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u/MrBytor 23h ago
I've got full evade distance and window and like damn it's not enough for those AoEs. Bad place to be a bonker.
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u/AstronomerStandard 14h ago
Carted twice with the hammer. Slapped in my sns and never carted, might be because bonkers need to bonk the head which puts u in the line of fire almost all the time.
Bad day to be a bonker indeed but we'll outbonk mr.Zoh eventually
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u/Cheekyteekyv2 20h ago
Made me real happy to be playing offensive guard HBG for sure. What. Terrifying monster
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u/Whats_a_wincondition 21h ago
This is definitely one of the most fun fights so far. In the first attempt, three people joined, and quest failed at about the 10 minute mark due to one person carting over and over. The second attempt was just me and the NPC hunters, so it took 30 minutes, but way safer than random players that aren't being careful.
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u/TheRealRatPrince 1d ago
Been seeing lots of posts of how challenging this fight is, excited to get to it later tonight!
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u/Puzzleheaded_Farm122 22h ago
Armor skills are pretty good too. You can make an easy immortal build with this set.
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u/uncreative14yearold 15h ago
Weapons are also decent enough. Artian is technically better but the Zoh Shia weapons look gorgeous and their unique skill adds some extra flair.
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u/kanerex 7h ago
With the right set-up they are better than artian for a couple weapons that can trigger the skill a lot.
Currently running a build with the new bow that has 4 pc scorcher, level 3 convert element, max flayer, corrupted mantle, and Blast functionality gem for Blast procs.
It's not meta, but seeing the extra damage procs ignore hitzones and resistances you can be way suboptimal with where you hit monsters, and you get so many extra damage procs you have numbers everywhere.
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u/gargwasome I like ‘em big and slow 13h ago
Not too hard imo but it’s a more Iceborne-level challenge so compared to the rest of Wilds it’s quite a bit more difficult haha. Like I actually had to watch out after eating a big attack so it wouldn’t kill me with a follow-up, feels nice to actually have to use my brain a bit again
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u/TheFakeJoel732 11h ago
It doesn't feel like a giant leap in difficulty unfortunately, it just feels like another monster. If you just attack it's back legs or tail it can't really do anything to you :/
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u/Actual-Investment-55 6h ago
This. I triple carted on Gunlance (my main), so I swapped to SnS and just stayed on his tail the whole time, and bro didn't hit me once for several minutes at a time. 29 min completion, but, hey, why not?
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u/KuniedaSaki 23h ago
The fight is longer than most and I like that he forces you to use everything in your arsenal.
I rarely use seikret but he reminds me that I can use it midfight.
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u/SoupRyze 16h ago
I beat him while being on my seikret 99% of the time lol https://youtu.be/eraaj71ywoI?si=hvK2GDFE-aLK9cYL
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u/SignatureTerrible108 1h ago
Exactly. First try with solo hammer no palico. I got 19'52. Not even running mega demon or armor or meta build. He isn't that bad. These people saying it's crazy and triple carting etc remind me of bots lol
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u/paimonemer 19h ago
Against all odds, my lance stood tall (fully carted every time for three missions before i won)
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u/spreeforall 14h ago
I failed twice so far with the lance. I gotta stop over relying on blocking lol.
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u/PaxSicarius 11h ago
That's the whole point of lance though, that's THE selling point of the weapon. And now they're adding in attacks that can't be mitigated by power guard, which supposedly guards from all directions.
It's a lazy way of designing a harder monster, because it fucks over an already unpopular weapon.
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u/spreeforall 11h ago
I might be timing the attacks wrong. Who knows. But I was definitely getting blown the fuck up lol.
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u/digitaltransmutation 11h ago edited 11h ago
The wylk attacks and his charge can be blocked but the red fire attacks need to be dodged. Also, the crystals detonating can't be blocked so it's good to stinger them if there are a bunch.
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u/spreeforall 10h ago
Yeah the fire attack was the one crushing me for sure.
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u/salty4lyfe 10h ago
You should be able to guard all attacks except his ultimate fire attack if you have the guard up skill with minimal damage.
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u/GunDA9D2 3h ago
Even with Guard Up? The crystals i mean
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u/digitaltransmutation 2h ago
I always forget about that ability since it's so situational. I put it on this afternoon after reading some other comments and it really cheeses the fight. You can block everything except the major mechanic. Also, some of the attack chains in the final phase are too long to block if you don't have full stamina at the start of them.
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u/GunDA9D2 1h ago
Ah it's just an old habit of mine from back in World to put max guard+guard up and it stuck, makes tanking hits very comfy and i get to counter faster. I thought it was a weird outlier if the crystal's explosions went through guard up. Didn't really pay attention to them myself when i fought him so i wasnt quite sure.
But yeah i didn't bother tanking his flames even with those skills since chip damages makes me anxious lol. It's only when i wanna hit a PG to get my pizza cutter going.
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u/Uhhhhhhhhhhhuhhh 22h ago
The difficulty felt similar to something like Raging Brachydios from Iceborne, definitely the hardest fight in the game so far, love it alot, did my first hunt on him solo, took 25 minutes and have never used so many potions in this game before
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u/NK1337 21h ago
Same. What kept getting me was that targeted fireball where it stands back on its hind feet and just blasts three fireballs in your direction. I got distracted trying to dog the fireball and didn’t notice the lighting right in front of me.
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u/Background_Honey4629 17h ago
I was getting ptsd from fatalis because the animations are about the same but the attacks are weak as hell compared to it.
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u/StanleyChuckles Insect Glaive is best glaive. 19h ago
Same here, I used all my potions, had to go back to camp for more, but I managed it without any faints.
I found running full Arkveld for the extra heal on attack, and perfect guarding as much as possible really helped.
He has a moment of weakness where a wound opportunity opens on his mouth after three fireballs. That's a real winner.
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u/Amphi-XYZ 18h ago
My first hunt was a quadruple cart, never happened to me in this game lol. Second hunt took 15 minutes and one cart, so not as bad. Third hunt somehow took me 20 minutes with no cart but I was out of mega potions 10 minutes in
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u/XsStreamMonsterX 16h ago
the hardest fight in the game so far
Wait until you get to Tempered Mizutsune.
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u/RobyX450 13h ago
How hard could a tempered mizutsune be? First fight for me was a walk in the park, took like 5 minutes if i remove all the walking you do in the quest. Granted i am pretty high HR
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u/ArmyofThalia 13h ago
Tempered Mizu has hands. That tail attack is no fucking joke
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u/RobyX450 13h ago
That tail attack is what almost got me near the end but other than that i didnt find it that hard to fight. Its attacks feel like a slim uth duna with all the spinning and the tail is pretty well telegraphed
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u/ArmyofThalia 13h ago
Yeah my friends were not ready for it and carted instantly from full whereas I was able to block it to stay alive.
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u/RobyX450 13h ago
Lmfao it be like that 😭 also gotta watch for those bubbles it stacks on you, they increase the damage you take
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u/XsStreamMonsterX 12h ago edited 12h ago
Tempered Mizutsune is an 8-star investigation, same as Tempered Ark and Gore. It basically feels like a Sunbreak fight with how many combos it does, most of which end with the tail slam, which is a one-shot now unless you've fully upgraded your armor. Of course, being Wilds, you no longer have wirebugs and wirefall to escape his bullshit.
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u/Gray32339 3h ago
Dang I definitely found raging brachy to way harder. I first tried Zoh Shia with 2 carts but I failed the Raging Brachy quest so many times I couldn't count lmao
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u/h3xist 21h ago
Lance with Gaurd and Gaurd up will make this fight much easier. You're able to black the long changes and you'll only really take chip damage from HEAVY fire all attacks. You'll take about 30ish mins the first time and once you get his lance maxed out and learn his fight you'll get it to 20 solo with non meta sets.
Edit: extra advice. Save the 2 rocks for third phase to drop on his head. The horns and tail can't break until phase 3 and they do about 2700 damage.
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u/ArmyofThalia 13h ago
I wasn't having much success with Lance but I'm also a newly made Lance user which didn't help but I felt I was blocking more consistently than with my tried and true charge blade
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u/h3xist 8h ago
It takes some time to get the hang of it. You'll learn when you have time to do the triple poke vs the heavy thrust, how far away you need to be when he does his fire breath, and when you need to run for your life.
Some advice: until you can make one of his weapons see if you can make a dragon Artian lance (attack and sharpness bonuses) and slap guard and Guard up on it, use the Aekveld Beta set for good fire resistance and healing after repeated attacks and the slots to put in things like peak performance, and if Zho Shia is doing any attack with fire or wylk do NOT counter guard it just block it. The attacks will hit multiple times and the explosion will hit HARD. Same when he's doing the slams just face tank it, you can punish it when it's over and sometimes the face or big hands will have weak spots that you can bash.
Don't try and be fancy. Is he about to do a long attack chain like and phase 3? Just stand there, face him, and hold block like your life depends on it. The longest chain I had to block was roar, lighting, fireball, fireball, fireball, big fireball, crystal explosion, big fireball, big fireball, lighting, side lightning. So manage your stamina.
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u/ArmyofThalia 2h ago
Godbless you beautiful bastard. Took your advice and just took it slow and focused more on blocking things than getting fancy. Only 1 death but my Palico had my back. Thanks a ton
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u/isaac99999999 ​ 12h ago
Just took I'm standard gunlance and face tanked the whole fight lmao. The lightning does no damage through the shield, but it almost one shot me when I didn't block it
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u/Hoshiko-Yoshida Divine ☆ God of Ruin 17h ago
Hardest part of Zoh Shia is finding lootable slinger ammo amongst all of the visual clutter.
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u/Only-Explanation-295 14h ago
Did you know you can get them from the list?
Aim - press down - interact.
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u/Hoshiko-Yoshida Divine ☆ God of Ruin 14h ago
Yes, same as gathering.
But you have to be close enough for it to register on the list, and the arena is bigger than the size of the area that registers.
Hence running around trying to see something ages away so you can get close enough for the list to propagate.
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u/Only-Explanation-295 14h ago
Yeah, that's rather annoying.
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u/Hoshiko-Yoshida Divine ☆ God of Ruin 14h ago
You think they'd just extend the space the list draws from for this hunt.
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u/StretchyPlays 18h ago
I carted twice, technically three times but the first was the Palico revive so didn't count. I did kill it my first HR attempt but it was close. Very fun fight. Tempered Mizu also kicked my ass, actually failed my first attempt.
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u/ArmyofThalia 13h ago
I'm about 0-7 I think atm. This fucker is keeping the honey business booming with how many potions im making. I cant wait to finally get to phase 3 and get popped like a zit shop i have to do it all over again.
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u/spreeforall 14h ago
I won't lie, I read all the posts while at work and was thinking I'd stunt on the monster when I got home. Whelp.. first quest I failed in Wilds lol. And I failed twice. Though I got it to the third phase the second time.
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u/Froent 18h ago
I went at it alone. Then some random joined from the online lobby. So, I quickly just put my PS5 into rest mode, then booted it back up so I would be put into offline play.
I was beating him the first time by myself!
Long fight, something like half an hour, maybe a bit more. It was fun. Glad I prepped my items for the fight. Without the Sushi fish scales for quick healing I might've carted a couple times. In the end, I won and was rewarded with a Gem carve.
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u/Fatality_Ensues 17h ago edited 15h ago
First monster to 3-cart me in Wilds, and I went in prepared. I appreciate the challenge but I wish I'd carted because I actually fucked up and not because once you go down he keeps hitting you until you stay down.
edit: someone brought up the Seikret and I guess that's a good idea imma finally have a reason to try that
double edit: finally beat this motherfucker after he triple carted me AGAIN. Hard fight for sure, especially on phase 3 when he starts dropping lightning bolts and Arkvulcan has like -10 Thunder Res.
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u/Skeletonparty101 1d ago
Challenging?
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u/sweetperdition 1d ago
yeah dude it’s rough, but in a good way. doesn’t feel super cheesy, but ignore mechanics and get overconfident and it will absolutely cart you.
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u/throw-away_867-5309 1d ago
So many people don't understand the mechanics and it's frustrating. I had someone over voice ask me why I wasn't attacking as I'm trying to shoot the giant crystals and then he carts to them and we fail.
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u/miauguau23 23h ago
Wait what crystals, I just soloed it and didn't notice anything.
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u/throw-away_867-5309 23h ago
Did you solo it in LR? Because if you solo'd in HR you definitely saw the crystals.
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u/miauguau23 23h ago
High rank, I'm not entirely sure if I saw them or not, do you mean the ones that pop up when he "ults"? I just ran away as far as possible in my seikrat and it didn't hit me lol.
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u/throw-away_867-5309 23h ago
Almost every elemental attack he does can use the crystals, both big and small, to enhance their range. He can do an attack that is almost identical to the "Ult" except in the center of the arena, which means there is no area that's safe except behind him. If you're in front of him, like the guy I mentioned was, you will cart unless you'd destroy the crystals with elements ammo from your slinger (or maybe even one of the ranged weapons, but I don't use elemental ranged). Destroying them this way makes them YOUR crystals and actually does a ton of damage to the boss, anywhere from 190-220 damage per small crystal near Zo Shia, I'm not sure how much the big ones do, tho.
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u/miauguau23 23h ago
Interesting mechanic would never figure it out since there's nothing like it in the game lol, thanks.
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u/ChaosEsper 22h ago edited 20h ago
Your hunter has a voiceline saying that you need to pop the crystals, plus Alma will tell you that's a good idea if you cart.
It's also basically just an amped up version of what all the guardian monsters can do. At some point during the main storyline they also tell you how explosive wylk crystals are and imply it'd be a good idea to blast the small ones the guardian monsters create. They can also use them to amplify their elemental attacks, though on a much smaller scale and with less precision than ZS does.
Edit: Also, if you check the handbook for any guardian they all mention that guardian monsters use wylk crystals to amplify elemental energy and that a clever hunter can turn that to their advantage by using slinger pods.
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u/NK1337 21h ago
I wonder if people just aren’t paying attention or if they’re outright lying for internet clout because the number of people I’ve seen claiming that either the game doesn’t mention anything or that they didn’t see any Crystal phase at all is far too common
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u/miauguau23 20h ago
I play with Japanese voicelines, if I'm focused in the fight I can miss come callouts.
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u/throw-away_867-5309 23h ago
No problem, I figured it out because Alma said something about the crystals after I carted to them, so I shot them with the wyvern slinger ammo and they exploded. A lot of the time, they'll cause chain reactions, so you'll get an extra 500-1k damage from a single slinger shot.
If you shoot the big crystals during the giant attacks, the range on his attacks is extremely short and you can get in faster to smack his ass after he does his attacks.
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u/NoxAeternal Duremudira's frozen wastelands 22h ago
Every guardian does it. Most people didn't seem to notice it. I only did cause I had a mod on for the whole game which doubled monster hp and damage. When the low rank arkveld has multiple attacks which one shot you and even its weakest does over 50% hp, you start to learn mechanics like that very quickly
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u/According-Use-568 22h ago
I can't say for certain that all guardians do this, i honestrly don't remember lol, but g odogaron creates the wylk structures and they explode with dragon energy when he spits at them, you can also destroy them with element and they explode, the same but on a smaller scale
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u/NK1337 20h ago
Basically he fills the stage with crystals that will also explode when he does the massive aoe, extending its range. The issue is that a lot of them tend to cluster together so it amplifies the power of the explosion and can easily one shot you if you get caught in the middle. You can use slinger ammo to shoot them and trigger their explosion early to clear a path.
That said you don’t necessarily have to get rid of them, if you run out far enough you can usually get to a place where they haven’t clustered and dodge the explosion.
Another cool thing is that you can also get them to explode underneath Zoh Shia and it’ll damage him in turn.
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u/Jaja3333 22h ago
Yeah I like the mechanics a lot and enjoyed it, it did have like one move where it breathes fire straight down that felt a bit bs sometimes because it seemed just to quick to avoid ever unless your weapon could block
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u/AzuriSkill 21h ago
The mechanic is walking back from an attack with a 10 seconds wind up?
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u/sweetperdition 10h ago
crystal management! if you know how to use them, tons of knockdowns + no nova deaths, reduces the deadly attacks to the standing fatalis fireball + downward fire breath. haven’t seen people die from much else, maybe GL/lance trapped in block animations for the big double arm slam + AoE, without guard-up to mitigate.
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u/AzuriSkill 10h ago
That's not what you said. You can just walk away from nova, you don't need crystal shenanigans to survive. So again, what is the mechanic that when ignored gonna make you cart?
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u/sweetperdition 9h ago
that is what i said? are you hung up on the minutiae of me saying “absolutely”? forgive the emphatic phrasing, replace that with “much more likely” then.
his attacks have interactions with the crystals that make them deadlier. downward fire breath hitting a crystal increases the range. downward double fallen arm slam into rolling fireballs, fireballs bounce again if they hit the crystals, creating additional fireblight AoE’s. the nova range boost is what ends whatever SoS im joining 7/10 times. i bust crystals, increases the chances no one dies, whether they know to run to the edge or not.
all im saying is that crystal management will significantly make the fight easier. i don’t know why you’re trying to catch me in some “gotcha!”.
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u/Ecstatic-Lemon5000 19h ago
Probably challenging if you play multiplayer. Once I saw the crystal breaking gimmick I realised you'll lose all your carts playing with stupid monkeys.
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u/CycloneJetArmstronk 4h ago
its fun and it actually has a decent healthbar. but not particularly challenging.
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u/BigTroubleMan80 17h ago
Not gonna lie…I didn’t find Zoh all that difficult.
Intense, yes. But then again, I cut my teeth on farming Risen Shaggy, so…
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u/linkexer 23h ago
It’s not. People are so used to just roll/attack spamming that as soon as the game asks them not to for one second, then suddenly Wilds is “actually really hard now guys!!!1!1!!”
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u/PowerUser77 21h ago
Is there some tempered variant I am missing but the fight seems not that overly hard, at least with some support?
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u/zertul 13h ago
No, but the skill and experience range in this sub is pretty big, leading to this different impressions of the fight. It also depends a bit on the weapon, some have it easier because dodging stuff comes more natural for them from their position, others have to figure out how to time their stuff.
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u/AlastorsPlaything 19h ago
There is no tempered variant at least for now. Personally I don't find it hard at all but i'm an older player dating back from the psp days. My guess is there's so many newer players now that havnt had the time to adjust, so its up to us to help them get better.
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u/JackPlissken8 21h ago
I still got my ass handed to me much more often in Worlds than Wilds. ZS still hasn't carted me once between 2 hunts, one solo and one with a friend. He's got hands, dying get me wrong, but I think the added mobility of DB has been phenomenal
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u/neverwhere86 17h ago
Loved this fight. Me and the random who joined me on my first carted once each but came away winners. Having the mobility of SnS def saved my ass
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u/Gloomy_Ad5221 14h ago
MY first hunt was getting 3 carted but on my 2nd hunt it was more comfortable and memorized his attacks much better I won't fall for that fatalis ground fire breathe again.
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u/thegoldchicken 13h ago
I barely scraped by without a triple cart. I was fine until the third phase where I kept falling for the sweeping lightning blast. Such a cool fight with crazy LORE BABY WOOO
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u/GrumpleDumpkin 12h ago
The 4th and final time my squad wiped when he was in his last phase with the skull showing... he dies tonight.
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u/gaoGaosaurus_true 12h ago
Question: do elder dragons still have that mechanic where they retain their hp bar after you fail the mission? Because the first time fighting him it was a bitch, but when I went in for round 2, it felt so much faster. Or maybe it’s because I know it’s move set now
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u/K1dKlutc4 11h ago
Yea that just happened to me to lol even had a rando join after I, like the dumbass noob I am, already carted twice. I’m sorry to whoever you were
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u/Droid0008 11h ago
Yeav is fight is amazing, there is so much stuff to watch out for, especially in his last phase.
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u/vasjames 11h ago
I felt like I was in Naruto. You can do multiple elements? Fawk lol
Think this took me like 40 min and only narrowly avoided the forfeit for faints.
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u/GnarlyKinbaku 10h ago
Use the thunder or dragon pods that drop to blow up the crystals in his face. Makes the fight (still long, but) very easy
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u/GnarlyKinbaku 10h ago
Let me clarify: blow up the crystals it drops after doing white aura attacks
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u/LivinInLimelight 10h ago
Bruh I wanted to fight it by myself first, and I sho did get wombo comboed. Still a fun fight til you learn you can’t redo the quest 10 times in a row.
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u/Emo97971 9h ago
I first tried him but I used everything to In my pouch and carted once. It felt refreshing to fight cause I couldn’t offset him a lot or even perfect block with GS. I would love more of this
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u/Dragon-X8 8h ago
I got my ass handed to me the first time but then when I realized you can blow up the crystals and deal a shitload of damage it became trivial lol
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u/Kazotel 8h ago
Out of curiosity, how long did it take you guys to beat it? It took me 22 minutes solo with Lance equipped with my tank build (600 Def, divine protection, recovery up, defense boost, gaurd and gaurd up all maxed out with arkveld's hunger- honestly the only reason I didn't cart I think lmao). It was definitely my longest fight, and while I know my Lance skills aren't particularly the best, I still feel like 22 minutes was longer than it could have been, considering how aggressively I was stabbing its face. Just curious how I stack up with other hunters
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u/Wide-Environment3971 7h ago
Love this fight idk if I get carried but it’s harder to join an SOS instead of fighting it. As my first mh game this is amazing can’t wait for dlc
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u/Little-Evangelyne 7h ago
Gosh I love this fight, I never realized so many details in low rank, because you fight it only once, that you can shot the big crystals with slinger ammo and they explode and he takes damage because of that was insanely cool. Can't wait to see what else we get in the future~ I absolutely enjoy this game
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u/Larannas 6h ago
I beat it on the first go, then failed like 20 times due to teammates carting. It was frustrating but understandable, and it is by far one of my favorite monsters to fight now. It does a good job of keeping you on your toes!
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u/ImperatorConstantine 5h ago
I honestly found Arkveld to be way more difficult. When I beat this beauty of a specimen I was left a little disappointed. Not even one cart. But this was all in the story mode of the game, so low rank. I have yet to fight them in high rank.
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u/Fat_Ass113 5h ago
I use longsword and I've yet to fight him without carting. I haven't quite failed yet, tempered Gore is still the only monster to make me fully fail a quest, but Zoh Shia is definitely harder, I'm just still not used to Gore's attack patterns, and only just learned yesterday that he has a pin attack.
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u/l1g3rz3r0 1h ago
Gore was the first time I failed a quest. And I did only me and the old guy. Someone joined my 2nd attempt as I was close to slaying the Blangonga. I'm not counting that 1 time when I join a SOS and then the quest failed because the final cart happened as I was en route to fight lol.
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u/justhereforvg 4h ago
Sooooo actually didn't do bad until people jumped in. One carted pretty quick but they had insurance so it didn't count. Pretty fun fight, about 25 minutes.
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u/MulishaMember 4h ago
My group fought him 4 times last night and carted in the last phase each time. Took a break to beat the shit out of a Mizutsune, then decided to give Zoh “one more shot” before bed and beat him. After breezing through launch content we were definitely not playing our best.
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u/SignatureTerrible108 2h ago
You guys saying it's hard and not enough to have evade distance etc must be spamming buttons. Legit was almost identical from low rank. Solo hammer no palico first try was 19'52.
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u/l1g3rz3r0 1h ago
It is hard but you have to be wary. Know your skills. Find ways to move faster or drink/eat faster using skills. Use life powders etc. I carted twice as I was away or trying to get away to heal. Still won first attempt. 3 others joined my SOS though.
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u/GoonerSan7 1h ago
I’ve only beaten it 3 times… out of idk how many fucking attempts, the 3rd phase is brutal😭😭😭
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u/Death_Dragon975 10h ago
Is he really that hard for people? He was easy for me, took me my second try because I forgot I was using a weak defence set.
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u/AnonymousDudd2 1d ago
Those chained attacks in the third phase man..