guess they wanted people to go for more balanced builds instead of full glass cannon.
Not sure if I like it just yet.
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u/GarenBushTerrorist Mar 03 '25
Just gotta roll an Artian weapon and fat enough crit decos. Rank 8 Artian gives 3 3 slots.
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u/Jaba01 Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
Still, you lose out on the innitate skills the regular R8 weapons have. It's not like they're a huge advantage and you need the decos first.
For example the jin GS has focus 3, a 3 slot, a 2 slot and a 1 slot.
That's means you get focus 3 and crit eye 6 if you only socket crit eye.
If you go with the artisan weapon, you would have to socket focus 3, so that leaves you with 2x 3. So the most you could achieve is also crit eye 6.
Their big advantage is the flexibility and they're a little stronger when fully upgraded.
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u/MichaCazar Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
Let's not forget that you can get up to 45% affinity with artisan weapons. With just a few lucky rolls, you can easily get a weapon that is inherently a lot stronger than Jin, aside from element.
Also, crit eye us only level 5 at max no?
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u/SalmonToastie Mar 03 '25
Yeah but they look ugly
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u/Storm_373 Mar 03 '25
i fee like they left out layred weapons in purpose and artian only exist so min maxes and gamblers can grind
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u/SlimDirtyDizzy Mar 03 '25
Straight up why I am ignoring them, yes I know they are better but the game isn't hard enough yet that I need to fully minmax, so I'm just gonna keep using my pretty weapons.
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Mar 04 '25
Maybe this is just me, but I plan on only making Artian weapons just to collect them, but probably not actually use them. They seem incredibly overpowered right now if you get a decent one, and we don't really need em.
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u/SlimDirtyDizzy Mar 03 '25
Not sure if I like it just yet.
Personally I hate it, but I run Gunlance so I'm required to have Load Shells 2 and Artillery 3 at all times, so I get to have 1 slot to have an offensive skill with, yay.
I also feel like now on armor I'm not excited to put in skills I just end up going "Guess I add divine blessing or constitution?".
The fact we can't even put weapon defensive skills like Guard on armor is really frustrating.
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u/sylvester334 Mar 03 '25
I understand why they went with this new setup, but I want like 5 weapon skills for my charge blade, but I'll only be able to reasonably fit 2-3 unless I run non-maxed skills. :(
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u/Present_Ride_2506 Mar 04 '25
I like it, it makes taking QoL decos feel better since you know you aren't losing theoretical dps
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u/iruleatants Mar 03 '25
It's not that they wanted more balanced builds, it's all about their attempt at an open world game.
They want you to be out in the field and come across a monster, kill it, and then keep running around to the next monster. So they moved the damage abilities to your weapon, so that way you can swap between your primary/secondary weapon without needing to change armor.
It's not a system that works well, since there are more than two elements so you'll have to switch weapons anyways.
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u/Ordoblackwood Mar 03 '25
Do you actually do this Is till just fast travel back to camp in-between hunts because it doesn't really take long to do so.
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I hate it, they 100% made it to incentivise running 2 different wepapons, but you still need to optimize certain armor perks based on weapon so its not really worth it imo.
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u/Ryu008 Mar 03 '25
Critical eye only has 5 levels now and gives 20% at max
Critical boost has now 5 levels too mit you need all 5 to get to the 140% you had in older games at level 3
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u/TwilightYonder720 Mar 03 '25
oh boy Weakness Ex has 5 lvls now lol
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u/Alblaka Mar 03 '25
It takes all 5 levels to get the 30+20% affinity though. Also, wounds disappear after X damage was done, so affinity-against-wounds is notably weaker than affinity-against-tenderized.
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u/Sengel123 Mar 03 '25
also loads of weapons pop them immediately, so you're not generating a ton of extra damage as opposed to burst which is basically on all the time, and partbreaker/flayer that generates TONS of wounds and damage.
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u/hungry_fish767 Mar 04 '25
Yeah it's nerfed. Meaning pick a different skill cause wex isn't worth it anymore
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u/Manshoku Mar 03 '25
i like part breaker + flayer + burst more rn
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u/Tran555 Mar 04 '25
Could you list armor pieces for it ? I just got first 2 no burst. Any good combo ?
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u/Avilow Mar 04 '25
odogaron and later on arkveld set pieces
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u/elalexsantos Mar 04 '25
Is partbreaker really that good with flayer? I crafted the pieces without PB so Idk how good it is.
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u/ThatLeetGuy Mar 04 '25
Partbreaker makes you deal more damage to wounds when destroying them
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u/Kuwabara03 Mar 03 '25
Oh that's badass
Shovels fists full of Might Pills into my mouth for free to buff the team
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u/OldSodaHunter Mar 04 '25
The intrusive desire to just build a super optimized support built with the rompopolo set, even though I'm a solo player..
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u/Kuwabara03 Mar 04 '25
If you're solo bc you don't like strangers the SoS in Wilds brings your fellow NPC Hunters like Olivia into the hunt when in a Private Lobby!
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u/btran935 Mar 03 '25
Really? I feel like this setup has been nerfed since the level breakpoints got bigger but the boosts remained the same if not a bit less
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u/ZankaA why is this the only insect glaive flair Mar 03 '25
I think flayer and/or partbreaker are better than agitator
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u/frstone2survive Mar 03 '25
Isnt WEX kinda dogshit now? Focus strike do so much damage that I dont feel like hitting the wounds to get higher affinity for that specific spot is worth it.
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u/Sivin Mar 03 '25
It’s not only for wounds but the weak spots. You just get a little extra for wounds on weak points.
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u/frstone2survive Mar 03 '25
Ah good to know ty!
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u/inadequatecircle Mar 03 '25
Not to mention you can still crit with focus attacks. In fact focus attacks are probably where WEX excels.
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u/frstone2survive Mar 03 '25
Fair point actually. So Wex is potentially cracked with proper setup.
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u/inadequatecircle Mar 03 '25
It's still definitely worse than old WEX, but that's not at all a fair comparison cause that shit was busted as fuck.
Definitely think it's still good and probably contributes a lot to crit boost builds even when not hitting wounds. But without a question notably more investment, and with offensive decorations being a bit more premium it'll have to fight for it's slot a lot more. Which I think is a good thing.
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u/frstone2survive Mar 03 '25
I wasnt thinking of it in my DB builds but with the amount of wounds I generate currently it would be probably worth running.
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u/Armor_of_Thorns Mar 05 '25
WEX is a level 3 armor deco so it is expensive but not on the level of weapon decos
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u/Sivin Mar 03 '25
With Flayer it might do some serious sustained damage.
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u/frstone2survive Mar 03 '25
Yup was just thinking of how I could incorporate it into my set im planning to use, cause it wasnt a part of it at first...but flayer + wex sounds great for an elemental DB setup. Rath DBs potentially w/ masters touch.
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u/Jamesish12 Mar 03 '25
I'm sure it's good. We just don't have a button to keep a monster enraged all the time, that I'm aware of anyway.
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u/SlimDirtyDizzy Mar 03 '25
Yeah Agitator has felt way less valuable to me here than in previous titles, I think Flayer is just better.
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u/Fruitlingz Mar 03 '25
I'm just a little lost on what to build for HH, a lot of what I used to look for in armor is now weapon specific it seems like slugger (as one example)
I'm thinking part breaker with the piercing melody, even if IM not the one breaking most wounds, openingnthem for others seems useful but idk
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u/Mehds Mar 03 '25
Been similarly conflicted. Starting to test elemental HH, and wondering if I shouldn't just go for a comfort set with evade window / evade extender
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u/Fruitlingz Mar 03 '25
Kind of my thought I've been running a blast horn but it's got offset which isn't my favorite. Great songs for making stuff dumb easy like defense/alignment bubble and divine blessing, then eventually the blasts just kind of finish things lol
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u/Allah__Ragbar Mar 04 '25
My plan for my horn build is to go odo helm and gloves, balongla chest pants and boots, to get agitator 5 and burst 4 and use a blast horn. Chainblade charm to get a point of flayer, and destroyer jewels for partbreaker
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u/ELFCHASER Mar 04 '25
pre launch they said they were moving damage skills to weapons to promote build diversity and then like 90% of weapons just have qol shit like focus or power prolonger and all the actual juicy damage is from armor skills
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u/Thotsthoughts97 Mar 05 '25
Imo it actually makes builds much less diverse. In the old system you could build comfy skills with maxed out crit for good damage + comfort. Now you basically have to decide if you want to do one or the other. The only people who were actually running every single damage skill were speedrunners, you could just go WEX + another crit skill(weapon dependent) + master's touch, then go for divine blessing/HP up/ Speed eating etc. I dislike the change.
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u/GryffynSaryador Mar 04 '25
I hope they keep skill bloat somewhat in check going forward. I actually like that you cant slot in offensive skills ungabunga on every set piece. Its a nice way to balance things without going back to the negative set points from old gen. It was funny slotting in 20 skills in one set in rise but I dont need that stuff as a baseline for future entries
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u/CarbuncleTamer Mar 03 '25
I almost forgot they used MHNow to test bed skills. Burst was broken when it first came around in that too but eventually has been replaced by crazier skills. If they bring in Valor raw sets are gonna see a huge uptick in use.
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u/Fuyge Mar 03 '25
Disagree with Wex is much worse than in world. Still good but not too priority. Other skills are much stronger.
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u/Aerodim101 Mar 03 '25
Wex, Might, Latent power and Agitator are the only ways to get good crit chance right now. Weapons barely ever get above 15% aff and there is just a lot more incidental crit buffs instead of a static amount. Wex is still very, VERY strong. It just costs more. Which it should imo.
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u/Fuyge Mar 03 '25
Yeah that’s kinda my point. I’m not saying it’s not strong. I’m just saying it’s not what it was in world were it was the strongest skill by far. It depends a lot on the weapon of course and for some it’s the best option, but it’s not like in world.
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u/Aerodim101 Mar 03 '25
Agitator was hands down the strongest skill in world. You could force enrages for 90% of the hunt and just get free stats from it
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u/Royal_empress_azu Mar 03 '25
Wex is not much worse. The current meta sets revolve primarily around wex. Nerfing wex doesn't matter if the majority of the other skills are moved to the weapon slot reducing competition. On top of Crit boost 3 being the most important deco in the game right now.
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u/Zenoae Mar 03 '25
Is crit boost more important than critical element if I'm running elemental CB?
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u/AstalosBoltz914 Mar 03 '25
I got the perfect gs build in mind
Flayer for the wound formations Wex max 2 pieces of gore for the frenzy bonus Corrupted mantle (for activating frenzy) Crit boost max And attack boost max/offensive guard max (idk which is better)
For weapon…
Artian rarity 8 gs with blast Part modifier Attack boost Attack boost Affinity boost
The 5 upgrade slots being 2 attack 2 affinity
Last one can be another attack or a sharpness booster
The set allows for affinity to max at 100% and this also allows gs to have max damage output with both Flayer wound making and crit boost modifier
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u/DeadSkullMonkey Mar 03 '25
Why is the level indicator in orange for agitator, but not the rest?
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u/Level_Elevator_310 Mar 03 '25
Agitator is full 5/5, the others are missing a slot, example: 4/5 for weakness exploit
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u/red_dawn12 ​ ​ ​ Mar 03 '25
So in terms of builds and now that most weapons comes with a skill, will it be fine to bring, let's say, a fire sns with offensive guard against for example a rathalos? Am I better off using a pure raw weapon?
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u/MagicWithEarvin Mar 04 '25
MH Wilds is actually going to be Flayer 5, Burst 5 and Part Breaker 3. The rest is whatever else you can fit into that for your weapon of choice.
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u/Wise-Seesaw-772 Mar 04 '25
Personally i was shocked they gave us quick sheathe in early low rank. Then the endgame flagship monsters greatsword came with focus 3. Wild.
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u/Malaix Mar 03 '25
Given the difficulty of this game minmaxing like this is just straight up bullying these monsters generally. lol
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u/TheAlternis Mar 04 '25
i hate this so much becasue they made it harder to get guard + offensive guard but sure lets add like 3 armor sets with agitator and evade window or constitution but not a single defensive set in sight really capcom? the only way to get guard is slots but thatm means no offensive guard no artillary no guard up no minds eye no element attack ups the new system limits builds to raw damage so much
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u/BlackTarTurd Mar 04 '25
I've low-key become an avid fan of Resentment... Didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I do. But, the idea of my hunter getting injured and going into a blood rage is kind of funny.
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u/CeaseNY Mar 04 '25
I know one thing they need to fix the ui so the skills with the most levels show up at the top, my build screen looking like that has been killing me. Nice set tho!
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u/Visual_Worldliness62 Mar 04 '25
Yall should craft the Low rank Ark gear and go fight some monsters in Highrank. Get back to me on it.
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u/VurtuneMTG Mar 04 '25
Is there an actual website where i can see the full values / modifiers of all of the skills?
I find it quite hard to find such things as explained as they are in an ARPG e.g.
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u/ezio144 Mar 04 '25
Recently finished the story, how do you achieve this? Is this just armor skills and decos?
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u/ZenNote Mar 04 '25
Agitator too me has lost a lot of its value as did Weakness Exploit ( in Rise already btw) Burst and Maximum Might seem busted tho. (On SnS)
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u/ShiroFoxya Mar 04 '25
Am i the only one who doesn't understand the popularity of agitator? Are monsters enraged that often?
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u/Modula-Kudzu BUG STICK & Namielle enjoyer Mar 04 '25
I'd rather have a mix of flayer, focus, and burst (Insect glaive)
Agitator isn't that great anymore because you can't easily force enrage like you could with clutch claw in world
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u/Realistic_Wrap_2551 Mar 06 '25
They do it good now with more lv for skill and option skill build for each.
Like status build you will want fourey, crit status and other crit buff with cheap point like frenzy virus and status up.
Raw will focus more in flayer, partbreak, agigantor and weakness exploit
Element with element converter, crti element, brust, adapt that all buff the element damage to max
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u/tankercat67 Mar 03 '25
Oh, Idk about that. Flayer, Burst, and Partbreaker are all VERY strong since wounds are strong and plentiful (depending on weapon). WEX was nerfed to grant the majority of its bonus to wounds rather than vulnerable parts, so I've mostly been seeing it run with Flayer as well.